Treo
Bullet Proof
I'm the one that would bail to avoid interacting with the cops not Warbirds
And FWIW I less less than a damn who does or doesn't care for my sense of social responibility
Waffle House Shooting (Good Guy Wins)
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I'm the one that would bail to avoid interacting with the cops not Warbirds
And FWIW I less less than a damn who does or doesn't care for my sense of social responibility
You're right, of course. And that NEVER happens to cops.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
As to the bold part, whether intentionally or not, you're leaving out a lot of pertinent information. The BGs had begun getting patrons on the floor and employees in the back somewhere. That is a clear escalation of the threat to life that the CC'er had to consider. However....
I have a real problem with the disclosure in the above-cited article of the CC'er intentionally firing a shot during a struggle, apparently not trying to stop the threat by firing at him, but, as reported, in an effort to scare the guy with the noise from the shot. That is indeed an idiotic move. Doesn't necessarily make the CC'er an idiot, but it sure does demonstrate at least a temporary severe lapse in judgment.
Perhaps we will hear an account from the CC'er that explains the struggle with the guy trying to run away in a way most of us would find acceptable, but as it is reported in the above article, he gets points taken away by me for that part of the event. I was thinking maybe A-/B+ before, now I'm gonna go with C-/D+ until I hear an acceptable rationale for that one discharge.
Blues
Totally irrelevant....and a poor attempt at deflection.
I think you're to generous there. I give him an F. You either shoot him or let him flee. If you pull a gun you have to use it. You can't grapple when holding a gun and then discharge a round.
Ummm...you're the one who said he was, and I quote: "trying to do the job of the police". I'm saying he probably did just as good a job as your average cop. Just exactly whose side should I be on, here? The BGs who had people herded into the back (know what that sometimes means?), and lying prone on the floor? Uh, no, don't think so. Only mistake the kid made, IMO, was not immediately shooting the guy who went for the gun.
SGB
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Look Rich_S don't pretend to speak for me. I faced my first punk with a gun when I was 17, the latest was in 1991 and he didn't fare as well as the first.
South Carolina (like most of the rest of the States) isn't the liberal
WHAT??!!! Where the hell did you dig up this "rule"?
I'm not on the BG's side but I think this kid acted recklessly. He tried to detain someone who had a gun and then only shot him after he got muzzle swept. He tried to detain an unarmed man while armed, grappled with him, and had a ND. Not good...
So you advocate pulling your gun during an armed robbery and grappling with the BG instead of using the gun?
SGB
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Look Rich_S don't pretend to speak for me. I faced my first punk with a gun when I was 17, the latest was in 1991 and he didn't fare as well as the first.
South Carolina (like most of the rest of the States) isn't the liberalhole like the one you've chosen to live in and the laws and the people reflect their values not yours. While it may be total fail for the far left socialist NE it'sfor real red blooded Americans. Even if you don't like it.
So you see someone grappling with a BG and having a ND in the process as a win rather than a fail. How sad for you. I also hope people enjoy reading the lies about your exploits as much as you enjoy writing them.
Read my prior post, carefully this time.
SGB
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Like a true Massachusetts liberal you make stuff up and claim yourself a win, bravo for you young man.
No need for that....
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Hmm....Was I being too generous when I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you might not intentionally be leaving out pertinent information about the CC'ers motives? I notice you failed to acknowledge the fact that you did that. Point being, everything in such situations cannot be viewed through only a black & white prism. You are not necessarily a liar or an intentional purveyor of an intellectually dishonest critique of the events being discussed just because you left out important circumstances that contributed to the CC'er deciding to pull his weapon in the first place. Perhaps you just had a gut reaction to the latest article and report of the discharge during the struggle, and you genuinely forgot that more than just those new facts were part of CC'ers decision-making process. Only you can answer that, so it's not necessary to make an issue of it.
You gave him an F before the new information about the struggle and discharge emerged. That's meaningless to this part of the discussion.
Shoot him or let him flee......I didn't see any quote marks around the account of the discharge report coming from the CC'er himself. I believe there's a chance that the shot may well have been an attempt to shoot the perp. If so, that would put his hit-rate at 66%, well above the average cited many times around here for cops involved in shootings. Independent of that high percentage hit-rate though, I'm willing to wait to hear from him before drawing any firm conclusions, which is why I graded him based on the story "as reported."
Ummm......He did.
I agree with this rule wholeheartedly in principle. Until the specifics of the actual situation are commented upon by the CC'er and/or any witnesses who saw that part of the event, I'll stick with saying that it was an idiotic move if it happened as reported. Trusting media concerning anything having to do with the use of guns is definitely not one of my guilty pleasures.
Blues
SGB
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Everything you posted. And I'm not a bad ass, I'm just not Massachusetts yellow.
SGB
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rrman12280
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And the comedy continues....LOL.:haha:
