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I wish I could say what I REALLY feel on this one here. I would get kicked off the site and have, for some stupid reason, the government all over my ass. What ever happened to "the people" sticking by the government and the government sticking by "the people"? I should have been born 100 years ago.:angry:
 
And I find this especially poignant, again from Newt (ok. I'm done, now):

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In some ways, it speaks of the goodness of America that we have had such difficulty coming to grips with the challenge of radical Islamists. It is our very commitment to religious liberty that makes us uncomfortable with defining our enemies in a way that appears linked with religious belief.

However, America's commitment to religious liberty has given radical Islamists a potent rhetorical weapon in their pursuit of sharia supremacy. In a deliberately dishonest campaign exploiting our belief in religious liberty, radical Islamists are actively engaged in a public relations campaign to try and browbeat and guilt Americans (and other Western countries) to accept the imposition of sharia in certain communities, no matter how deeply sharia law is in conflict with the protections afforded by the civil law and the democratic values undergirding our constitutional system.

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Gotta love Newt! I would also vote for him in a second!

IMO we need to "get real" about Islam. They are not who they portray themselves to be. It is just a matter of time before it comes to blood (truth is it already has). They are using our rights & freedoms against us to advance their own cause.
If not stopped one day each of us will wake (either literally or figuratively) to a dagger at our throats.
To think less is to be naive.

I just finished a study on Islam. It was a real eye opener & I recommend it to any God fearing patriotic American.

The Dark Side of Islam

+1, Boomer. The politically correct, touchy-feely, don't be insensitive to anyone but Christians and Jews is disgusting and completely unacceptable. Thanks for the heads up on the book...I'm going to check into it.
 
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Gotta love Newt! I would also vote for him in a second!

IMO we need to "get real" about Islam. They are not who they portray themselves to be. It is just a matter of time before it comes to blood (truth is it already has). They are using our rights & freedoms against us to advance their own cause.
If not stopped one day each of us will wake (either literally or figuratively) to a dagger at our throats.
To think less is to be naive.

I just finished a study on Islam. It was a real eye opener & I recommend it to any God fearing patriotic American.

The Dark Side of Islam

+1 Amen...

Peace...
 
Anyone recall the controversy created by the book "The Satanic Versus" by Author Salman Rushdie?

They called for his death. Yea, Freedom embracing and peace loving my a$$...

The Satanic Verses controversy concerns Salman Rushdie's novel The Satanic Verses. In particular it involves the novel's alleged blasphemy or unbelief; the 1989 fatwa issued by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini ordering Muslims to kill Rushdie; and the killings, attempted killings, and bombings that resulted from Muslim anger over the novel.[1]

The controversy was notable for being the first time in modern times a government had publicly called for the killing of a private individual in a foreign country; and the second time that a book, or calls for a book's censorship, caused an international diplomatic crisis.[2]

The issue divided "Muslim from Westerners along the fault line of culture,"[3] pitting the core Western value of freedom of expression– that no one "should be killed, or face a serious threat of being killed, for what they say or write" [4]–against the core belief of many Muslims–that no one should be free to "insult and malign Muslims" by disparaging the "honour of the Prophet" Muhammad.[5]

Muslim anger

In Islamic communities the novel began causing controversy almost at once because of what some Muslims considered blasphemous references. By October 1988 letters and phone calls began to come into Viking Penguin from Muslims angry with the book and demanding it be withdrawn.[8] Before the end of the month the book was banned in India.[8] In November 1988 it was also banned in Bangladesh, Sudan, and South Africa.[8] By December 1988 it was also banned in Sri Lanka.[8] March 1989 saw it banned in Kenya, Thailand, Tanzania, Indonesia, and Singapore.[8] The last nation which banned the book was Venezuela in June 1989.[8]

In the United States, the FBI was notified of 78 threats to bookstores in early March 1989, thought to be a small proportion of the total number. B. Dalton bookstore chain received 30 threats in less than three hours. Bombings of book stores included two in Berkeley California. In New York, the office of the community newspaper The Riverdale Press was all but destroyed by firebombs in retaliation for an editorial defending the right to read the novel and criticizing the bookstores that pulled it from their shelves.[22] But the United Kingdom was the country where violence against bookstores occurred most often and persisted the longest. Two large bookstores in Charing Cross Road, London,(Collets and Dillons) were bombed on April 9. In May, explosions went off in the town of High Wycombe and again in London, on Kings Road. Other bombings include one at a large London department store (Liberty's), in connection with the Penguin Bookshop inside the store, and at the Penguin store in York. Unexploded devices were found at Penguin stores in Guildford, Nottingham, and Peterborough.

