Signs of the End of the Age & The Last Generation

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Blue and Farm,
Does your church pay county property taxes, or are they exempt?


No XD our church does not pay county property taxes! I am assuming you will NOT like the reason WHY because it does not fit your agenda. We lease our space in an impoverished area which supports the economy of that community.

Without owning buildings and property we are free to use the donations received for ministry work... furthermore our model resembles that of the New Testament Church along with our Founding Fathers example.

Staff is bivocational so we all pay taxes unlike the well documented liberal hucksters like Sharpton.

We take no partners (nor grants) who do not believe Jesus to be the Christ..period.





sinful nature is always hostile to God....
 
I didn't. I deleted because I didn't want it to be read that way. That's my fault. Feeling perpetually offended is yours.

Sure, like the "poke" to which you previously referred (and deleted) is the only evidence ever appearing on this board that you regularly insult, ridicule, indict or poke Christians to your heart's content. Is any of the other evidence of same your fault too? Suggesting that taking anything you say the way the English language dictates it should be taken is the fault of the reader and not of the writer is nothing short of deflection and projection. Just because we're Christians doesn't mean we can't see earthly truths too.

Blues
 
Why "poke" or indict others at all, simply for not believing as you do? Why can't you people just leave us alone? Like maybe go start an atheist thread. Would you like to guess how many Christians would invade such a thread, incessantly insulting/poking/ridiculing/indicting y'all for years on end?

XD, the churches of which I spoke previously do not pay property taxes, and are not 501(c)(3) or (4) exempt either, nor do they exempt themselves from sales taxes.

I moved less than two months ago. I have not found a church here yet, but when I do, it will either be the same as the ones in the Huntsville area that I attended, or I will study here at home. I will never be a member of a corporate church.

Blues

Well, one could ask you why you don't go start a theist thread. Anyway, the world would be a boring place if we all just avoided talking to those that disagree with us, huh?
 
Why "poke" or indict others at all, simply for not believing as you do? Why can't you people just leave us alone? Like maybe go start an atheist thread. Would you like to guess how many Christians would invade such a thread, incessantly insulting/poking/ridiculing/indicting y'all for years on end?

XD, the churches of which I spoke previously do not pay property taxes, and are not 501(c)(3) or (4) exempt either, nor do they exempt themselves from sales taxes.

I moved less than two months ago. I have not found a church here yet, but when I do, it will either be the same as the ones in the Huntsville area that I attended, or I will study here at home. I will never be a member of a corporate church.

Blues
Why can't I leave you alone? What do you do when you see someone post something blatantly stupid about guns or defensive carry or tactics, just leave then alone? Why do you (christians) seem hell bent on imposing bigotry and bias from your bible onto 100% of the people through passage of civil laws? You personally may or may not be that active, but I bet that if a ballot initiative came up (such as the SSM Amendment 1 in NC a couple of years ago) you would vote to impose your biblical views on 100% of the residents of your state. Preachers were pushing to get in front of the TV news camera at a rally to encourage the passage of christian based hate into law before it came up several years ago. OBTW, the courts have ruled it unconstitutional recently.

Oh, and yes, and I am on an atheists specific forum, and there is a constant stream of trolling theists that argue not with reason or attempt to have a rational discussion, but visceral name calling and insults. Some even so incensed in their rage they resort to all caps.

Sounds like a tax exemption to me. I know for some churches this equals 10's of thousands of dollars a year.
How about the members, do they/you deduct tithing from your income taxes? Be honest, god is watching, right ;)
 
Well, one could ask you why you don't go start a theist thread.

Umm....This is a theist thread, started by a theist and, when allowed to without all the constant anti-religion interruptions, discussed from a mostly-Christian perspective by other Bible-believing and/or religion-tolerant members of this board in as on-topic a manner as any thread can be discussed in the Off-Topic sub-forum.

Anyway, the world would be a boring place if we all just avoided talking to those that disagree with us, huh?

