CharlesMorrison
Banned
Holy crap! You sure woke up on the wrong side of the bed, didn't you?
It would also be wise to refrain from accusing a respected member of this forum.
Chill out and its all gravy!
Sent from behind enemy lines..
Why carry open in town?
- Thread starter Horseman
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Holy crap! You sure woke up on the wrong side of the bed, didn't you?
It would also be wise to refrain from accusing a respected member of this forum.
Chill out and its all gravy!
Sent from behind enemy lines..
Going to be at the open carry picnic in Bellingham on July 12?
golddigger14s
SFC At Fort Lewis, WA
I would really love to, but I work Wednesday to Sunday. Also an almost 3 hour drive.
LoveMyCCLandmyGuns
New member
This is why I carry concealed. First of all, I know I am legal when I am I possession of my license, 2nd, I would absolutely cringe if I heard a child scream out "MAMMA THAT MAN GOTTA GUN." I agree with the open carry gang that we need to be proud of our 2nd amendment rights however, they are defeating the cause when they go into places with AR's slung over their shoulders and bragging about their rights. These places will then ban ALL guns from their establishments and deny rights to even CCL holders and police. They will be taking my right away to concealed carry.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
BluesStringer
Les Brers
So....when was the last time you had an original thought?
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
I know I am legal to carry, and I don't need a piece of paper to tell me.
I've never had a child say that, in my experience most children are more acceptable than adults...and than even if a child did say it, I know I'm legal.
So you don't want them to exercise their rights in fear of losing their rights? So do they have rights to begin with if they can't exercise them either way?
CCL holders and police are no different, they shouldn't be allowed anymore privilege than the right to open carry.
You have a permission slip to conceal, you gave up your Right a long time ago. Your quote is ironic...you want open carriers to do nothing so that evil can triumph...you realize that right?
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Rhino
New member
Why not?......................................
You don't even know you don't have the right to begin with (see the bolded part above?), why should we listen to anything you have to say about something we know your completely ignorant of?
And second, crap fast food is more important to you than the 2nd amendment? Shame on you!
golddigger14s
SFC At Fort Lewis, WA
In five years I've never heard a kid, or some one of any age scream that. Be proud of your self, your rights, and come out of the closet so to speak. Being a gun owner should not be a "dirty little secret". I actually had a little old lady in a electric shopping scooter whisper to her husband "nice grips". (I have a 1911 with Army logo grips). How does that song go? "Paranoia, self destroyer".
Gunluvr
Gunluvr
So what if you're "legal"? The license that you carry is for the benefit of the police and if it makes you feel good about being "legal" then more power to you but a license is not needed to exercise a God given, Constitutionally protected civil right. I could also care less that someone sees me openly carrying my gun(s), that's their problem not mine. Carrying rifles is the only legal option for citizens in Texas since modern handguns are illegal to openly carry. Finally businesses will have to make a choice to accommodate all of their customers or just the sniveling anti-gun ones, it's an economic consideration.
whodat2710
New member
As I just posted in another thread with a similar topic
I have come up with a new acronym for these people - CINO (conservative in name only)
BC1
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FYI: Today's NY Times.
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Jersey City Officer Is Fatally Shot While Responding to Robbery - http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/14/n...on®ion=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=0
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"An armed security guard at the Walgreens store, located at Communipaw Avenue and Kennedy Boulevard, said the suspect had struck him and had taken his weapon, which was believed to have been used in the shooting of the officer, the statement said."
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Not trying to add conflict. Just thought you might be interested in the article.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
It might actually be interesting if it provided any statistical evidence against the notion that OC provides a deterrent value. But it's a pure anecdote, and provides nothing but a rebuttal to a post that is no rebuttal at all because it doesn't even begin to challenge or refute anything that Navy said.
I'd say my five years driving and couriering for an armored transport company with never being threatened or approached by anyone thinking of robbing me or my partner(s) is much more support for Navy's post than that anecdotal story refutes it in any way. It was that experience that made it so easy to transition from full-time CC to full-time OC when our laws were changed to fully support OC last year.
And it might interest some to know that during those five years, I often OC'ed an 870 shotgun during particularly large transfers. I will never understand why so many gun owners, here and every other gun forum I ever visit, seem to be fine with OC'ed weapons to protect other peoples' wealth and property, but if I decide for myself that it's the best tactical decision for protecting mine and my wife's lives, suddenly I'm an "attention whore" or a "redneck yahoo" or an "idiot" or any number of other pejoratives that I've been answering and defending against ever since the Chipotle picture got publicized by agenda-driven, anti-gun, manipulators and liars for the express purpose of causing rifts between gun owners.
Gun owners are their own worst enemies, and I sure don't say that because of the OCT crew, I say that because of the elitist "my-way-or-the-highway" crowd found in great numbers here and every other gun forum on the web.