The bombings meant that hardly a single bookstore sold Rushdie's novel openly in the UK. In the United States, it was unavailable in about one-third of the bookstores. In many others which carried the book, it was kept under the counter.[23]

Peace...
 
. In the United States, it was unavailable in about one-third of the bookstores. In many others which carried the book, it was kept under the counter.[23]

Chillingly telling....

Is this what we are to become, an "under the counter" society??

Regardless there is a reckoning coming. Modern western society (Judeo-Christian or otherwise) can not peacefully coexist with those of true Islamic faith.
 
Anyone recall the controversy created by the book "The Satanic Versus" by Author Salman Rushdie?

They called for his death. Yea, Freedom embracing and peace loving my a$$...

The Satanic Verses controversy concerns Salman Rushdie's novel The Satanic Verses. In particular it involves the novel's alleged blasphemy or unbelief; the 1989 fatwa issued by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini ordering Muslims to kill Rushdie; and the killings, attempted killings, and bombings that resulted from Muslim anger over the novel.[1]

The controversy was notable for being the first time in modern times a government had publicly called for the killing of a private individual in a foreign country; and the second time that a book, or calls for a book's censorship, caused an international diplomatic crisis.[2]

The issue divided "Muslim from Westerners along the fault line of culture,"[3] pitting the core Western value of freedom of expression– that no one "should be killed, or face a serious threat of being killed, for what they say or write" [4]–against the core belief of many Muslims–that no one should be free to "insult and malign Muslims" by disparaging the "honour of the Prophet" Muhammad.[5]

Muslim anger

In Islamic communities the novel began causing controversy almost at once because of what some Muslims considered blasphemous references. By October 1988 letters and phone calls began to come into Viking Penguin from Muslims angry with the book and demanding it be withdrawn.[8] Before the end of the month the book was banned in India.[8] In November 1988 it was also banned in Bangladesh, Sudan, and South Africa.[8] By December 1988 it was also banned in Sri Lanka.[8] March 1989 saw it banned in Kenya, Thailand, Tanzania, Indonesia, and Singapore.[8] The last nation which banned the book was Venezuela in June 1989.[8]

In the United States, the FBI was notified of 78 threats to bookstores in early March 1989, thought to be a small proportion of the total number. B. Dalton bookstore chain received 30 threats in less than three hours. Bombings of book stores included two in Berkeley California. In New York, the office of the community newspaper The Riverdale Press was all but destroyed by firebombs in retaliation for an editorial defending the right to read the novel and criticizing the bookstores that pulled it from their shelves.[22] But the United Kingdom was the country where violence against bookstores occurred most often and persisted the longest. Two large bookstores in Charing Cross Road, London,(Collets and Dillons) were bombed on April 9. In May, explosions went off in the town of High Wycombe and again in London, on Kings Road. Other bombings include one at a large London department store (Liberty's), in connection with the Penguin Bookshop inside the store, and at the Penguin store in York. Unexploded devices were found at Penguin stores in Guildford, Nottingham, and Peterborough.

The bombings meant that hardly a single bookstore sold Rushdie's novel openly in the UK. In the United States, it was unavailable in about one-third of the bookstores. In many others which carried the book, it was kept under the counter.[23]

Peace...

I DO remember that. Whatever happened to Rushdie? I don't recall hearing anything about the Muslims being successful in their mission to assassinate him. Wonder where he is and if he's well.

It really goes against reason that the Muslims could have such a worldwide influence over the readership of ONE book. No other religion could have gotten away with that! The fact that Islam continues to receive special status around the world is what makes "the religion of peace" (NOT) so dangerous.
 
