Why Do You Carry Concealed?

[Firefighterchen]

I won't look into OC until our Mayor and Chief of Police are kicked out of office. Our Sherriff is very much for OC/CC. My main point was not OC or CC. It was the disagreements of a person picking to OC or CC. Who cares what people think, carry the way you fell comfortable with. I personally don't like the attention I would get OC. Some people love the attention they get. Enough said.

It's not so much the disagreements...it's the misinformation and lies.

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[CharlesMorrison]

Some people love the attention they get. Enough said.

Seems to me that you are implying that "open carriers" OC.. Just for attention!?
I already have a "robust" schlong so I can assure you... I don't need the attention!

I am well grounded. I am also an adult who carries an XD.45, openly, and where I live, OC won't even get you a sideways glance. it's not so much that people don't care about me OC'ing.... Why are YOU against it?

 

[jerkos]

It's not a case of against, it's a case of prefer.

 

[NavyLCDR]

It's not a case of against, it's a case of prefer.

Your previous statement that:

But the OC always insults the CC.

seems to indicate a prejudice against those who OC which simply isn't based in fact. There are many times more examples of CC only snobs who insult open carry people than open carry people who insult those that chosse to conceal. And only a very small minority of people who prefer to coneal are CC only snobs.

For example, just recently:

I want to IWB carry because of not wanting to look like a gunslinger.

Personally, I would rather look like a gunslinger than every other potential victim to a criminal, but that's just me.

 

[jerkos]

You answered it with "but that's just me". I totally agree with that. My reply to you before was I could be wrong because of the situation in Milwaukee. Even when I say I could be wrong in my thinking. Even if I say this I get "why are you against it". I don't care or see anything wrong with OC or CC. You guys have got to lighten up and be proud that you are law abiding citizens who have a carry license. Enough said!!

 

[CharlesMorrison]

You guys have got to lighten up and be proud that you are law abiding citizens who have a carry license. Enough said!!

Law abiding? Says who?

Maybe yes.. Maybe no...

I pack a .45 with NO permit or other infringement on my right.

Why the hell would I want a permission slip from the Gubberment?!
I do not need the permission of some douche nosle.
It is my right and I plan on phucking keeping it!


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[Firefighterchen]

Law abiding? Says who?

Maybe yes.. Maybe no...

I pack a .45 with NO permit or other infringement on my right.

Why the hell would I want a permission slip from the Gubberment?!
I do not need the permission of some douche nosle.
It is my right and I plan on phucking keeping it!


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That's a definite no for me. There are too many unjust or ridiculous laws, to follow them all would be unAmerican. Anyone who thinks they are law abiding is in denial...every mph over the speed limit makes you not law abiding.

Screw permits!!!! Cut mine up a year ago.

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[CharlesMorrison]

I carry concealed because it is the safer way to carry. If you advertise that you are armed, guess who the bad guys target first.

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[ET]

For the peace of mind, in knowing I have a chance.

 

[.38 SPL+P-Judge]

First i have a CDWL,but i don't carry everyday. At my age now I feel safer when I go walking around the neighbourhood for exercise. I,feel better when i'm CC.:warning2:

 

[ET]

Why Do You Carry Concealed?
Because I can.. been carrying as a civilian since 1977, prior to that I was a combat veteran retiring in 1977.
I have 50 years of experience with a 1911.. and carry a Kimber 1911 45 ACP in the pocket...every waking hour.

Summer and winter.

 

[ET]

Just retired after 20+ years of serving my country....and I would hate to be a victim of a senseless crime after surviving all that I have already. My wife carries too - wouldn't leave home without it.

