Why Do You Carry Concealed?

[dcrosle1]

I do it to protect and preserve the life of my family and myself against the many deadly threats that exist in our society.

Also, one of my best friends was brutally murdered back in 2011 at the age of 21. After my friend tried to defend himself from being robbed, he was stabbed 13 times. If he had he been armed himself, he would more than likely still be here today to watch his son grow up.

 

[Mc1100Aero]

crossbreed

I like your post erpmontana! I carry for the same reason and to keep my wife safe as well as anyone else at the time of need. My wife was going to get her CCW, but found out she could not handle a pistol due to Arthur in her hands. She'll out shoot most men with a rifle or shotgun though. People tend to look at you kind of funny carrying a long gun, so CCW is the answer to that. I carry a S&W SD9VE in an Alien Gear IWC. I think I'll look for another with a full kydex wrap. The half kydex allows the holster to collapse after wearing for a while and makes drawing slightly difficult, but re-holstering very hard at times. If I keep my belt loose enough to prevent this, it feels like its going to pull my pants down. Which means you're always checking or lifting it. Not good for CCW especially in a crowded location.

I have a cross-border iwb for the sd9ve but no 9ve. Very impressive holster for you. You may want to check them out.

 

[malibuhb]

I have conceal carry because I want to be legal for #1, getting my permit also gets me and keeps me involved with learning from different points of views on everything concerning guns and laws.

And right now just the safer feeling I have with the events in Ferguson about ready to blow up.

Malibu / St. Louis

 

[mojo risin]

I'm asking how you went from 12 examples that in your opinion shows a "you talking to me", to hundred of millions of carriers being the same.

Hundreds of millions, huh?

In a country of just over 300 million?

That would be a neat trick.

You think you are young enough to talk shlt, so you project everyone is the same as you, to justify your mindset.

Yet oddly enough, it's you who insists that 2/3's of this country shares your need to carry.

But here your go:

Outstanding.

I propose that even CC folks will run and hide when shooting starts, and to challenge this - you provide an example of a CC guy who ran and hid when the shooting started.

It's a human thing to kill one another, for many reasons. Why is it record numbers now? Because there are more people in the world today. In ten years, it will be record breaking too.

So America has more "humans" than any other country?

Since this is the "USACARRY" board, let's assume we're talking about America.

So I'll ask again - why are WE offing each other in record numbers, as opposed to those other humans out there.

If you simply don't have an answer - I understand completely.

There's really no need for you to pretend the question is beneath you - that just looks silly.

Of the dozen of us here, I am one that does not need to answer that question.

See what I mean,.... it just looks silly.

You owning guns means nothing.

I think to a rational person it would tend to indicate I believe in the right to own guns.

You don't even understand why you're mindset is wrong.

This should be stunning.

It had nothing to do with being fearless, but the stupidity to think you are young enough to talk shlt.

Once again you are more than a little confused.

I don't CC because I don't feel the need to talk shlt.

If a guy is texting in a theater,... If some kids are blasting rap in a public parking lot, I ignore them.

Your logical fallacy is only dwarfed by your naivete.

Says the poster who challenged said logic by posting an example which supports it.

My take is you assume to much of others (hundred of millions of others) and their intents and reasoning.

Well, at least I don't incorrectly assume there are hundreds of millions of them.

So what is it, do people have a "you talking to me" attitude, or a "crawl across the floor in fear" attitude?

As we have seen again and again, that depends on whether or not the person they are confronting is armed or not.

In case you missed it, Bickel first asked the pimp if he had a gun before he shot him.

That's kind of the point - and why I used that particular reference.

It's hard to call this deflection, since I don't think you understand the points being debated.

I don't see any debate at all.

So far, you have avoided questions you had no answer to, you have presented numbers that are completely insane, and provided the story a CC guy who was to afraid to kill a shooter, as an example of how effective CC is against crime.

You aren't very good at this sort of thing, are you?

You need more than 2 posts to have any kind of educated judgement of others here.

Not really.

For example, I only needed two of your posts to confirm that you aren't capable of anything that even resembles a rational debate of this issue.

