Vacation Travel Carry Question


Firefighterchen

OC for Tactical Advantage
Unfortunately we are losing our blessings one initiative at a time.

The initiatives that are being openly violated? I'm glad it passed, it lit the fire that we so desperately needed.

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NavyLCDR

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what nonsense! if the woman is not permitted to possess a firearm the fact that it is unloaded without ammo has little meaning

Ahhh...but what if it isn't REGISTERED to her?!? Oh, wait, there is no firearms registration in Indiana, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky or Tennessee..... never mind.
 

bofh

Banned
As long as the firearm is unloaded together with empty magazines in a locked case in the car trunk (or rear) and the ammunition is located in a different compartment (or another locked case), both inaccessible to the driver while sitting in the driver seat, your wife is fine to transport the firearm: NRA-ILA | Guide To The Interstate Transportation and Handgunlaw.us. There are no legal issues for transporting an unloaded firearm through Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee (The Patron State of Shootin' Stuff), Georgia, and Florida.
 

NavyLCDR

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and the ammunition is located in a different compartment (or another locked case), both inaccessible to the driver while sitting in the driver sea

There is no requirement for the ammo to be in a separate compartment or container.
 

Arc Angel

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NavyLCDR, Please don't let me stop you from doing whatever it is that you think best for yourself. It's not going to make any difference, whatsoever, to me and mine.

Years ago one of these gung-ho gun forum nitwits got himself taken down in a mall parking lot in my, then NJ, hometown. Know what the idiot did? He was walking around the mall wearing an empty holster. (His idea of protesting NJ's strict firearms laws.) One of the sheeple called; the police showed up in force, and he was cuffed at gunpoint. Ultimately, he got, somewhat, lucky and wasn't arrested.

The police gave him a summons for disturbing the peace, instead; and, when he went to court, the judge he had to appear before told the jerk that if he ever did anything stupid like that again while inside his jurisdiction, he'd find him guilty of making terroristic threats and, possibly, inciting to riot! His first time up he only got a, somewhat expensive, fine. The sad part is that I had warned him not to do it; but, as usual with these, 'patriots' he didn't listen, and had to find out the hard way. (It's a free country - Right!)

I should tell you the story of what the New Jersey State Police did to my former auto mechanic and his wife after they were pulled over while on the way to his parents' house, one Thanksgiving. Ever been stripped searched? He made an honest mistake; and what a $30,000.00 dollar oversight that turned out to be! (Not to mention the criminal record he still has to get expunged. His lawyer, alone, took $18,000.00 in order to, more or less, get him out of that one!

Then there is my former business associate from New Hampshire. He didn't understand that you can't just transport hollow point ammunition around with you while you're visiting New Jersey. The judge in this one fined him $1,000.00 dollars per hollow point found in his possession. (The lawyer gave him a break, though, and only charged him $6,000.00.)

(Like I said, though, I really don't care whatever it might be that you decide to do.)
 

Firefighterchen

OC for Tactical Advantage
NavyLCDR, Please don't let me stop you from doing whatever it is that you think best for yourself. It's not going to make any difference, whatsoever, to me and mine.

Years ago one of these gung-ho gun forum nitwits got himself taken down in a mall parking lot in my, then NJ, hometown. Know what the idiot did? He was walking around the mall wearing an empty holster. (His idea of protesting NJ's strict firearms laws.) One of the sheeple called; the police showed up in force, and he was cuffed at gunpoint. Ultimately, he got, somewhat, lucky and wasn't arrested.

The police gave him a summons for disturbing the peace, instead; and, when he went to court, the judge he had to appear before told the jerk that if he ever did anything stupid like that again while inside his jurisdiction, he'd find him guilty of making terroristic threats and, possibly, inciting to riot! His first time up he only got a, somewhat expensive, fine. The sad part is that I had warned him not to do it; but, as usual with these, 'patriots' he didn't listen, and had to find out the hard way. (It's a free country - Right!)

I should tell you the story of what the New Jersey State Police did to my former auto mechanic and his wife after they were pulled over while on the way to his parents' house, one Thanksgiving. Ever been stripped searched? He made an honest mistake; and what a $30,000.00 dollar oversight that turned out to be! (Not to mention the criminal record he still has to get expunged. His lawyer, alone, took $18,000.00 in order to, more or less, get him out of that one!

Then there is my former business associate from New Hampshire. He didn't understand that you can't just transport hollow point ammunition around with you while you're visiting New Jersey. The judge in this one fined him $1,000.00 dollars per hollow point found in his possession. (The lawyer gave him a break, though, and only charged him $6,000.00.)

(Like I said, though, I really don't care whatever it might be that you decide to do.)

