Waffle House Shooting (Good Guy Wins)

[Warbirds]

In response to what rich_s said. I will bet that there are more unarmed bystanders that would try to stop the robber and protect others than there are gun carrying citizens that would run out the back door.

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[Rich_S]

Rich_S you should change your name to Dumb__S

It is bed wetting cowards like you that have helped turn this once great country into a third world cesspool where thugs and punks rule over law abiding citizens.
Thank God there are still some of us who still have backbones and are willing to do what is right.
I live about a mile from this Waffle House and go there regularly. I wish I had been there that night. Maybe the second thug would have met the same fate!! Now he will tie up the court system for the next couple of years and then taxpayers will support the punk for the next 20 or so years unless of course YOU are the judge who turns this piece of trash back out on the streets to try it again. Maybe you will be in the next restaurant he tries to rob.

Only a complete moron....IE: you....would ever wish to be in a situation like this. It's tough guy wannabe's like you that give the anti's more rhetoric to go on to try to take the rights away from responsible gun owners.

 

[Rich_S]

If a criminal puts himself in this position, then he should be prepared to meet resistance from the people he is threatening. Maybe he was just robbing the place, or maybe he was planning on shooting a few people on the way out the door with the money. Who knows? Why take the chance and wait until he actually fires his gun before stepping in? By then, it's too late.

By brandishing a gun your actions could cause a firefight that might not have taken place if you didn't brandish. Why take the chance?

 

[Rich_S]

The video said there were 10 in the store.... There was actually 11, one of the customers ran out the back, right Rich_s? :sarcastic:

That would be a smart move. Why risk getting killed in an armed robbery scenario if you could escape?

 

[Rich_S]

The dead slimeball had a gun and was threatening law abiding citizens. I don't know of any state that forbids you from defending yourself or others. Everyone has to decide for themselves as to whether they are willing to defend others or not. I would hope I would.

Actually, I think the best course of action (without considering the myriad of circumstances that we don't know about from this brief description of the situation) would be to simply shoot any and all of the armed robbers.

LMMFAO at "simply"

Yeah- real simple

 

[NavyLCDR]

That would be a smart move. Why risk getting killed in an armed robbery scenario if you could escape?

Some people's personal morals won't let them do that, when there is a good chance they can change the outcome of the robbery for the better.

The job of the police is to enforce the law. If they arrive and a crime is in progress enforcing the law would involve stopping the crime and arresting the perps.

Key words highlighted. I'm not willing to bet my life on "if they arrive".

 

[walt629]

It's as simple as this google (your state) laws on lethal force keep your ass covered of corse most of it is up to you weather or not the situation is in need of you to draw to protect the third person for instance I would only draw if the victim freezes due to the gun or knife being waved in their face at that time I feel the perp may try to hurt the victim due to them being frozen in fear because let's face it that person is in fear for there life and may have PTS due to the robbery I know my brother suffered from PTS after his work was robbed lucky he remained calm in the situation and told the BG who was holding him at knife point against the register he needed to let him move so he could open the drawer of corse the store figured oh we are in a little town we dont need to record but it turn out this little town was the meth lab capital of the state till our state boys cracked down on the disgusting scum bags manufacturing that **** and now there are only a few people here who are addicted to the drug and everybody who has half a brain knows meth users will do anything to get their drugs sorry that's just me ranting about these scum bags but my other brother had been in the back room if he had his ccw Some of you are trying to say he shouldn't intervene I know well that's different they are family everyone has family's even scum bag criminals as does the victim who's life may have been saved who's to say something couldn't have made the perp jump and pull the trigger taking the victims life in this case I would have to do the same and some may argue well that person will still have PTS but it's better than knowing the guy got away most do due to wear masks and premeditation of the crime

Good Lord son! PUNCTUATION and paragraph breaks. Help us out here!

 

[Rich_S]

The SC Castle Doctrine Law refers to immunity if the incident happens within the home (dwelling), vehicle, or place of business.It states in part:"The General Assembly finds that it is proper for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves, their families, and others from intruders and attackers without fear of prosecution or civil action for acting in defense of themselves and others".

However I found this under the "Protection of Persons and Property Act":"A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in another place where he has a right to be, including, but not limited to, his place of business, has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he reasonably believes it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or another person or to prevent the commission of a violent crime as defined in Section 16-1-60".

Wouldn't this law protect him from prosecution or civil action since he is in a place he has the right to be?

You can read the whole thing here: 2005-2006 Bill 4301: Protection of Persons and Property Act - South Carolina Legislature Online

That doesn't preclude a lawsuit unless the law specifically says it does.

 

[Rich_S]

I will try to remember your opinions. See a drunk driver, don't report it. See someone bleeding, step over their body. Hear someone yelling fire, go other direction. Hear a woman yelling rape, not my issue. Thief pulls a gun, use women and children a cover as I sprint out the back door. Got it, but no thanks.

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Please post links to the posts where I've said all that.

Thanks

 

[SGB]

By brandishing a gun your actions could cause a firefight that might not have taken place if you didn't brandish. Why take the chance?