It's mind sets like yours that just go to show....
Some people never graduated grammar school...

Mindsets is one word, Einstein.

Grow a pair, put on your big girl panties and deal with it...

.... Cried the coward with a gun.

And right now just the safer feeling I have with the events in Ferguson about ready to blow up.

Maybe if Brown would have had CC, he could have defended himself against Wilson?

I do it to protect and preserve the life of my family and myself against the many deadly threats that exist in our society.

You can do that with open carry.

If he had he been armed himself, he would more than likely still be here today to watch his son grow up.

If he carried open, he more than likely wouldn't have been confronted in the first place.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Hundreds of millions, huh?

In a country of just over 300 million?

That would be a neat trick.

316 million, with upwards of around 47% owning firearms. That's hundreds of millions. Even though fewer carry, your deflection is noted. This in no way supports your asinine assertion that way more people have a "you talking to me" attitude based off less than a dozen incidents.

Yet oddly enough, it's you who insists that 2/3's of this country shares your need to carry.

What exactly is my need to carry? Feeling another troll response coming.

I propose that even CC folks will run and hide when shooting starts, and to challenge this - you provide an example of a CC guy who ran and hid when the shooting started.

It seems you're young enough to talk shlt, but not old enough to comprehend the article.

Strike one, Meli neither had a "you taking to me" or "drop to the floor in fear" attitude, he stood behind a pillar and drew his weapon.

Strike two, he wasn't afraid to kill, he was aware of what was behind his target.

Strike three, after the shooter saw Meli, they both went for cover, where the shooter killed himself.

You're out, lost the ball game, better luck next time.

Since this is the "USACARRY" board, let's assume we're talking about America.

So I'll ask again - why are WE offing each other in record numbers, as opposed to those other humans out there.

Maybe you didn't notice, but Americans are human like all the other humans in the world.

There are record number of Americans in America, each year it gets broken. How about not being so short sighted? Human history repeats itself, no matter what country is formed, or what weapon they use.

See what I mean,.... it just looks silly.

My answer looks silly to the ignorant...very very ignorant.

I think to a rational person it would tend to indicate I believe in the right to own guns.

Liberal mindset. No, you expect others to think that true, but it's not. It also has nothing to do with your foolhardy mindset, not your gun stance. You still don't understand though.

I don't CC because I don't feel the need to talk shlt.

It doesn't matter how you carry, why you carry is wrong. I don't think an ego that thinks he is young enough to shlt talk can accept his failure.

I don't see any debate at all.

Not surprising, you don't see a lot.

Not really.

For example, I only needed two of your posts to confirm that you aren't capable of anything that even resembles a rational debate of this issue.

Yes really. You started with no clue, and haven't found one yet. Here's a hint, I don't conceal carry genius.

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[mojo risin]

316 million, with upwards of around 47% owning firearms. That's hundreds of millions.

No, it isn't.

First off, 47% of 316 isn't hundreds - not even using new math.

Second, the number you are looking for is around 34%.

You kinda just make it up as you go, don't ya?

It doesn't matter how you carry, why you carry is wrong.

Since I don't carry at all, you seem more than a little confused again.

Strike one, Meli neither had a "you taking to me" or "drop to the floor in fear" attitude, he stood behind a pillar and drew his weapon.

He ran and hid - just as I said.

By his own admission, he didn't even draw his weapon until he saw that Robert's gun had jammed.

And the fact is, the only witness to ever even claim Meli drew his weapon at all - is Meli.

Strike two, he wasn't afraid to kill, he was aware of what was behind his target.

He was not only afraid to take the shot, he was afraid to tell Roberts to drop his weapon out loud for fear of giving up his position, and he ran like hell as soon as Roberts did spot him - KNOWING Roberts gun was jammed.

Like I said, your own example just proves my point - another carrier who ran in terror when confronted by someone else with a gun.

Strike three, after the shooter saw Meli, they both went for cover, where the shooter killed himself.

You're an incredibly dishonest person, aren't you?

Roberts didn't run for cover, and Meli already HAD cover - Meli ran FROM his cover to escape as soon as Roberts spotted him.