Failure to communicate

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WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE.
You do not hold an entire group responsible for the actions of a few

Xenophobia is the uncontrollable fear of foreigners. [1] It comes from the Greek words ξένος (xenos), meaning "stranger," "foreigner" and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear." Xenophobia can manifest itself in many ways involving the relations and perceptions of an ingroup towards an outgroup, including a fear of losing identity, suspicion of its activities, aggression, and desire to eliminate its presence to secure a presumed purity.[2] Xenophobia can also be exhibited in the form of an "uncritical exaltation of another culture" in which a culture is ascribed "an unreal, stereotyped and exotic quality".[3]

Xenophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
YouTube - cool hand luke

WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE.
You do not hold an entire group responsible for the actions of a few

Xenophobia is the uncontrollable fear of foreigners. [1] It comes from the Greek words ξένος (xenos), meaning "stranger," "foreigner" and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear." Xenophobia can manifest itself in many ways involving the relations and perceptions of an ingroup towards an outgroup, including a fear of losing identity, suspicion of its activities, aggression, and desire to eliminate its presence to secure a presumed purity.[2] Xenophobia can also be exhibited in the form of an "uncritical exaltation of another culture" in which a culture is ascribed "an unreal, stereotyped and exotic quality".[3]

Xenophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well, then, the "group" should take care of the "few" who are causing the problem. Until they do, they are part of the problem. And please spare me the xenophobia crap. It doesn't apply, to me, anyway.
 
Get some

Well, then, the "group" should take care of the "few" who are causing the problem. Until they do, they are part of the problem. And please spare me the xenophobia crap. It doesn't apply, to me, anyway.

YouTube - Full Metal Jacket- Get Some

Why don't we just take care of the entire group then. The crazy door gunner has the perfect solution.

"Anyone who runs is a creeping sharia."

" Anyone who stands still is a well disciplined creeping sharia."
 
Quoting a dictionary is not an argument. Phobias are also irrational fears, which is why they can be cured. The fear that many, including myself, have, is not irrational and stems from an unspeakable act of terror perpetrated by members of a group that numbers hundred of millions. It is a small amount of those hundreds of millions that committed the act, and a very large number of those people who have refused to condemn it. It is also the peaceloving (?) segment of that group that is trying to impose sharia law in other countries, and in my opinion, here. I do not claim to be an expert on sharia law (I am probably not even spelling it right, so don't go there) but from what I have seen on tv and read about I am not a fan. I consider the United States the greatest country in history and fear muslim law and ways taking over my country.

It is easy to assume everyone who wants to stop the mosque is only doing so because of the actions of a few and therefore we must have some "phobia." There is a much bigger picture here. I wonder how you feel about a group of people who are defiantly still wanting to build a mosqe that they know is causing tremendous pain to millions of Americans?

So when are these Muslims, who say they just want to show they are americans too, going to build a monument to the us constitution? If they want to show they are serious about reaching across a divide to us let them do that.

Lets see, I have a vegan friend whose philosophy I don't understand. Let me reach out to him by making him come to my house and watch me decapitate a chicken and cook it and make him eat it. Right. :sarcastic:
 
Quoting a dictionary is not an argument. Phobias are also irrational fears, which is why they can be cured. The fear that many, including myself, have, is not irrational and stems from an unspeakable act of terror perpetrated by members of a group that numbers hundred of millions. It is a small amount of those hundreds of millions that committed the act, and a very large number of those people who have refused to condemn it. It is also the peaceloving (?) segment of that group that is trying to impose sharia law in other countries, and in my opinion, here. I do not claim to be an expert on sharia law (I am probably not even spelling it right, so don't go there) but from what I have seen on tv and read about I am not a fan. I consider the United States the greatest country in history and fear muslim law and ways taking over my country.

It is easy to assume everyone who wants to stop the mosque is only doing so because of the actions of a few and therefore we must have some "phobia." There is a much bigger picture here. I wonder how you feel about a group of people who are defiantly still wanting to build a mosqe that they know is causing tremendous pain to millions of Americans?

So when are these Muslims, who say they just want to show they are americans too, going to build a monument to the us constitution? If they want to show they are serious about reaching across a divide to us let them do that.

Lets see, I have a vegan friend whose philosophy I don't understand. Let me reach out to him by making him come to my house and watch me decapitate a chicken and cook it and make him eat it. Right. :sarcastic:

DING!!! +1

Peace...
 
Quoting a dictionary is not an argument. Phobias are also irrational fears, which is why they can be cured. The fear that many, including myself, have, is not irrational and stems from an unspeakable act of terror perpetrated by members of a group that numbers hundred of millions. It is a small amount of those hundreds of millions that committed the act, and a very large number of those people who have refused to condemn it. It is also the peaceloving (?) segment of that group that is trying to impose sharia law in other countries, and in my opinion, here. I do not claim to be an expert on sharia law (I am probably not even spelling it right, so don't go there) but from what I have seen on tv and read about I am not a fan. I consider the United States the greatest country in history and fear muslim law and ways taking over my country.