"Leave us alone" refers to the ridiculing and insulting nature of the posts (and posters) that I specifically addressed a couple or three comments to. Ringo, Oldgrunt and others and I have some disagreements about our respective faith, but if and when they show up in a thread like this, we don't ridicule each other over them. We either talk about 'em, or move on to engage in furthering Biblical understanding that this thread was intended to promote. There are many Christians who look at me like I'm from Mars when I talk about my problems with corporate churches. I am part of a tiny minority among the faithful who have ever even considered that there might be a conflict of spiritual interests in seeking favor with man's law at the same time and place that we seek favor with God. It would never occur to me to intentionally insult, ridicule, poke or indict them for their lack of belief in the exact same things I believe in, so your second sentence is as meaningless and inaccurate in its implied accusation as your first.

Why can't I leave you alone?

Yes, that was the question, though it was directed to nosreme, not you.

What do you do when you see someone post something blatantly stupid about guns or defensive carry or tactics, just leave then alone?

First, what does what I do in threads about guns and tactics, subjects which I know a lot about and believe strongly that unfettered access and knowledge of tactics furthers my God-given right to self defense, have to do with my question to nosreme about leaving us alone in threads where the topic is about something that he (and you) don't even believe in?

Second, show me where I've ridiculed or intentionally insulted anybody over simple disagreements about guns or tactics. That ought to keep you busy for....well....forever.

Why do you (christians) seem hell bent on imposing bigotry and bias from your bible onto 100% of the people through passage of civil laws? You personally may or may not be that active, but I bet that if a ballot initiative came up (such as the SSM Amendment 1 in NC a couple of years ago) you would vote to impose your biblical views on 100% of the residents of your state.

The only kind of initiative that I would even consider coming out of voting-retirement for would be one that forced the federal government to abide fully by the Constitution, which would leave marriage out of the purview of government altogether. People, including those who are not Christian, already had/have the right to practice any religion they wish, and if marriage had never been established as something the government had "legitimate" regulatory control over, no same sex couple, no ménage à trois and no atheist would ever even consider the wholly religious institution of marriage, unless of course, they started or joined some religion of which marriage was a part of its tenets. Being the individual liberty-minded person I am, I would never try to get government involved between you and your "religion" and how it handles marriage, because I am not stupid enough to believe that when government gets involved in your religion's practices, they won't come for mine soon thereafter.

So as usual, you are flat out wrong about what I would or would not vote for, support, or speak out for. Whodda thunk it, huh?

Preachers were pushing to get in front of the TV news camera at a rally to encourage the passage of christian based hate into law before it came up several years ago. OBTW, the courts have ruled it unconstitutional recently.

And this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?

Oh, and yes, and I am on an atheists specific forum,

Again, non-responsive. I suggested nosreme start an atheist thread on this forum, and see how many of us invaded it with intentionally insulting and ridiculing tripe.

and there is a constant stream of trolling theists

So you admit that you're a trolling atheist then? I rest my case.

Why can't you just leave us alone?

that argue not with reason or attempt to have a rational discussion, but visceral name calling and insults. Some even so incensed in their rage they resort to all caps.

And this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?

Sounds like a tax exemption to me.

What sounds like tax exemption to you? Trolling Christians on an atheist forum that you belong to? Using all-caps on an atheist forum is the same as attending a tax exempt church? What are you babbling about now?

I know for some churches this equals 10's of thousands of dollars a year.

Some churches it equals millions of dollars per year. So? And this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?

How about the members, do they/you deduct tithing from your income taxes? Be honest, god is watching, right ;)

I am always honest, and try as you might, you aren't clever enough to make me be dishonest in any way, but this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?

Blues
 
Well stated well put and great.

Umm....This is a theist thread, started by a theist and, when allowed to without all the constant anti-religion interruptions, discussed from a mostly-Christian perspective by other Bible-believing and/or religion-tolerant members of this board in as on-topic a manner as any thread can be discussed in the Off-Topic sub-forum.



"Leave us alone" refers to the ridiculing and insulting nature of the posts (and posters) that I specifically addressed a couple or three comments to. Ringo, Oldgrunt and others and I have some disagreements about our respective faith, but if and when they show up in a thread like this, we don't ridicule each other over them. We either talk about 'em, or move on to engage in furthering Biblical understanding that this thread was intended to promote. There are many Christians who look at me like I'm from Mars when I talk about my problems with corporate churches. I am part of a tiny minority among the faithful who have ever even considered that there might be a conflict of spiritual interests in seeking favor with man's law at the same time and place that we seek favor with God. It would never occur to me to intentionally insult, ridicule, poke or indict them for their lack of belief in the exact same things I believe in, so your second sentence is as meaningless and inaccurate in its implied accusation as your first.