After Meli bailed, Roberts took aim at a mall employee who had been outside cutting up boxes when all the shooting was going on, but his weapon was still jammed.

It was nearly fifteen minutes before he killed himself.

You're making a fool of yourself, and it's actually getting embarrassing to watch.

 

[AmericanGeisha]

Because I'm a woman living in the 3rd most violent city in the US per capita. I want to protect myself and my loved ones.

 

[Firefighterchen]

No, it isn't.

First off, 47% of 316 isn't hundreds - not even using new math.

Second, the number you are looking for is around 34%.

No, the number is closer to 47%. The sad part is, it could be 1% and your "way more" comment would still be wrong.

Since I don't carry at all...

Thank God.

He ran and hid - just as I said.

By his own admission, he didn't even draw his weapon until he saw that Robert's gun had jammed.

There is nothing wrong with running while holstered, and drawing while acquiring his target. Had he drawn, ran , and searched, he could of flagged innocent people.

And the fact is, the only witness to ever even claim Meli drew his weapon at all - is Meli.

Multiple people say they saw him with his handgun out.

He was not only afraid to take the shot, he was afraid to tell Roberts to drop his weapon out loud for fear of giving up his position, and he ran like hell as soon as Roberts did spot him - KNOWING Roberts gun was jammed.

He wasn't afraid to take the shot, he knew it was too dangerous with people behind the target. He also had no obligation, nor is it prudent, to give the shooter a warning.

Roberts didn't run for cover, and Meli already HAD cover - Meli ran FROM his cover to escape as soon as Roberts spotted him.

Your tactics represent what you would find from video games and Hollywood. Get off the x, keep moving to better positions, don't give them a warning, and shoot when the path is clear.

After Meli bailed, Roberts took aim at a mall employee who had been outside cutting up boxes when all the shooting was going on, but his weapon was still jammed.

It was nearly fifteen minutes before he killed himself.

This ending the situation without another innocent person dying.

You can choke on some of these for a while.

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[golddigger14s]

Because I'm a woman living in the 3rd most violent city in the US per capita. I want to protect myself and my loved ones.

Thank you for joining in. Please ignore some of the in-fighting. Train, learn, carry, and help those around you when you can. Holidays coming up so drop off some canned food for those in need.

 

[CharlesMorrison]

Since I don't carry at all, you seem more than a little confused again.

Those are the only true words by you so far.....

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[mojo risin]

No, the number is closer to 47%.

Not that you're chronically wrong or anything, but here.... let me help you again.

The demographics and politics of gun-owning households | Pew Research Center

And lookie there - they even mention your 47% number:

White southerners are significantly more likely to have a gun at home (47%) than whites in other regions. But because blacks disproportionately live in the South and are only half as likely to have a gun at home as whites, the overall rate for the southern region falls to 38%.

Got that?

Even in a region where white ownership is highest - your 47% - that number is offset by those who don't own guns.

Give it up.

Pull your head out of Wayne Lapierre's ass, and have a breath of reality.

The sad part is, it could be 1% and your "way more" comment would still be wrong.

No, the sad part is that you insisted there were hundreds of millions of carriers, when in reality there aren't even hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country.

Fewer who own handguns - fewer still who carry.

Pretty pathetic - but no real surprise.

Your ilk has never been able to offer an honest debate.

If you can't lie - you can't speak.

There is nothing wrong with running while holstered

<yawn>

So now instead of touting his bravery as an example of how effective carry laws are against crime - you are justifying his complete failure to act as simple human nature.

Glad I could clear that up for you.

You're welcome, BTW.

Had he drawn, ran , and searched, he could of flagged innocent people.

Had he drawn, ran, and searched,..... he could have found a safe position to fire from and stopped the shooter.

But he didn't.

He just ran - as most carriers do.

Multiple people say they saw him with his handgun out.

I don't even mind calling you a liar of biblical proportions at this point.

He wasn't afraid to take the shot

Yes,... he was.

(Is this where you try and justify his failure to act by reminding us that he was unlawfully carrying in the first place?)

he knew it was too dangerous with people behind the target.