You are slow getting started here so I welcome you to the forum after six months... also thank you for your service to our country. You are following in my footsteps as far as personal defense. Its not getting any nicer out there in the street

 

[erpmontana]

A email I got just about sums it up. Here is the context of it. I thought you might enjoy it although a little long..
Pretty much explains my position on the subject.
I don't carry a gun to kill people; I carry a gun to keep from being killed.
I don't carry a gun to scare people; I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.
I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid; I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I'm evil; I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I hate the government; I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.
I don't carry a gun because I'm angry; I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.
I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone; I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.
I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy; I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy.
I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man; I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.
I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate; I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.
I don't carry a gun because I love it; I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.
Police protection is an oxymoron: Free citizens must protect themselves, because police do not protect you from crime, they just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.
Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whooping'!

 

[Paco]

Great post above.
Thanks for that.
Copied & pasted.:smile:

 

[glassham]

I like your post erpmontana! I carry for the same reason and to keep my wife safe as well as anyone else at the time of need. My wife was going to get her CCW, but found out she could not handle a pistol due to Arthur in her hands. She'll out shoot most men with a rifle or shotgun though. People tend to look at you kind of funny carrying a long gun, so CCW is the answer to that. I carry a S&W SD9VE in an Alien Gear IWC. I think I'll look for another with a full kydex wrap. The half kydex allows the holster to collapse after wearing for a while and makes drawing slightly difficult, but re-holstering very hard at times. If I keep my belt loose enough to prevent this, it feels like its going to pull my pants down. Which means you're always checking or lifting it. Not good for CCW especially in a crowded location.

 

[mojo risin]

Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whooping'!

And THERE it is.

Not too old to still talk shlt mind you - just too old to have to deal with the possible consequences.

Hell, I say we arm kids as well.

Why should they have to quietly take crap from adults just because the adults could "whoop their asses"?

Now normally Zimmerman wouldn't have screwed with Martin - I mean, he's pretty much a worm.

But give him a gun.... and suddenly he's "sick and tired of them niggers always getting away with everything!"

How about Dunn down in Jacksonville?

No reason for him to have to listen to that rap bullshlt in a public parking lot.... not when he's packing!

"Turn that shlt down before I shoot the whole bunch of you!"

Or maybe old man Reeves in the theater?

"I said get off that phone before I MAKE you get off, PUNK!"

Yes, there may well be folks who carry for protection, but from what we see in the news there are WAY more "you talking to me?" Travis Bickles out there just itching for a confrontation.

Pityfull little punks who got bullied all their lives and just want some payback.

But it's like voting, less than half the registered voters ever show up at the polls - yet you'd be hard pressed to find anyone you know who will admit they don't vote.

Same deal here.

"Why NO, I don't carry to be big and bad - I carry for protection only."

Were that the case, you wouldn't have to carry concealed, would you?

The way I see it, you carry so nobody will harm you - you carry concealed so someone will try.

But here's a tip to help spot those Bickles - record a clip of Eastwood saying "make my day"........

If you play it for someone and they grin - they shouldn't be allowed to carry.

 

[Firefighterchen]

And THERE it is.

Not too old to still talk shlt mind you - just too old to have to deal with the possible consequences.

Hell, I say we arm kids as well.

Why should they have to quietly take crap from adults just because the adults could "whoop their asses"?

Now normally Zimmerman wouldn't have screwed with Martin - I mean, he's pretty much a worm.

But give him a gun.... and suddenly he's "sick and tired of them niggers always getting away with everything!"

How about Dunn down in Jacksonville?

No reason for him to have to listen to that rap bullshlt in a public parking lot.... not when he's packing!

"Turn that shlt down before I shoot the whole bunch of you!"

Or maybe old man Reeves in the theater?

"I said get off that phone before I MAKE you get off, PUNK!"

Yes, there may well be folks who carry for protection, but from what we see in the news there are WAY more "you talking to me?" Travis Bickles out there just itching for a confrontation.

Pityfull little punks who got bullied all their lives and just want some payback.

But it's like voting, less than half the registered voters ever show up at the polls - yet you'd be hard pressed to find anyone you know who will admit they don't vote.

Same deal here.

"Why NO, I don't carry to be big and bad - I carry for protection only."

Were that the case, you wouldn't have to carry concealed, would you?