There's that improper use of that "brandishing" word again.

The only one responsible would be the scumbag robbing the place, I can see why it'd be hard to comprehend that you should blaim the criminal rather than the victim with your liberal Massachusetts brainwashing.

 

[Rich_S]

Seriously? I posted this:



You posted this in response:



So, exactly where did I say you were wrong in the post you were referring to? I simply stated that I figured you would post your "give them what they want" theory as you have done in the past. The bold part above, you inserted on your own. Thank you for playing, please come again when you can't stay so long.

I said I was waiting for you to say something. I never said you did say anything. You do understand what "I was waiting" means- right? The fact that you don't want me to stay makes it that much more enjoyable. Thanks for that.

 

[Rich_S]

In response to what rich_s said. I will bet that there are more unarmed bystanders that would try to stop the robber and protect others than there are gun carrying citizens that would run out the back door.

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You'll never know....will you?

 

[Rich_S]

Some people's personal morals won't let them do that, when there is a good chance they can change the outcome of the robbery for the better.



Key words highlighted. I'm not willing to bet my life on "if they arrive".

So the people who have not taken the trouble to get a CCW are immoral because they're not prepared to defend other people? I'm not willing to risk my life unless I have to.

 

[Rich_S]

There's that improper use of that "brandishing" word again.

The only one responsible would be the scumbag robbing the place, I can see why it'd be hard to comprehend that you should blaim the criminal rather than the victim with your liberal Massachusetts brainwashing.

Did you read the second article? The dead POS's daddy's already saying he was such a good boy and had never done wrong before or some hogwash to that effect. That CCW holder has legal action coming his way.....

 

[Warbirds]

You'll never know....will you?

It's true, googling armed coward runs out back door, only brings up your comments.

Googling unarmed bystander stops thief is a while other story.

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[rrman12280]

If a criminal puts himself in this position, then he should be prepared to meet resistance from the people he is threatening. Maybe he was just robbing the place, or maybe he was planning on shooting a few people on the way out the door with the money. Who knows? Why take the chance and wait until he actually fires his gun before stepping in? By then, it's too late.

By brandishing a gun your actions could cause a firefight that might not have taken place if you didn't brandish. Why take the chance?

Maybe I should wait until he shoots a few people before I "brandish" my pistol. If he doesn't get the jump on me first. Come on,.......REALLY.

The criminal has already brandished his gun.

 

[Rich_S]

It's true, googling armed coward runs out back door, only brings up your comments.

Googling unarmed bystander stops thief is a while other story.

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ROFLMMFAO- I'm truly crushed by the fact that you think that someone who would exercise common sense and try to stay alive would be a coward. The world is truly a better place due to bad ass tough guys like yourself. Congrats for being you!

 

[Firefighterchen]

Have you ever heard how lawsuits work? The plaintiff's attorney will go after anyone and everyone they possibly can. If you pull a gun and there's any shadow of a doubt that you caused a BG to open fire and he hits a bystander you're going to be named in a lawsuit. Even if your actions were lawful and you can win the suit you legal bill would likely run into five figures. I can live with myself just fine, Thank You very Much....

You forgot about the part when I said, "if someone tries to run away and the bg shoots in that direction, and hits another customer, the one running away is accountable?" What if the person is just scared and collapses and the bad guy shoots in that direction and hits another customer, who is accountable? What if the person has an asthma attack and reaches for their inhaler, prompting the bad guy to shoot and hit another customer? What if you are ordered to the ground, and told not to look up, but you have to assess the situation, and when you look up it prompts the bad guy into shooting your direction, hitting another customer. Are you accountable for assessing the situation?

The criminal is responsible for his actions. You can believe innocent customers are to blame for the criminals actions and base your response from that, I wont. Fair?

You can speculate all you want, with what could happen when a firearm is drawn, and we all can speculate with what could happen when a firearm is not drawn. Would you have rather the title of the article say, "2 dead in waffle house shooting: The cashier and one criminal died when a CCW holder fired upon the robber after the robber shot and killed the cashier."?

The job of the police is to enforce the law. If they arrive and a crime is in progress enforcing the law would involve stopping the crime and arresting the perps.

Navy put it pretty well all ready. If is a big gamble. Also, protecting others is different from enforcing the law. They have no duty to protect anyone, therefore my response of wanting to protect myself and others is not playing police.

 

[Rich_S]

Maybe I should wait until he shoots a few people before I "brandish" my pistol. If he doesn't get the jump on me first. Come on,.......REALLY.

The criminal has already brandished his gun.

Maybe you should wait until he gets the cash and runs because that's why he's there in the first place. Your good intentions won't always turn out to be so good.

 

[rrman12280]

Maybe I should wait until he shoots a few people before I "brandish" my pistol. If he doesn't get the jump on me first. Come on,.......REALLY.

The criminal has already brandished his gun.

Maybe you should wait until he gets the cash and runs because that's why he's there in the first place. Your good intentions won't always turn out to be so good.

Other than the cash, we have no idea what he is there for. It was no longer about the cash when he began pointing his gun and threatening innocent people.