Not to get off on a tirade here.
Several of the LEOs went to school with my sons, and those future LEOs were dope smoking drug dealers, drunks, and thieves for quite a few years. Now they are driving Crown Vics and bitching about us going 3 mph over the limit while going down hills, etc. When I grew up in yankeeland, the old folks always said that the LEOs were the past criminals because they knew how criminals operate, so they make good cops. Maybe so?
I just don't understand why so many people here are getting so defensive about showing an LEO their CHL. He is going to know as soon as he runs your DL anyway.QUOTE]
I was a cop for about ten years and always wanted folks to tell me. I was a nice guy and would thank them for having a tool they might later use to help me if they saw me in a gunfight.
NOW though, I have a different perspective. I think it is the principle of the issue. Governments always tend to disarm their citizens, and when it happens, even temporarily, it strikes a raw spot in a freedom-lovers heart. "Your papers sir!" Most nice cops are OK folks, but they ARE the gummint!Just because another person puts on a blue costume with a pretty star-shaped piece of decoration on the front, s/he is a person and I am a person. I would never initiate force against a peaceful person, but they just have by halting my movement. Now they want to disarm me? I know, I sound like a Voluntaryist! lol leasantry:
I'm not realy sure. Maybe since this topic has been beaten to death several times, on this thread as well as others, it is time to mention CCW Badges and whether or not to carry with a round in the chamber.
I guess the law is you have to inform the police you have a carry permit even if you are not carrying..
I have yet to see ANY state that required you to inform if you are NOT armed at the time.
OK, what does that have to do w/ the topic at hand?
Are you sure about all that not answering etc. If you are pulled over for a traffic violation it is my understanding that you can be carried to jail, I know it is rare but possible at least here in SC. Also in SC you are required to present your permit if asked for ID and are carrying but the permit is not tied into either the drivers license or vehicle license plates. As for them being tied to vehicle license I think is stupid as the car I drive is in my wife's name and the one she normally drives is in mine. I also drive a state owned car at times.
I imagine that if you are pulled over for a traffic violation and refuse to do or say anything other than hand the officer your license, registration and insurance card it is going to be a long exciting day for you.
I just reread this entire thread. It is obvious that each of us has feeling, ideas, and viewpoints that might differ.
I have been stopped several times for minor traffic violations in the past 20 years. I have also discussed this gun/ traffic stop situation with several officers in AR. Here is the jist I try to adhere to:
Experience has shown me that a LEO having a bad day is something that I just have to deal with. Be courteous and calm. NO profanity at all. period. No hell or damn. Some of these men are strong Christians and frown upon people who have bad mouths. It is just one more negative against you.
ASP want to be called "Trooper" not officer. I get their name off their tag and use their name several times, Trooper Smith, so I remember it. That also denotes respect for their job.
"Good afternoon Trooper Smith. Is there a problem Sir?"
When you see the blue lights
1) take you foot off the gas
2) click on your turn signal to pull over
3) turn on your dome light so he can see who is in the car. A good habit even in the day time.
Don't make any furtive movements.
4) slow down and find a very wide, safe place to pull off, or if necessary pull slightly up a side road......
so HE won't have to stand with his ass on the highway... OR
so that both of you won't have to stand between cars and get squashed if his gets rear-ended. (They reeeeally appreciate this when I explained it to them= I laughingly say "I saw all those videos on the internet", they usually laugh)
5) keep both hands in sight on the wheel until he gets to the window- don't make a bunch of furtive movements= don't reach for your glove box, or your wallet. Keep your seat belt fastened until he sees it.
6) open the window when asked
7) tell him where your ID is located, Tell LEO that I have a CCW.
Unhook seat belt, get wallet out ID slowly, keep one hand on the wheel.
Experience has shown me that a LEO having a bad day is something that I have to deal with. Be courteous.
8) If he asks, I tell him where the weapon is: right hip/ under the armrest, etc.
9) Hand the LEO your DL, CCW, insurance card= kept together in my wallet.
I have my insurance and registration in a BRIGHT RED envelope, easily found, over my sun visor so I don't have to dig around in the glove box.
Easy to find when nervous or at night.
10) Hand him the ins and registration.
Experience has shown me that a LEO having a bad day is something that I have to deal with. Be courteous.
When one upset red faced ASP demanded that I hand him my weapon, I refused, stating that I was not going to reach for and hand him a loaded weapon.
When more than one Trooper/ county has asked me why I did not stop sooner, I pointed out that I was searching for a safer place to pull off so that HE did not have to stand with his azz on the highway. He liked that idea. It defused the situation. Not many wide places up in the hills.
When another asked me to get out and come to the rear of the car, I suggested that we stand at the side of the road and watch oncoming traffic because we could be splattered. "I've seen those videos on the internet" (he liked that idea) It defused the situation.
I've had some Jack-Boot experiences too. Cited on other threads.
Note that when carrying in any other state, I always offer my CCW with DL. They are honoring OUR CCW, which requires us to show CCW with DL. I comply with AR CCW, regardless of the state of occurance. That's the law.
Thanks for reading. I hope this helps someone.
Lots of good advice there but I do have to ask, is there some reason why you have so much experience? You seem to get pulled over much more than the average driver.
Lots of good advice there but I do have to ask, is there some reason why you have so much experience? You seem to get pulled over much more than the average driver.
There is no law that compels you to answer a police officer's questions, and they can't arrest you for not answering. Just because they're wearing a badge doesn't give them the power to question you about any particular thing they feel like. "Sir, what did you have for breakfast this morning? What, you don't want to answer? You don't have anything to hide, do you?"
This type of tolerance for police harassment is sometimes prevalent on internet gun forums, where people tend to worship Authority and police power. I find it pretty distasteful.
-ishi
Sure its distasteful. But keeping it friendly and going your way quickly sure beats dealing with a ticked off police officer. You can declare "I know my rights" the entire time the police officer exercises his right to detain you.
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