It is easy to assume everyone who wants to stop the mosque is only doing so because of the actions of a few and therefore we must have some "phobia." There is a much bigger picture here. I wonder how you feel about a group of people who are defiantly still wanting to build a mosqe that they know is causing tremendous pain to millions of Americans?

So when are these Muslims, who say they just want to show they are americans too, going to build a monument to the us constitution? If they want to show they are serious about reaching across a divide to us let them do that.

Lets see, I have a vegan friend whose philosophy I don't understand. Let me reach out to him by making him come to my house and watch me decapitate a chicken and cook it and make him eat it. Right. :sarcastic:

+2.
 
1. I am in total agreement about academia. College level instructors, and professors. Some are outstanding. Others, are a waste of good oxygen. The ones that iterated me the most, were the ones that insisted that everyone adopt their personal norms, values, and goals.

1a. The ones I respected the most were the ones that challenged your mind. Just like a personal trainer challenges your body.

Here are the facts.

2. All Muslims, are not terrorists.

3. You can't tell the nice ones from the bad ones just by looking at them.

4. To condemn an entire group of people for the actions of few is just wrong.

5. 911 must be avenged. Those responsible must be held accountable. Those who harbor these terrorists will be held responsible.

6. Our country must not be attacked again.

7. Try to resolve all differences peacefully. Only use force as a last resort. However, meet force with force.

1/1a. Ditto BTDT...

2. true; however would you go to a sold out ball game if 1-10% (depending on sources) in that stadium wanted to kill you... assuming a seating capacity of 5,000= 50-500 people (again depending on sources) had plans on killing you and your grandkids before you could leave the park.... would you go to such a place... now think mosque in NY with the same number of members, statistically they exhist...

3. Really; you need to tell the department of homeland security how to do that so next time I go on a flight I can just zing on through security.... Great sounding trick but I don't really think so, at least not relibly....

5-6 AGREED!!!

7. "All we are saying is give peace a chance" great line for a Beatles song, but in the real world it has been and is being tried by us, our military, our diplomats, and individuals, and it is failing miserably!!!

Think not have a chat with any solder returning home from a tour of Iraq or Agfanstan.... they try and make Friends with the locals, their kids and family, go ask them what happens when they turn their back... Look at the Online videos of the people and not just solders but people that went over there to help, as they have their heads hacked off....

Enough peace it is time to chew gum and kick insurgent ass and I am out of gum......
 
I love how everybody espouses agreement with #6, but always gets a burr up their butt whenever the gubmit wants tighter security measures that might interfere with their "freedom," or intrude on their "privacy." Want your cake and eat it too, huh? :laugh:

BTW Sheldon, an opinion cannot be "false," It is a subjective matter. You may view another's opinion as being disagreeable to you personally, but like they say opinions are like arseholes....
 
Quoting a dictionary is not an argument. Phobias are also irrational fears, which is why they can be cured. The fear that many, including myself, have, is not irrational and stems from an unspeakable act of terror perpetrated by members of a group that numbers hundred of millions. It is a small amount of those hundreds of millions that committed the act, and a very large number of those people who have refused to condemn it. It is also the peaceloving (?) segment of that group that is trying to impose sharia law in other countries, and in my opinion, here. I do not claim to be an expert on sharia law (I am probably not even spelling it right, so don't go there) but from what I have seen on tv and read about I am not a fan. I consider the United States the greatest country in history and fear muslim law and ways taking over my country.

It is easy to assume everyone who wants to stop the mosque is only doing so because of the actions of a few and therefore we must have some "phobia." There is a much bigger picture here. I wonder how you feel about a group of people who are defiantly still wanting to build a mosqe that they know is causing tremendous pain to millions of Americans?

So when are these Muslims, who say they just want to show they are americans too, going to build a monument to the us constitution? If they want to show they are serious about reaching across a divide to us let them do that.

Lets see, I have a vegan friend whose philosophy I don't understand. Let me reach out to him by making him come to my house and watch me decapitate a chicken and cook it and make him eat it. Right. :sarcastic:
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