LEO encounter in the Mall yesterday afternoon.
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Tucker's Mom
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Nice guy...and oh btw....I was joking in my other post. I was sort of in the mood.
Happy New Year to you and yours....Hope you have a good one this year for the rest of the year. And I mean this.
Treo
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Yes, Texas requires notification. head right up there to concealed carry permit info if you doubt me
The_Outlaw
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agrippakc
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gkeil961:255033 said:
Read and learn from the different posts. Every state's ccw laws are different. FYI- KS is not a duty to inform state and the horror stories of Ohio cops and ccw holders will keep me out of Ohio. I always wanted to see some.of the.cool museums there too. Oh well, thank God for the internet.
Deanimator
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We're working hard to get the notification requirement repealed. And thanks to that drooling imbecile Harless, we've got a decent shot at it.
longslide10
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I thought that was only during traffic stops. Now every time you confront a cop you have to show and tell? You guys need to get that lame ass law changed. Imo, that puts cops on edge to have someone walk up and inform them that they are carrying. Personally if I were a cop I wouldn't want to know
BigSlick
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All the more reason to avoid Ohio until they get their ***** together. Are you required to show a cop your drivers license if your walking through the mall even if you didn't drive there? If a person is required to tell a cop that they have a CCW even though they are not armed is crazy and serves no purpose at all.
Is there another Texas notification law other than this one?
The OP was not asked for identification, therefore, no notification was required by law, but I've been told by some members of this forum that it is the "polite" and "responsible" thing to do because it somehow makes the officer "safer" and they just want to go home to their families at the end of their shift.
The OP was not asked for identification, therefore, no notification was required by law, but I've been told by some members of this forum that it is the "polite" and "responsible" thing to do because it somehow makes the officer "safer" and they just want to go home to their families at the end of their shift.
The_Outlaw
~The Dude Abides~
Great post! Thanks for the info!
If I was the cop in the mall, I would not have expected for the mall patron with the CHL to volunteer his information to me during such a 'casual' encounter. Just my .02 cents.
Well, there a few people who can't seem to resist the urge to flash their permit and tell a stranger about their gun as long as that person is wearing a uniform and a badge.
Munkeyhunter
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I have to say that any encounter with a LEO is risky. I can’t trust them to do the right thing toward me. Whenever I get pulled over the first thing I feel is fear and shouldn’t. Many heroes coming home from war experience PTSD from being traumatized in some way. People aren’t geared to experience crushed bodies, dead children, beat women or any number of tragic situations including fear of loss of their own lives or safety on a daily basis. In my own opinion and with due respect I feel that many, many LEOs suffer from PTSD and PTSD is a form of mental illness. So do NOT talk to them without counsel. They are trained to draw information from you and WILL use it against you. Again no disrespect toward LEOs. I couldn’t do your job.
Deserteagle
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If you get pulled over, feeling fear is exactly what you should feel. Im going to make a generalization here and point out that many, if not most of us, do not experience pleasure or happiness from getting in trouble or being accused of committing crimes, especially if we know we have committed one. Being stopped by law enforcement should not be an enjoyable experience, but that is not to say it cant be, nor is it to say that it should be a painful experience, but fear is what most people feel whenever they get in trouble.
Lets say your boss accuses you of stealing. Are you going to blame the fear you feel on the bosses "PTSD" you think they have which is causing them to act in a way that makes you fearful because they are not used to having to fire people who support families?
I would have to argue that any encounter with anyone is risky, not just law enforcement.
Deanimator
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I would have to argue that an encounter with most anyone BESIDES a cop isn't nearly as dangerous.
- The slacker pouring coffee at Starbucks doesn't have the power of arrest. That means he can't invent a nonexistent crime and arrest me for it at gunpoint. If he does, I can shoot him.
- The butcher at the local grocery doesn't have ANY authority to forcibly enter my home without my permission. If he does, I can shoot him.
- I don't have to notify the checkout girl at Target that I'm carrying.
- None of the aforementioned persons has 1/100th of the ability of a cop to conceal evidence of his or her own wrongdoing. None of them has any greater presumption of truthfulness than I do.
Munkeyhunter
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Deserteagle; Why should I feel fear? LEOs are supposed to Serve and Protect not instill fear by intimidation. I said I shouldn’t feel fear because I’m a law abiding person not a criminal. I wouldn’t have a permit to carry a weapon if I were. I would probably have a light out or a seat belt dangling from the passenger door. What’s to fear about that? Nothing. So it must be the encounter, that’s orchestrated by the officer, that is causing fear. So it’s To Protect and Rule.
How would I know if my boss suffered from PTSD? I wouldn’t be aware of his life experiences. I am aware of what Police face on a daily basis. It’s on the news every day. Again PTSD is a form of mental illness and can make people unstable.
You must be a LEO or a retired LEO or have a family member that’s a LEO. Your argument was off the wall and negative instead of concern for our law enforcement you chose to defend their behavior. Really too bad.
How would I know if my boss suffered from PTSD? I wouldn’t be aware of his life experiences. I am aware of what Police face on a daily basis. It’s on the news every day. Again PTSD is a form of mental illness and can make people unstable.
You must be a LEO or a retired LEO or have a family member that’s a LEO. Your argument was off the wall and negative instead of concern for our law enforcement you chose to defend their behavior. Really too bad.
Deserteagle
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You are aware of what police face on a daily basis huh? You are making unfounded generalizations. You should probably just say that most cops are going to suffer from boredom than PTSD. Go on a ride along and see what they respond to. You are going to surprised at how most shifts have no encounters with dead bodies, firefights, active shooters, or anything associated with trauma. The few that do encounter these unpleasant situations have known from the day they decided to be a cop that they might have to see those things and they have accepted it. Those who cannot handle it have access to help dealing with it.
If you think feeling fear is not normal when you are getting in trouble, whether you broke a rule, law, or contract, or whatever, I cant help you. The rest of us feel fear when getting in trouble.
I agree. I have no reason to fear police officers and don't.
Deserteagle
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1. The slacker at Starbucks has the power to poison your drink and kill you.
2. The butcher could have a bad day and lose his temper, slicing your head off with a large knife.
3. The Target girl can be stealing your identity and credit card info.
4. You dont have to be a cop to conceal evidence. Look at Casey Anthony, she did a good job hiding evidence.
I stand by my assertion that any encounter with anyone is risky.
Munkeyhunter
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Have your last word but stop detaining me-officer.