No wonder New Jersey will never be free...the few gun owners with a backbone get tossed under the bus by the rest of the spineless gun owners.

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NavyLCDR

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NavyLCDR, Please don't let me stop you from doing whatever it is that you think best for yourself. It's not going to make any difference, whatsoever, to me and mine.

Years ago one of these gung-ho gun forum nitwits got himself taken down in a mall parking lot in my, then NJ, hometown.

I'm sorry, did I miss where the OP said they were traveling to NJ? See, one of the biggest problems we have in the rest of the country is what is known as "spillage" or "leakage". That's when someone from NJ, NY, DC, CA like to think that the rest of the US is like their home states. You know, things like firearms registration. In the states the OP is traveling in/through if the wife transports her husband's unloaded handgun in the trunk, with ammunition right next to (including even in magazines), or the unloaded gun and ammunition are in a (single) locked case, she will be complying with Federal law, FOPA, and all the states' laws she will be traveling through/in. Not only that, 99% of the police in those wouldn't ask about the presence of a gun during a traffic stop and if they did and she said there is an unloaded handgun locked in the trunk, or in a locked case, the police would have no authority to search the locked case or trunk anyway, absent something else that would give them probable cause and then they would have to get her consent or a search warrant.

It's just not that big of a deal outside the socialist/police states and we would appreciate keeping the spillage over to the remaining free states at a minimum.
 

BC1

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Ahhh...but what if it isn't REGISTERED to her?!? Oh, wait, there is no firearms registration in Indiana, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky or Tennessee..... never mind.
What happens if she stops overnight in a state that requires a permit? Must the trip be uninterrupted or can she have a lay-over?
 

BC1

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I'm sorry, did I miss where the OP said they were traveling to NJ? See, one of the biggest problems we have in the rest of the country is what is known as "spillage" or "leakage". That's when someone from NJ, NY, DC, CA like to think that the rest of the US is like their home states. You know, things like firearms registration. In the states the OP is traveling in/through if the wife transports her husband's unloaded handgun in the trunk, with ammunition right next to (including even in magazines), or the unloaded gun and ammunition are in a (single) locked case, she will be complying with Federal law, FOPA, and all the states' laws she will be traveling through/in. Not only that, 99% of the police in those wouldn't ask about the presence of a gun during a traffic stop and if they did and she said there is an unloaded handgun locked in the trunk, or in a locked case, the police would have no authority to search the locked case or trunk anyway, absent something else that would give them probable cause and then they would have to get her consent or a search warrant.

It's just not that big of a deal outside the socialist/police states and we would appreciate keeping the spillage over to the remaining free states at a minimum.
Yup. In NY she can drive through but can't stop overnight.
 

Arc Angel

New member
No wonder New Jersey will never be free...the few gun owners with a backbone get tossed under the bus by the rest of the spineless gun owners.
Backbone has nothing to do with this; however, brains might! After you reach a certain age in life the concept that, 'If something can go wrong it often will go wrong' begins to take on more relevance. Frankly I get sick 'n tired of other gun owners telling me that they are standing up for my gun rights. I have never asked anyone to stand up for my rights; and I have to wonder where all of these cyberspace heroes have been whenever I genuinely needed someone else to watch, 'my six'? Internet bravado and angst makes great gun forum reading; but, so far, I've never seen it count for much in, 'real time'. :wink:

NavyLCDR, It doesn't matter where the OP is traveling to. What matters is what might go wrong; and lots and lots of things can, and sometimes do, go wrong. The OP is obviously a thoughtful and careful person. I think it very wise of him to solicit opinions from other gun owners. I gave him good advice based on several incidents I'm familiar from right here in my own part of the country.

(I could have told the OP about the airline passengers whose planes stopped over at NYC airports and Eliot Spitzer's police promptly carted them off to Manhattan's Tombs prison, sometimes for as long as 6 to 9 months, where they awaited trial for having an otherwise legally owned and transported firearm inside their checked luggage! (Yes, these events really happened, and not so long ago too. It's reasons like these that caused me to caution the OP to always do as much as possible to play by whatever state's gun laws.)
 

Firefighterchen

OC for Tactical Advantage
Backbone has nothing to do with this; however, brains might! After you reach a certain age in life the concept that, 'If something can go wrong it often will go wrong' begins to take on more relevance. Frankly I get sick 'n tired of other gun owners telling me that they are standing up for my gun rights. I have never asked anyone to stand up for my rights; and I have to wonder where all of these cyberspace heroes have been whenever I genuinely needed someone else to watch, 'my six'? Internet bravado and angst makes great gun forum reading; but, so far, I've never seen it count for much in, 'real time'. :wink:

If you were ever in a position to defend your rights, you would have met those that would have "your six."