The way I see it, you carry so nobody will harm you - you carry concealed so someone will try.

But here's a tip to help spot those Bickles - record a clip of Eastwood saying "make my day"........

If you play it for someone and they grin - they shouldn't be allowed to carry.

With hundreds of millions of people carrying...you pick less than a dozen examples , and now there are "way more ' you taking to me'" carriers?

Your logic fails.

"not to old to still talk shlt"? You have the completely wrong mindset to be carrying any weapon.


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[mojo risin]

With hundreds of millions of people carrying...you pick less than a dozen examples

I have learned that whenever I provide an example that isn't world-wide news - I spend the next dozen posts playing the "please provide documentation" game., and it's Monday - I'm just not in the mood.

Now if you were to offer say - ONE counter example - you know, like where some CC holder's actions somehow actually contributed something positive to the tribe.......

and now there are "way more ' you taking to me'" carriers?

It's hardly a new attitude in this country.

I suspect there were way more of them as far back as when we first stepped foot off the boats.

It's an American thing, and as far as I can tell - it always has been.

That is unless you have some OTHER explaination as to why we consistently off each other in such record numbers?

You have the completely wrong mindset to be carrying any weapon.

Since I've never been terrified of the world and everything in it, I have the completely wrong mindset to ever feel a NEED to carry a weapon - despite the fact that I am the proud owner of several.

But I appreciate your concern none the less.

I notice you avoided the question as to how CC is somehow preferable to the obvious deterrent effects of open carry.

From what I can see, there's nothing in our CC to prohibit open carry - in fact here you don't even need CC to carry open.

My theory is that folks who CC do so for primarily two reasons - one that I mentioned before - they are hoping for a confrontation.

And the other being that whilst the world terrifies them to the point they feel the need to carry - it's not something they wish to share with the rest of us.

Now, perhaps it's my Catholic upbringing, but I am of the notion that if something brings you shame - you probably shouldn't be doing it.

What's your take?

I mean let's face it, LaPierre's "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun" is just plain idiotic.

You aren't ANY safer carrying.

There were "good guys with guns" at Columbine and Virginia tech - and they were the first ones out of the building when the shooting started.

Why?

Because they were intelligent enough to know that a "bad guy with a gun" will KILL a "good guy with a gun" 99 times out of 100.

Take the Colorado theater.

I can't tell you how many CC Cowboys told me "If I had been there...."

Yeah, yeah if YOU had been there, you woulda dropped to the floor like everyone else did and crawled your ass to the exit.

I don't mean to pop anyone's Hollywood created bubble where the every day Joe kills 50 machine gun weilding terrorists with a 38 revolver, but the fact is, when you pit somebody who has no regard for human life - not even his own - against an average joe.... the average Joe is pretty much screwed, and most of them know it. (I've seen it first hand)

So here we are, with CC rights?

And out there are some bad guys who KNOW we have it.

Does ANYONE honestly believe the bad guy who means them harm is gonna give them any opportunity whatsoever to get to their weapon?

Pu-leeeese.

Not long ago in my "hood" we had a gal shot in the head whilst sitting in her car talking on a cell phone.

What was taken?

Her phone.

I suspect her family would rather her assailent had just put the gun to her head and demanded the phone - But why should he take that chance.... she may have been packing.

Tennesse passed CC because at the time Memphis was the US capitol for car jackings.

CC reduced those car jacking stats, bumping Detroit into the number one spot.

That's because when a jacker creeps up on you at a stoplight, shoots you in the head and drags your body out, rather that demanding you get out of the car - it's no longer a car jacking - it's a homocide..

Me?

I'd rather go home on foot and get another car.

So don't waste your breath telling me that your fear driven need to CC has no ill effect on the rest of us, because it does.

If you're all that afraid of this mean old world then do us a favor... stay home with a shotgun on your lap.

Let the rest of us live our lives.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I have learned that whenever I provide an example that isn't world-wide news - I spend the next dozen posts playing the "please provide documentation" game., and it's Monday - I'm just not in the mood.