Yes, that was the question, though it was directed to nosreme, not you.



First, what does what I do in threads about guns and tactics, subjects which I know a lot about and believe strongly that unfettered access and knowledge of tactics furthers my God-given right to self defense, have to do with my question to nosreme about leaving us alone in threads where the topic is about something that he (and you) don't even believe in?

Second, show me where I've ridiculed or intentionally insulted anybody over simple disagreements about guns or tactics. That ought to keep you busy for....well....forever.



The only kind of initiative that I would even consider coming out of voting-retirement for would be one that forced the federal government to abide fully by the Constitution, which would leave marriage out of the purview of government altogether. People, including those who are not Christian, already had/have the right to practice any religion they wish, and if marriage had never been established as something the government had "legitimate" regulatory control over, no same sex couple, no ménage à trois and no atheist would ever even consider the wholly religious institution of marriage, unless of course, they started or joined some religion of which marriage was a part of its tenets. Being the individual liberty-minded person I am, I would never try to get government involved between you and your "religion" and how it handles marriage, because I am not stupid enough to believe that when government gets involved in your religion's practices, they won't come for mine soon thereafter.

So as usual, you are flat out wrong about what I would or would not vote for, support, or speak out for. Whodda thunk it, huh?



And this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?



Again, non-responsive. I suggested nosreme start an atheist thread on this forum, and see how many of us invaded it with intentionally insulting and ridiculing tripe.



So you admit that you're a trolling atheist then? I rest my case.

Why can't you just leave us alone?



And this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?



What sounds like tax exemption to you? Trolling Christians on an atheist forum that you belong to? Using all-caps on an atheist forum is the same as attending a tax exempt church? What are you babbling about now?



Some churches it equals millions of dollars per year. So? And this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?



I am always honest, and try as you might, you aren't clever enough to make me be dishonest in any way, but this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?

Blues
 
I guess this would be akin to me going to the Brady site or the Moms Demand Action site and posting issues about the joys of guns. I would not so just like Satan giving Holy Communion.
 
Umm....This is a theist thread, started by a theist and, when allowed to without all the constant anti-religion interruptions, discussed from a mostly-Christian perspective by other Bible-believing and/or religion-tolerant members of this board in as on-topic a manner as any thread can be discussed in the Off-Topic sub-forum.
Nor does it give any topic special privledges to ban or silence other view points. Read the rules "Below you will find a list of discussions in the Off-Topic forums at the USA Carry - Concealed Carry Forum. The Off-Topic forum Anything NOT related to firearms and concealed or open carry. This can be about sports, jokes, anything that stays within the rules of the site. NO POLITICS!" The politics is a recent addition.



Yes, that was the question, though it was directed to nosreme, not you.
Didn't seem to stop you when I responded to Farmhood and you jumped in :wink:



The only kind of initiative that I would even consider coming out of voting-retirement for would be one that forced the federal government to abide fully by the Constitution, which would leave marriage out of the purview of government altogether. People, including those who are not Christian, already had/have the right to practice any religion they wish, and if marriage had never been established as something the government had "legitimate" regulatory control over, no same sex couple, no ménage à trois and no atheist would ever even consider the wholly religious institution of marriage, unless of course, they started or joined some religion of which marriage was a part of its tenets. Being the individual liberty-minded person I am, I would never try to get government involved between you and your "religion" and how it handles marriage, because I am not stupid enough to believe that when government gets involved in your religion's practices, they won't come for mine soon thereafter.

So as usual, you are flat out wrong about what I would or would not vote for, support, or speak out for. Whodda thunk it, huh?
Yep, not an answer in sight.

But when states choose to inject hate from the bible into civil law, then the US Constitution must overrule such hate born ignorance. Just like segregation, women's right, even the laws banning interracial marriage. Some people may put a great deal of importance to the religious aspect of marriage, but that is meaningless legally (where it is most important) over the legal aspects of marriage, from financial, medical care, taxes, end of life, survivor benefits and rights. Why are christians so uptight over how genitalia factor into marriage?