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NavyLCDR

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Backbone has nothing to do with this; however, brains might! After you reach a certain age in life the concept that, 'If something can go wrong it often will go wrong' begins to take on more relevance. Frankly I get sick 'n tired of other gun owners telling me that they are standing up for my gun rights. I have never asked anyone to stand up for my rights; and I have to wonder where all of these cyberspace heroes have been whenever I genuinely needed someone else to watch, 'my six'? Internet bravado and angst makes great gun forum reading; but, so far, I've never seen it count for much in, 'real time'. :wink:

NavyLCDR, It doesn't matter where the OP is traveling to. What matters is what might go wrong; and lots and lots of things can, and sometimes do, go wrong. The OP is obviously a thoughtful and careful person. I think it very wise of him to solicit opinions from other gun owners. I gave him good advice based on several incidents I'm familiar from right here in my own part of the country.

(I could have told the OP about the airline passengers whose planes stopped over at NYC airports and Eliot Spitzer's police promptly carted them off to Manhattan's Tombs prison, sometimes for as long as 6 to 9 months, where they awaited trial for having an otherwise legally owned and transported firearm inside their checked luggage! (Yes, these events really happened, and not so long ago too. It's reasons like these that caused me to caution the OP to always do as much as possible to play by whatever state's gun laws.)

Sounds like you have more odds of encountering a police officer that is going to hassle you about your gun than you do needing to use your gun to defend yourself with against a criminal, so why not just "play it safe" and leave the gun at home? What if a criminal approaches you and you draw your gun and the criminal runs away and someone calls 911 and the cops arrest you for threatening and/or brandishing what they claim is just a homeless panhandler asking for a handout? What's the difference in you legally carrying your gun, in accordance with state laws, by having a permit/license and the OP's wife legally transporting an unloaded gun by doing everything the law requires....just nothing extra?
 

apvbguy

New member
What happens if she stops overnight in a state that requires a permit? Must the trip be uninterrupted or can she have a lay-over?

she cannot stop in states like NY, NJ and many others. FOPA will somewhat protect a gun carrier if they are traveling through libturd land without stopping
 

Arc Angel

New member
Sounds like you have more odds of encountering a police officer that is going to hassle you about your gun than you do needing to use your gun to defend yourself with against a criminal, so why not just "play it safe" and leave the gun at home? What if a criminal approaches you and you draw your gun and the criminal runs away and someone calls 911 and the cops arrest you for threatening and/or brandishing what they claim is just a homeless panhandler asking for a handout? What's the difference in you legally carrying your gun, in accordance with state laws, by having a permit/license and the OP's wife legally transporting an unloaded gun by doing everything the law requires....just nothing extra?

Are you completely hopeless; or do you just like to argue?
 

BC1

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I could have told the OP about the airline passengers whose planes stopped over at NYC airports and Eliot Spitzer's police promptly carted them off to Manhattan's Tombs prison, sometimes for as long as 6 to 9 months, where they awaited trial for having an otherwise legally owned and transported firearm inside their checked luggage! (Yes, these events really happened, and not so long ago too. It's reasons like these that caused me to caution the OP to always do as much as possible to play by whatever state's gun laws.
I can't find anyone who was jailed without bail for possessing a gun at the airport. Can you show me where I might find it?
 

NavyLCDR

New member
Are you completely hopeless; or do you just like to argue?

I don't like to argue, I like to present factual information so that people can make informed decisions. However, I find this widely accepted idea that we as citizens must go above and beyond what the law requires in order to protect ourselves from "What might go wrong" if a police officer or other agent of the government should decide to harass us for our lawful possession and transportation of personal property to be intolerable. America has become land of the serf, home of the fearful. Fear of government reprisal for legal behavior has become "reasonable" and "common sense".
 

vernsimpson

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Arc, very wise words can be found in Navy LCDR's posts. His posts are generally well-researched, based in facts and spot-on.

I have to agree with BC! Navy always puts out good info. I know many do not like the info because it does not fit what they want the law, rules or their wishes on laws and rules. But Navy does very good research and posts facts.
 

apvbguy

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I can't find anyone who was jailed without bail for possessing a gun at the airport. Can you show me where I might find it?

there have been numerous cases at all the NYC/NJ airports, the most infamous was a guy who missed a connecting flight at ewr and had to spend the night at a hotel, he wanted to change clothes and have toiletries so he took possession of his luggage which contained weapons. the next day when he checked in and declared the weapons he was arrested and spent about 5 nights in the essex county jail.
 

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