I'm not asking for proof. I'm asking how you went from 12 examples that in your opinion shows a "you talking to me", to hundred of millions of carriers being the same. So until you provide hundred of millions of examples, I have another theory on why you believe there are "way more."

It comes up frequently in forums, it's called projection. You think you are young enough to talk shlt, so you project everyone is the same as you, to justify your mindset. Sorry it doesn't work like that, your shlt attitude is wrong if you are going to be carrying any weapon, and projecting your failure in others doesn't make it any better.

Now if you were to offer say - ONE counter example - you know, like where some CC holder's actions somehow actually contributed something positive to the tribe.......

First, you completely missed my point.
Second, one example will do nothing to change your shlt attitude, or your projecting that way more people have the same. But here your go: Link Removed

It's hardly a new attitude in this country.

I suspect there were way more of them as far back as when we first stepped foot off the boats.

It's an American thing, and as far as I can tell - it always has been.

That is unless you have some OTHER explaination as to why we consistently off each other in such record numbers?

It's a human thing to kill one another, for many reasons. Why is it record numbers now? Because there are more people in the world today. In ten years, it will be record breaking too.

Since I've never been terrified of the world and everything in it, I have the completely wrong mindset to ever feel a NEED to carry a weapon - despite the fact that I am the proud owner of several.

But I appreciate your concern none the less.

You owning guns means nothing...Feinstein owns guns, Bloomberg owns guns...and?

You don't even understand why you're mindset is wrong. It had nothing to do with being fearless, but the stupidity to think you are young enough to talk shlt. No one is young enough for that, as we never should be.

I notice you avoided the question as to how CC is somehow preferable to the obvious deterrent effects of open carry.

Your logical fallacy is only dwarfed by your naivete. Of the dozen of us here, I am one that does not need to answer that question.

From what I can see, there's nothing in our CC to prohibit open carry - in fact here you don't even need CC to carry open.

My theory is that folks who CC do so for primarily two reasons - one that I mentioned before - they are hoping for a confrontation.

And the other being that whilst the world terrifies them to the point they feel the need to carry - it's not something they wish to share with the rest of us.

Now, perhaps it's my Catholic upbringing, but I am of the notion that if something brings you shame - you probably shouldn't be doing it.

What's your take?

My take is you assume to much of others (hundred of millions of others) and their intents and reasoning.

I mean let's face it, LaPierre's "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun" is just plain idiotic.

You aren't ANY safer carrying.

There were "good guys with guns" at Columbine and Virginia tech - and they were the first ones out of the building when the shooting started.

Why?

Because they were intelligent enough to know that a "bad guy with a gun" will KILL a "good guy with a gun" 99 times out of 100.

Take the Colorado theater.

I can't tell you how many CC Cowboys told me "If I had been there...."

Yeah, yeah if YOU had been there, you woulda dropped to the floor like everyone else did and crawled your ass to the exit.

I don't mean to pop anyone's Hollywood created bubble where the every day Joe kills 50 machine gun weilding terrorists with a 38 revolver, but the fact is, when you pit somebody who has no regard for human life - not even his own - against an average joe.... the average Joe is pretty much screwed, and most of them know it. (I've seen it first hand)

So what is it, do people have a "you talking to me" attitude, or a "crawl across the floor in fear" attitude?

So here we are, with CC rights?

And out there are some bad guys who KNOW we have it.

Does ANYONE honestly believe the bad guy who means them harm is gonna give them any opportunity whatsoever to get to their weapon?

Pu-leeeese.

Not long ago in my "hood" we had a gal shot in the head whilst sitting in her car talking on a cell phone.

What was taken?

Her phone.

I suspect her family would rather her assailent had just put the gun to her head and demanded the phone - But why should he take that chance.... she may have been packing.

Tennesse passed CC because at the time Memphis was the US capitol for car jackings.

CC reduced those car jacking stats, bumping Detroit into the number one spot.