So instead of seeking a "safer" position to fire from - he just fled, leaving unarmed folks to fend for themselves.

Got it.

Your tactics represent what you would find from video games and Hollywood. Get off the x, keep moving to better positions, don't give them a warning, and shoot when the path is clear.

Since I'm the one who pointed out that he SHOULD have gave a warning when he supposedly had the shooter in his sights - you look pretty stupid again.

But let's face it, he didn't offer a warning for obvious reasons - he didn't want to get shot.

"Shootin' a man ain't no easy thang - 'specially if the sumbich is shooting back,.... that'll just plain rattle some folks"

This ending the situation without another innocent person dying.

No thanks to Meli - who like most carriers, ran for the hills when his own life was in danger.

I understand your pathetic need to find SOMETHING to support your cowardly stance on this issue, but you're wasting your time.

FOX news spent 6 months trying to make a story of heroism out of this - but learned that you can't polish a turd.

Meli was just another blow hard carrier, and his blatant failure to act proves my point.

Let's see if any of your other "examples" do the same, shall we?

Thankfully, some shoppers were able to distract Dudley long off for the owner of the store to retrieve his gun and defend himself.

So,... he wasn't carrying - concealed or otherwise.

When two masked men with guns broke into his home and pointed their weapons at one of the residents, Cody Buckler immediately took action. He retrieved his gun from upstairs and began shooting at the criminals.

So,... he wasn't carrying - concealed or otherwise.

Thankfully, 2 students were able to run to their cars, get their guns, and use their weapons to halt the rampage.

So,... they weren't carrying - concealed or otherwise.

When 69-year-old Ethel Jones heard her doors rattling at 3 a.m., she grabbed her gun from underneath the pillow next to her.

So,... she wasn't carrying - concealed or otherwise.

You're a joke.

Seriously.

I only hope you aren't representative of this board, because quite frankly I've gotten more compelling and intelligent arguments from my infants in defense of staying up past bedtime.

 

[mojo risin]

Americangeshia:

Because I'm a woman living in the 3rd most violent city in the US per capita. I want to protect myself and my loved ones.

Understandable.

But why carry concealed?

There's little question that open carry is a FAR more effective deterrent.

I'm looking for serious answers to the question posed in this thread.

Does your local law prevent open carry?

Are you uncomfortable carrying open?

I don't need to know why people carry, I just want to know why people don't want others to know they're carrying?

The collective knowledge that a potential victim MIGHT be carrying is not a deterrent - this is a documented fact.

So let's say federal law allows you to open carry.

Is that not enough to protect your family?

Is carrying concealed important enough to you that you are willing to accept the many examples we are seeing of bullied punks who want payback, and walk around starting shlt HOPING to use their weapons?

Should we allow concealed carry EVERYWHERE as the NRA proposes?

If so, I don't want to take my family to ANY place where alcohol is served.

Is "stand your ground" our future - where you can kill someone who just SAYS they will kick your ass?

If that's the case, you can HAVE this failed experiment we call America.

 

[Firefighterchen]

And lookie there - they even mention your 47% number:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

Here, 47%...little old though right, 2011...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/Guns.aspx

"lookie here", 42% with 2% having a gun insides garage, shop, car, etc.

Pull your head out of Wayne Lapierre's ass, and have a breath of reality.

You really have no idea who I am. First think I conceal carry, now you think I am a member and fan of the NRA...can you do anything besides deflection and failure?

No, the sad part is that you insisted there were hundreds of millions of carriers, when in reality there aren't even hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country.

Fewer who own handguns - fewer still who carry.

Can't argue the point, deflect deflect deflect.

So now instead of touting his bravery as an example of how effective carry laws are against crime - you are justifying his complete failure to act as simple human nature.

I'm justifying his actions based on training, actual training, outside of a basement. Training Meli has as a professional armed guard.

I don't even mind calling you a liar of biblical proportions at this point.

http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2012/12/security_guard_said_he_had_rob.html

"Authorities confirmed Monday that Meli was seen during the incident, gun drawn, near the entrance to Macy's inside the mall."

