Waffle House Shooting (Good Guy Wins)

[Rich_S]

You forgot about the part when I said, "if someone tries to run away and the bg shoots in that direction, and hits another customer, the one running away is accountable?" What if the person is just scared and collapses and the bad guy shoots in that direction and hits another customer, who is accountable? What if the person has an asthma attack and reaches for their inhaler, prompting the bad guy to shoot and hit another customer? What if you are ordered to the ground, and told not to look up, but you have to assess the situation, and when you look up it prompts the bad guy into shooting your direction, hitting another customer. Are you accountable for assessing the situation?

The criminal is responsible for his actions. You can believe innocent customers are to blame for the criminals actions and base your response from that, I wont. Fair?

You can speculate all you want, with what could happen when a firearm is drawn, and we all can speculate with what could happen when a firearm is not drawn. Would you have rather the title of the article say, "2 dead in waffle house shooting: The cashier and one criminal died when a CCW holder fired upon the robber after the robber shot and killed the cashier."?



Navy put it pretty well all ready. If is a big gamble. Also, protecting others is different from enforcing the law. They have no duty to protect anyone, therefore my response of wanting to protect myself and others is not playing police.

Nobody will ever sue you for running away or collapsing. If you pull a gun,the BG opens fire to shoot at you because you pulled a gun, and hits someone else do you actually think you won't be sued?

If you can quote the post where I say the police have to protect people please do. I answered your question regarding police. If you don't like the answer that's unfortunate because it's the correct one.

 

[Rich_S]

Other than the cash, we have know idea what he is there for. If was no longer about the cash when he began pointing his gun and threatening innocent people.

How many stories do you suppose you can find on google where a BG points the gun, gets the cash, and screws?

 

[rrman12280]

For the grammer/spelling police out there...LOL, I was trying to type on my phone's small keypad. Anyway Rich, the CWP holder done what I think I would have done given the circumstances at that exact time. The consequences of giving the perp the benefit of doubt are simply too great. Some things in life are more important that worrying about a lawsuit.

 

[SGB]

Originally Posted by Warbirds Link Removed The video said there were 10 in the store.... There was actually 11, one of the customers ran out the back, right Rich_s? Link Removed

That would be a smart move. Why risk getting killed in an armed robbery scenario if you could escape?Link Removed........."feets don't fail me now"

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[rifleshooter474]

Here in Oklahoma you would get arrested for this, one cannot defend anyone but self and family. This is a really bad law we have here. and I assure you in my crime infested cow town Tulsa, our Tulsa County District Attorney Tim Harris, would sure as the sun rises prosecute you for doing this.
Before you ask I am stuck here being retired own my small home, and cant afford to move to a more firearm friendly State and City.

 

[Rich_S]

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Apparently all you can muster is an emoticon. This is what happens when there's a lack of intelligence that's needed to actually participate in a discussion. Please do yourself and your students (or lack thereof as the case more than likely is)a favor and get some additional training because it's your job to teach people how to avoid getting killed.

 

[Warbirds]

How many stories do you supoose you can find on google where a BG points the gun, gets the cash, and screws?

A ton, a crap load, too many to bother counting.

Wait..........my google search was gas station murders.......that's what you wanted right?

This conversation is a little confrontational....shouldn't you be running out the back door?

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[localgirl]

All I can say is, I can't see the emoticons anymore, and I need that chicken doing a jig. It's pretty important.

 

[MYGLOCK]

The only assumption that I will make concerning a person who enters a place where I am and is hold a firearm is that he is there to kill people. Statistically, most perps probably take the money and run but what if they are not most perps and decide to smoke check everyone before leaving. By the time you figure out their true intentions it will probably be about the time they aim at you. There is never a good outcome when personal defense is exercised to the lethal extent.

 

[SGB]

Apparently all you can muster is an emoticon. This is what happens when there's a lack of intelligence that's needed to actually participate in a discussion. Please do yourself and your students (or lack thereof as the case more than likely is)a favor and get some additional training because it's your job to teach people how to avoid getting killed.

.............. hit a nerve did I Mr. Chicken? Seems all you teach is the back door dash. Link Removed

 

[rrman12280]

That doesn't preclude a lawsuit unless the law specifically says it does.

Isn't civil action and a lawsuit one and the same?