That's because when a jacker creeps up on you at a stoplight, shoots you in the head and drags your body out, rather that demanding you get out of the car - it's no longer a car jacking - it's a homocide..

Me?

I'd rather go home on foot and get another car.

It's hard to call this deflection, since I don't think you understand the points being debated.

So don't waste your breath telling me that your fear driven need to CC has no ill effect on the rest of us, because it does.

If you're all that afraid of this mean old world then do us a favor... stay home with a shotgun on your lap.

Let the rest of us live our lives.

You need more than 2 posts to have any kind of educated judgement of others here. Until then, I'd be careful because the heel of the foot that is in your mouth, is closing in on your rectum.

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[CharlesMorrison]

I have learned that whenever I provide an example that isn't world-wide news - I spend the next dozen posts playing the "please provide documentation" game., and it's Monday - I'm just not in the mood.

Now if you were to offer say - ONE counter example - you know, like where some CC holder's actions somehow actually contributed something positive to the tribe.......



It's hardly a new attitude in this country.

I suspect there were way more of them as far back as when we first stepped foot off the boats.

It's an American thing, and as far as I can tell - it always has been.

That is unless you have some OTHER explaination as to why we consistently off each other in such record numbers?



Since I've never been terrified of the world and everything in it, I have the completely wrong mindset to ever feel a NEED to carry a weapon - despite the fact that I am the proud owner of several.

But I appreciate your concern none the less.

I notice you avoided the question as to how CC is somehow preferable to the obvious deterrent effects of open carry.

From what I can see, there's nothing in our CC to prohibit open carry - in fact here you don't even need CC to carry open.

My theory is that folks who CC do so for primarily two reasons - one that I mentioned before - they are hoping for a confrontation.

And the other being that whilst the world terrifies them to the point they feel the need to carry - it's not something they wish to share with the rest of us.

Now, perhaps it's my Catholic upbringing, but I am of the notion that if something brings you shame - you probably shouldn't be doing it.

What's your take?

I mean let's face it, LaPierre's "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun" is just plain idiotic.

You aren't ANY safer carrying.

There were "good guys with guns" at Columbine and Virginia tech - and they were the first ones out of the building when the shooting started.

Why?

Because they were intelligent enough to know that a "bad guy with a gun" will KILL a "good guy with a gun" 99 times out of 100.

Take the Colorado theater.

I can't tell you how many CC Cowboys told me "If I had been there...."

Yeah, yeah if YOU had been there, you woulda dropped to the floor like everyone else did and crawled your ass to the exit.

I don't mean to pop anyone's Hollywood created bubble where the every day Joe kills 50 machine gun weilding terrorists with a 38 revolver, but the fact is, when you pit somebody who has no regard for human life - not even his own - against an average joe.... the average Joe is pretty much screwed, and most of them know it. (I've seen it first hand)

So here we are, with CC rights?

And out there are some bad guys who KNOW we have it.

Does ANYONE honestly believe the bad guy who means them harm is gonna give them any opportunity whatsoever to get to their weapon?

Pu-leeeese.

Not long ago in my "hood" we had a gal shot in the head whilst sitting in her car talking on a cell phone.

What was taken?

Her phone.

I suspect her family would rather her assailent had just put the gun to her head and demanded the phone - But why should he take that chance.... she may have been packing.

Tennesse passed CC because at the time Memphis was the US capitol for car jackings.

CC reduced those car jacking stats, bumping Detroit into the number one spot.

That's because when a jacker creeps up on you at a stoplight, shoots you in the head and drags your body out, rather that demanding you get out of the car - it's no longer a car jacking - it's a homocide..

Me?

I'd rather go home on foot and get another car.

So don't waste your breath telling me that your fear driven need to CC has no ill effect on the rest of us, because it does.

If you're all that afraid of this mean old world then do us a favor... stay home with a shotgun on your lap.

Let the rest of us live our lives.

It's mind sets like yours that just go to show....
Some people never graduated grammar school...
Grow a pair, put on your big girl panties and deal with it...