And this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?
Nor does it give any topic special privileges to ban or silence other view points. Read the rules "Below you will find a list of discussions in the Off-Topic forums at the USA Carry - Concealed Carry Forum. The Off-Topic forum Anything NOT related to firearms and concealed or open carry. This can be about sports, jokes, anything that stays within the rules of the site. NO POLITICS!" The politics is a recent addition.




Again, non-responsive. I suggested nosreme start an atheist thread on this forum, and see how many of us invaded it with intentionally insulting and ridiculing tripe.

Yet another diversion from answering a question.

So you admit that you're a trolling atheist then? I rest my case.

Why can't you just leave us alone?
I would think a theist that had truth faith would welcome debate, yet they seem fearful of facts, reason and rational thought that show how fragile the concept of gods really is. Religion will fail the test of time, and many theists already recognize and fear that. Knowledge is a wonderful thing, unless of course it weakens your stance.


And this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?
Go find one of the highly moderated christian centric forums, this ain't it.



What sounds like tax exemption to you? Trolling Christians on an atheist forum that you belong to? Using all-caps on an atheist forum is the same as attending a tax exempt church? What are you babbling about now?
Legally not paying some or all taxes that would be due, except for the religious/church tax exemption.

Counties and cities could use that revenue to improve services and infrastructure for everyone, and lower taxes for everyone if the churches just paid for the services they receive everyday. They have to pay for fire insurance, why not pay taxes to support the fire department? They call a cop if needed, they have streets and sidewalks, paid for tax dollars, yet pay none.



Some churches it equals millions of dollars per year. So? And this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?
Yes it does pertain to me, because my taxes are higher because of millions that could be collected on some of the most vulgar and lavish houses of worship. Seems counter to poverty that christians say they embrace.

But again, no answer, but the "gist" diversion.



I am always honest, and try as you might, you aren't clever enough to make me be dishonest in any way, but this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?
But not honest enough to answer the question I posed, followed by you attempt to divert attention from that fact. Do you tithe? Do you deduct that from your income taxes? And you fail to answer and accuse me of being unable to follow the gist. Not even a good diversion.

And finally the question you asked 5 times.
Why can't you just leave us alone?
Be christianity is a threat to my freedoms, my future, and those whom I care about, and millions I don't know but feel they have to right to be free of ancient superstitions. Even the spread of disease by children not vacinated because of ignorance of religion based exemptions.

Conflicts between religions threatend the future of mankind and the whole world. And over what, ancient writings from long dead goat herders and substance farmers in times of great lack of knowledge, not even understand why the sun crossed the sky or why people got sick an died. You are smarter than that, yet you cling to such ignorance with a great deal of tenacity.
 
Umm....This is a theist thread, started by a theist and, when allowed to without all the constant anti-religion interruptions, discussed from a mostly-Christian perspective by other Bible-believing and/or religion-tolerant members of this board in as on-topic a manner as any thread can be discussed in the Off-Topic sub-forum.



"Leave us alone" refers to the ridiculing and insulting nature of the posts (and posters) that I specifically addressed a couple or three comments to. Ringo, Oldgrunt and others and I have some disagreements about our respective faith, but if and when they show up in a thread like this, we don't ridicule each other over them. We either talk about 'em, or move on to engage in furthering Biblical understanding that this thread was intended to promote. There are many Christians who look at me like I'm from Mars when I talk about my problems with corporate churches. I am part of a tiny minority among the faithful who have ever even considered that there might be a conflict of spiritual interests in seeking favor with man's law at the same time and place that we seek favor with God. It would never occur to me to intentionally insult, ridicule, poke or indict them for their lack of belief in the exact same things I believe in, so your second sentence is as meaningless and inaccurate in its implied accusation as your first.



Yes, that was the question, though it was directed to nosreme, not you.



First, what does what I do in threads about guns and tactics, subjects which I know a lot about and believe strongly that unfettered access and knowledge of tactics furthers my God-given right to self defense, have to do with my question to nosreme about leaving us alone in threads where the topic is about something that he (and you) don't even believe in?

Second, show me where I've ridiculed or intentionally insulted anybody over simple disagreements about guns or tactics. That ought to keep you busy for....well....forever.