(Is this where you try and justify his failure to act by reminding us that he was unlawfully carrying in the first place?)

(Is this where you try and deflect again?)

Since I'm the one who pointed out that he SHOULD have gave a warning when he supposedly had the shooter in his sights - you look pretty stupid again.

He should not have given a warning. Period.

...(whining)...

Let's see if any of your other "examples" do the same, shall we?

Thankfully, some shoppers were able to distract Dudley long off for the owner of the store to retrieve his gun and defend himself.

So,... he wasn't carrying - concealed or otherwise.

When two masked men with guns broke into his home and pointed their weapons at one of the residents, Cody Buckler immediately took action. He retrieved his gun from upstairs and began shooting at the criminals.

So,... he wasn't carrying - concealed or otherwise.

Thankfully, 2 students were able to run to their cars, get their guns, and use their weapons to halt the rampage.

So,... they weren't carrying - concealed or otherwise.

When 69-year-old Ethel Jones heard her doors rattling at 3 a.m., she grabbed her gun from underneath the pillow next to her.

So,... she wasn't carrying - concealed or otherwise.

...(whining)...

Pathetic. You asked for one. I gave you 9 instances of concealed carriers, that also mentioned 4 other instances where they weren't carrying. Even though you try and nit pick the instances, none of the gun owners had a "you talking to me" or "drop to the floor in fear" attitude, "way more" were concealed carrying. Don't let the truth get in your way through...keep deflecting and name calling, Alinsky would be proud of you.

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[CharlesMorrison]

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Dude...... Your "mojo" is definitely NOT "rising".. …...

Clown...
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[NavyLCDR]

Should we allow concealed carry EVERYWHERE as the NRA proposes?

If so, I don't want to take my family to ANY place where alcohol is served.

Really?!? Why, because the blood will flow if people carry where alcohol is served? Funny how it doesn't in any of the states such as Washington where people can open and conceal carry where alcohol is served (just not in a bar designated as 21 and over in Washington, where you can't take your family [kids] anyway. Heck, in Washington it's not illegal to consume alcohol and be armed. So, I guess you might want to stay out of Washington, and all these green states:

Restaurant Carry | OpenCarry.org

I'm afraid I must go back and like post #1092... and maybe you should go check out the Brady bunch and Moms Not Getting Enough Action forums - your views seem to be more common with theirs than ours here.

 

[Farmhood]

http://youtu.be/W9eCrs_MXxo

sinful nature is always hostile to God....

 

[mojo risin]

Here, 47%...little old though right, 2011...

.

And that's a rational defense of your blatantly incorrect numbers?

Just go back and find a year where your numbers were correct?

Wow.

"lookie here", 42% with 2% having a gun insides garage, shop, car, etc.

It's really not that complicated.

YOU said several times that there were "hundreds of millions of carriers" in the US.

YOU weren't even close.

And YOU are too pathetic to simply acknowledge this.

You really have no idea who I am.

Sure I do.

Your a guy who tries to defend your position by babbling out a bunch of ridiculous numbers - then makes a total ass of yourself when you get called on them - rather than simply admitting you don't have a clue.

Can you do anything besides deflection and failure?

I can point out to the folks here just how incredibly dishonest you are.

Can't argue the point, deflect deflect deflect.

There is nothing to argue - you were flat out making shlt up, there's not even any question about that.

Since then, it's been YOU deflecting - no real surprise there.

I'm justifying his actions based on training, actual training, outside of a basement.

Except you are justifying his inaction - whilst somehow still insisting he stopped the shooting.

You can't even confirm his claim that he TOOK any action - beyond running away in terror.

Authorities confirmed Monday that Meli was seen during the incident, gun drawn, near the entrance to Macy's inside the mall.

I don't know how to break this to you, but the Sheriff's office report has been public for over a year now.

Sheriff's Office completes investigation of shootings of Forsyth, Yuille and Shevchenko; written reports now available

In case you're still confused, this is where you either show us this "confirmation by authorities", or admit that you have no idea as to whether or not Meli ever drew his weapon.

