Trying to stay on topic.
I'm a retired police sergeant from a big city, and also a retired military policemen (active duty and guard).
I was a CCW holder prior to appointment as a police officer and also after retirement.
As a police officer I conducted over a thousand car stops per year (no exaggeration).
I expected that EVERYONE I came into contact with was armed with some type of weapon. When I would pull over a person that would voluntarily admit that they had a CCW, I would just say "no problem, thanks" or "ok".
Where I had worked, I never heard any police officer acting like what was descibed in those posts.
As a POLICE OFFICER when you are on-duty in civlian clothes, or off-duty, you are told that if you are involved in any incident, the UNIFORMED officers are in charge and you WILL comply with their instructions. I would suggest the same for anyone else.
Cops are like anyone else in your work place, you have smart ones, funny ones, quiet ones, etc., then you have the axxholes. Expect that someday you'll run into the axxhole. I have.
I have had the chance to travel to many different parts of the U.S. and I know in certain parts especially small rural areas, that there is dissention between neighboring departments, and the police in these areas treat other police they encounter in a very unfriendly manner.
My advice if stopped by the polce, would be to pull over in a safe area so the cop won't get hit by a passing car (even if that means using the highway exit if there is no shoulder), roll all your windows down, turn on your dome light at night, keep your hands on the top of the steering wheel, say "Hi officer" and then wait for him/her to talk. Do not argue with him/her. Do not mention your CCW unless specifically asked.
If you were speeding or doing something wrong ADMIT IT (with genuine remorse). :yes4:The handful of people that admitted what they had actually done (and I don't mean saying "well I thought I was only going 10mph over the limit" when in reality you were doing 24mph over) I let off with a warning. Why, because when the officer tells you he saw you do something and you tell him you didn't, you are calling him a liar. How does it make you feel when your kids do that to you?
I would recommend the admittance of guilt only for non-criminal (ie., traffic violations) incidents.
If you have any problems with an officer be kind to him/her, remember as much info as possible and then go to the police station and make a report, or write a letter to the chief.
If you are having a severe problem with an officer comply with his/her instructions and politely ask for their supervisor to respond. Call 911 if neccessary. Cooperate and let your lawyer handle any civil rights violations later.
Just remember never to lose your cool, because it is much harder to de-escalate a situation. :nono:
Be safe. :wink:
I don't really think that these posts represent even a small minority of LEO's and wonder at times if those even are LEO to start with. However the attitudes range all over the place on how to handle anything. For instance watch this and see how you would handle it if you were a LEO and if you were the one being stopped. Usually the most vocal ones about these types of things are in the minority whether right or wrong. If this has been posted before I apologize but......
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Here is my take on the matter. Do criminals take the time and spend the money to get CCW's? No. Can a traffic stop go bad at any time? Yes. I can't see myself throwing you on your hood just because you have a CCW. However, I also wouldn't let you hold your weapon while I had you stopped. I would ask you where your weapon was, have you step out, I will remove it, then hand it back to you unloaded when we had concluded our business. By the nature of my profession, I don't like being around other people that are armed unless they are LE.
I copied the above response from the original forum. I'm a former LEO, left due to a non-job related injury, but still "have the fire" for the job. If I had been able to reply to this poster, I'd have respectfully suggested he find another line of work, especially after reading his last line. The people who go to the time and effort to get a permit (and maintain the "clean" lifestyle that allows them the privelege) are not the threat. Maybe these LEO's should read the "ten things you should know about CCW holders posted elsewhere in the forums. I had no problem being around legally armed citizens, and still don't. Some cops, however.......:wacko:
I wish I could say the same. My son and I were returning from shooting at a legal spot which the BLM directs shooters to and I was stopped. He saw us turn onto the highway from this area and pulled me over. I gave the officer my CHL along with my DL. The 'officer' started to make remarks several times that began variously: "You people who shoot out here..." "When you shooters..." and so on. He caught himself each time and didn't finish his remark, but it was clear that I was getting a ticket solely because he didn't approve of citizens with guns.I've posted about this before on this forum. I have had three traffic stops since I got my CCW here in NY. There is no requirement to notify in NY but each time I handed my CCW to the Officer with my DL. I am always respectful and honest and I have always been treated with respect in return.
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