The only kind of initiative that I would even consider coming out of voting-retirement for would be one that forced the federal government to abide fully by the Constitution, which would leave marriage out of the purview of government altogether. People, including those who are not Christian, already had/have the right to practice any religion they wish, and if marriage had never been established as something the government had "legitimate" regulatory control over, no same sex couple, no ménage à trois and no atheist would ever even consider the wholly religious institution of marriage, unless of course, they started or joined some religion of which marriage was a part of its tenets. Being the individual liberty-minded person I am, I would never try to get government involved between you and your "religion" and how it handles marriage, because I am not stupid enough to believe that when government gets involved in your religion's practices, they won't come for mine soon thereafter.

So as usual, you are flat out wrong about what I would or would not vote for, support, or speak out for. Whodda thunk it, huh?



And this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?



Again, non-responsive. I suggested nosreme start an atheist thread on this forum, and see how many of us invaded it with intentionally insulting and ridiculing tripe.



So you admit that you're a trolling atheist then? I rest my case.

Why can't you just leave us alone?



And this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?



What sounds like tax exemption to you? Trolling Christians on an atheist forum that you belong to? Using all-caps on an atheist forum is the same as attending a tax exempt church? What are you babbling about now?



Some churches it equals millions of dollars per year. So? And this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?



I am always honest, and try as you might, you aren't clever enough to make me be dishonest in any way, but this pertains to why you can't leave us to a handful of Christian-centric threads in the Off-Topic forum of USA Carry without constantly insulting and ridiculing the topic we've chosen to participate in, how?

You seem to be having a hard time following the gist of the question that you accurately quoted me asking to start out your post. Why can't you just leave us alone?

Blues

No, sorry. This is not a theist thread. This is an "end times" thread. There are actually numerous posts in this thread by people that aren't theists. Nothing about this thread makes it a theist thread.

I wholly agree that anyone who is disrespectful or insulting should not be welcome, but I feel that should apply to theists and atheists alike. It should not apply to all atheists simply because they are not theistic.
 
I wholly agree that anyone who is disrespectful or insulting should not be welcome, but I feel that should apply to theists and atheists alike. It should not apply to all atheists simply because they are not theistic.

Like I said, I addressed the "leave us alone" comment specifically to those who come into religious threads only to insult, ridicule, poke and indict. So I guess we're in agreement then, nosreme, XD, nodogs and whoever else fits that description should either leave of their own accord, or have some discipline imposed upon them, right? Yeah, right.

Blues
 
Like I said, I addressed the "leave us alone" comment specifically to those who come into religious threads only to insult, ridicule, poke and indict. So I guess we're in agreement then, nosreme, XD, nodogs and whoever else fits that description should either leave of their own accord, or have some discipline imposed upon them, right? Yeah, right.

Blues

Right. Anyone who doesn't treat others with respect should knock it off.
 
I guess this would be akin to me going to the Brady site or the Moms Demand Action site and posting issues about the joys of guns. I would not so just like Satan giving Holy Communion.

Actually it's would be more like going to those sites and posting about the joys of (as an example) hamburgers.

This is a site dedicated to guns and gun rights, not religion. Discussion of religion is as off-topic here as hamburgers are to those anti-gun sites.
 
OFF topic, wait, I think I will go to the post new thread on off topic and talk of military size assault burgers. Link Removed

Now this is my military style assault 'Tater,

Actually it's would be more like going to those sites and posting about the joys of (as an example) hamburgers.

This is a site dedicated to guns and gun rights, not religion. Discussion of religion is as off-topic here as hamburgers are to those anti-gun sites.
 
OFF topic, wait, I think I will go to the post new thread on off topic and talk of military size assault burgers. Link Removed

Now this is my military style assault 'Tater,

Exactly, OFF-TOPIC. Discussing guns on a pro-gun or anti-gun site is not off topic. Discussing hamburgers or religion on those sites is off-topic.

Sent from my E6782 using USA Carry mobile app
 
Like I said, I addressed the "leave us alone" comment specifically to those who come into religious threads only to insult, ridicule, poke and indict. So I guess we're in agreement then, nosreme, XD, nodogs and whoever else fits that description should either leave of their own accord, or have some discipline imposed upon them, right? Yeah, right.

Blues
These agitators and mockers will never leave and they won't have any discipline imposed upon them. These trolls will be allowed to continue with their garbage tactics until this thread gets shut down just like the politics thread did. Bets anyone?
 
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