Blues
Thank you for posting that BC1 because it does make for interesting discussion.
Why did Walgreens hire an armed security guard to begin with? Would they waste their money on an armed security guard if they did not see a benefit to it greater than the outlay of cash to pay for it (unless the government made them do it)? I can see two reasons for paying extra for an armed security over more passive and cheaper security such as cameras, alarm systems and unarmed security. One is that it made customers feel safer and they would pick Walgreens to do business at rather than a competitor. Or that the presence of a visibly armed individual would cause the criminal to pick their competitors to rob or commit other crimes at. My supposition, which I admittedly have no evidence to back up, is that Walgreens felt they needed armed security as a deterrent to the criminal with the secondary reason being the added benefit of making customers feel safer to shop there.
Now, to the real meat of the discussion. Your post illustrates that there are no absolute in life, only odds. To me, carrying a firearm in everyday life is like playing poker with 4 kings and a joker. Does holding 4 kings and a joker, hidden from the other players, completely by itself, do anything to keep the other players from betting against me? Well, if you take into account that it denies them the kings and joker, maybe a tiny little bit - but not really all that much. The hidden cards can't do anything to keep the other players from betting against me, although there may be other tell tale signs that I might give off that they don't want to bet against me, but I can also give those tell tales signs without holding the 4 kings and joker. The 4 kings and the joker, hidden from the other players, only very greatly increases the odds that I will win the hand. And that certainly is a very good thing.
But, what if I am dealt 4 kings and a joker and immediately show all the other players what I have? What have I done? I have very greatly decreased that chances that anyone will bet against me. When dealing with criminals and protecting my family, my number 1 goal is to prevent the criminal from ever attacking me to begin with, my number 2 goal is to win the fight if they do choose to attack. If I show that I have been dealt 4 kings and a joker, does that completely eliminate those that will bet against me? No, it doesn't. There might just be that guy that has 4 aces and the other joker. There might be that guy that wants to try to bluff me and make me think he has 4 aces and the other joker. There might be that guy that just wants to lose it all anyway. But the odds that nobody will bet against the 4 kings and joker that I show them far, far, many times outweigh the odds that someone will even bet against me to begin with.
I know that my openly carried firearm won't keep every criminal from attacking me. But there are no absolutes in life, so I don't count on absolutes - I play the odds. And, of course, location and environment affect the odds as well - if you are playing poker with two decks of cards, the 4 kings and joker only have 1/2 the chance of winning the hand. But in my environment and my location, I don't really have to worry all that much about their being two decks of cards because I don't live in a gang infested, high crime rate cesspool.
BC1
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I had an interesting conversation last night with two friends; one former military and the other an attorney. The conversation got around to OC. The ex-marine thought OC was a very bad idea. The attorney, who is a former NYC DA and a liberal with both NYS and NYC carry permits objected. He went-on to explain a myriad of reasons the open carrier has a clearly higher deterrent factor. He said after prosecuting violent crime for many years he is convinced that the perp will choose an easier target. Short of walking the ghetto OC, at night and alone he thought it to be a very effective deterrent. He says his clients have always said of they knew the victim was armed they would have picked someone else.
Vegaman
New member
I frankly don't understand the whole OC vs. CC argument. As BluesStringer says, sometimes gun owners are their own worst enemies. I do not think I personally would open carry, I just don't want the attention. But that doesn't mean open carry is wrong or someone using that method is attention seeking. Instead of attacking anyone that open carry's, how about accepting that just because its not for you doesn't make it wrong. To me, dismissing open carry is as ridiculous as saying "Glocks are better than 1911s, so no one should be allowed to have a 1911". And as BC1's post points out, I'm not even sure how you can dismiss the deterrent factor. Criminals really aren't that stupid... why would they ever try and rob the person with a gun on their hip when the next 10 people don't have one visible?
golddigger14s
SFC At Fort Lewis, WA
What attention?? In five years of OC I've had a handful of questions, and a handful of positive comments. Most people are too oblivious. Then again, you are in NY so my point is moot. Anyway..............My condolences.
Exactly Golddigger....
I'm in Ohio where open carry is legal. Though I have a permit to conceal, I open carry all the time. I just don't see even making this an issue among us. To each his own and really, it's not that big a deal in the general public anyhow. Might different if it were an AK however.
This sounds like a legitimate question. I have been CC for 5 months and have wondered why too.
What sounds like a legitimate question and what have you wondered why about?
If you are referring to the one and only post that the OP - Horseman, who probably should have picked Jackass for a screen name instead - made, his (or her) question was answered many times over in this and other threads. If you are referring to the question that Eidolon posted in response, he was actually asking what purpose did the OP serve by making his one and only post. Clearly the OP - Horseman - simply wanted to make it clear what a jackass he/she is.