 

[NavyLCDR]

I said I was waiting for you to say something. I never said you did say anything. You do understand what "I was waiting" means- right? The fact that you don't want me to stay makes it that much more enjoyable. Thanks for that.

You are correct, fine sir, you only said that you were waiting for me to say that you were wrong, which I never did. Sorry to disappoint you.

 

[Treo]

I’m sorry but I find the level of testosterone fueled poutrage in this thread ridiculous.

Let me say this as clearly as I can; if you choose to intervene in an armed robbery and you are injured, disabled or killed, the business you are defending is under no legal or moral obligation to compensate you, your spouse or your heirs, for your medical expenses, your lost income or lost earning potential or your funeral expenses.

I’m not willing to put my family’s financial future in jeopardy to defend 30 bucks in the Waffle House’s cash register.
My gun is a weapon of last resort and I wouldn’t even consider touching it unless I had nothing to lose.

 

[NavyLCDR]

So the people who have not taken the trouble to get a CCW are immoral because they're not prepared to defend other people? I'm not willing to risk my life unless I have to.

Those are your words, buddy not mine. What I wrote was, "Some people's personal morals won't let them do that, when there is a good chance they can change the outcome of the robbery for the better."

Some people's personal morals won't let them drink alcohol. Some people's morals won't them have pre-marital sex. Some people's morals won't let them do work on Sundays. I never said anything about anybody whose personal morals would allow them to do any particular behavior, including run out the back door at the earliest convenience.

You, sir, seriously need to unbunch your panties. I think they are cutting off circulation to your brain.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Here in Oklahoma you would get arrested for this, one cannot defend anyone but self and family. This is a really bad law we have here. and I assure you in my crime infested cow town Tulsa, our Tulsa County District Attorney Tim Harris, would sure as the sun rises prosecute you for doing this.
Before you ask I am stuck here being retired own my small home, and cant afford to move to a more firearm friendly State and City.

Respectfully, rifleshooter474, you might want to read your Oklahoma law.
http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/OK_Statutes/CompleteTitles/os21.rtf

§21‑733. Justifiable homicide by any person.
Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in either of the following cases:
1. When resisting any attempt to murder such person, or to commit any felony upon him, or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person is; or,
2. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant, when there is a reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony, or to do some great personal injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or,
3. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed; or in lawfully suppressing any riot; or in lawfully keeping and preserving the peace.

In this case, the customer's actions would be completely justified under paragraph 3.

 

[WALTER27]

alter ego and citzeb atrest

Walt629 state vs nall 304nall 332.404s under modern common law any person who views a felony being commuted has the duty to arrest the felon.

State vs cook 78 s.c 253'59s.e863 south Carolina has adopted the alter ego rule with respect to the defense of others
A person who intervens on behalf of another will not be allowed the plea if self defense unless such pleas would have been available to the other person

 

[NavyLCDR]

All I can say is, I can't see the emoticons anymore, and I need that chicken doing a jig. It's pretty important.

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[NavyLCDR]

How many stories do you suppose you can find on google where a BG points the gun, gets the cash, and screws?

Hundreds of cars pass by you safely on the highway everyday. Do you wait until you know for certain that an accident is imminent before you fasten your seat belt?

 

[Rich_S]

A ton, a crap load, too many to bother counting.

Wait..........my google search was gas station murders.......that's what you wanted right?

This conversation is a little confrontational....shouldn't you be running out the back door?

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Do yourself a favor and don't quit your day job. Unless, of course, your day job is stand up comedian.

 

[rrman12280]

I’m sorry but I find the level of testosterone fueled poutrage in this thread ridiculous.

Let me say this as clearly as I can; if you choose to intervene in an armed robbery and you are injured, disabled or killed, the business you are defending is under no legal or moral obligation to compensate you, your spouse or your heirs, for your medical expenses, your lost income or lost earning potential or your funeral expenses.

I’m not willing to put my family’s financial future in jeopardy to defend 30 bucks in the Waffle House’s cash register.
My gun is a weapon of last resort and I wouldn’t even consider touching it unless I had nothing to lose.

I agree with you to a point. I believe with the hostile nature of the perp waving his gun around and making threats, it became more than just the money in the register. But it all comes down to none of us were there, we (including me) are basing our opinions on what we know that has been released by authorities.