Training Meli has as a professional armed guard.

You mean like where they told the rules about CC in a gun free zone?

Is this where you try and deflect again?

It's not ME ignoring the fact that Meli was carrying unlawfully.

It's not ME ignoring the fact that Meli doesn't even know if the shooter saw him.

It's not ME ignoring the fact that the shooter didn't turn the gun on himself until fifteen minutes after Meli was long gone.

It's not ME ignoring the fact that Meli claims he only heard 3 shots before he bailed, when the shooter fired 17.

It's just YOU,..... making a complete fool of yourself.

He should not have given a warning. Period.

You bet - Roberts was carrying a gun,... Meli might have gotten shot!

Better to run like a coward, and let all those unarmed folks fend for themselves.

Of course pointing out what Meli actually did, shreds your silly argument to ribbons.

And we damn sure know you can't deal with that, don't we?

Pathetic. You asked for one. I gave you 9 instances of concealed carriers

You're lying again.

Seems to be quite a habit with you.

I'll make it real simple for you - you don't even need to provide confirmation of your ridiculous "sources".

Just go back to your links and name a single CC holder who stopped a crime in any of your "9 examples".

I'll wait right here.

Even though you try and nit pick the instances

There's no nit-picking to it.

Your "instances" are a joke.

You desperately search for a valid example, and each one is more ridiculous than the last.

What's next?

Your cousin's wife's brother in law once worked with a guy who heard about another guy who knew somebody who saw a CC stop a crime?

 

[mojo risin]

Really?!? Why, because the blood will flow if people carry where alcohol is served?

Why on earth would anyone think that?

Concealed weapon permit holder injures woman in Orlando bar - Orlando Sentinel

2 hurt in accidental shooting at south Wichita bar

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Kinda looks like CC and liquor are a match made in heaven, huh?

 

[NavyLCDR]

Why on earth would anyone think that?

Concealed weapon permit holder fires shot inside Orlando sports bar, injuring one

Concealed weapon permit holder injures woman in Orlando bar - Orlando Sentinel

2 hurt in accidental shooting at south Wichita bar

2 hurt in accidental shooting at south Wichita bar

Grand jury indicts Broad Ripple shooter Tristan Crayton

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Kinda looks like CC and liquor are a match made in heaven, huh?

So, what you stated was, "Should we allow concealed carry EVERYWHERE as the NRA proposes?

If so, I don't want to take my family to ANY place where alcohol is served."

Louisiana is the only state where firearms are completely prohibited by law anywhere alcohol is served. So, unless you live in Louisiana that means that you don't want to take your family ANY place where alcohol is served in any of the other 49 states? You do understand that you are more likely to be killed by a drunk driver or driver under the influence on the way to the restaurant than killed by a person under the influence of alcohol with a gun, right?

Upon further research it looks like LA now allows firearms in restaurants where alcohol is served, so I guess you aren't safe in Applebee's in Louisiana any longer either. But at least I know I shouldn't ever run into you in most of the places where my family and I dine out.

 

[Firefighterchen]

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*Whining and deflection*

You can't even confirm his claim that he TOOK any action - beyond running away in terror.

I don't know how to break this to you, but the Sheriff's office report has been public for over a year now.

Sheriff's Office completes investigation of shootings of Forsyth, Yuille and Shevchenko; written reports now available

In case you're still confused, this is where you either show us this "confirmation by authorities", or admit that you have no idea as to whether or not Meli ever drew his weapon.

http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2013/05/clackamas_town_center_shooting_84.html

4 reports, and surveillance show Meli acted and drew his gun.

You mean like where they told the rules about CC in a gun free zone?

It's not ME ignoring the fact that Meli was carrying unlawfully.

*Whining and deflection*

Not only are you deflecting, your wrong about oregon law. Malls and no gun signs have no legal authority. Places that are described as prohibited places in ORS, have an exemption for CHL holder's.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...V2I8BKZHtB_YpDRng&sig2=SufzcEBZrIqBTpJ5UbTbOg

No doubt, you will ignore this, like you ignored all the other cc stories. Every post shows how true #1092 is.

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