"Safe Storage" Laws = Just Another Avenue of Criminalizing Defense

[BluesStringer]

I think children are important and i fight for rights of children and neglected pets.

One cannot fight *for* one group's rights in the same breath that they're arguing to *limit* and/or *deny* another group's rights.

It's none of your damned business how free people decide to store and/or secure their weapons in their own homes. If it's none of your business, it's likewise none of government's business. Stay out of my business, both of you.

 

[gunnerbob]

Make me king, and I will make these changes, in the first 100 days.

Every gun owner / homeowner, every adult in the household must join the state level national guard, and keep their full auto rifles in their safe.

I'm not going to hammer the points already done so by other members about weapons storage but...................

Why do you support conscription? That's slavery, bub.

 

[BC1]

Another provision of the NYS (un)Safe Act required firearm owners secure their weapons if they live with a high-risk person such as the mentally-ill, a convicted felon or other person designated dangerous by the courts. The weapon only need be locked-up when you're not at home. However, one must understand that a person intent on wreaking havoc will get to a weapon regardless of the law. Another law won't stop a loony who's about to break 20 others.

 

[CharlesMorrison]

Another law won't stop a loony who's about to break 20 others.

There can be no better quote than this one above!
This is EXACTLY what the anti's are missing...
Ya can't stop crazy and you cannot legislate morality!
The anti's need to stop all this crap with guns and start teaching the value of human life!

 

[N R A]

I do not know anyone that has safes, that tells others they are fuff-optional. In my gun classes, I tell my students, you need a safe. I tell them if they cannot afford a safe, they cannot afford a gun.
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Do not buy a saddle, and carry it everywhere with you, get a horse to put it on.
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I have a fire rated, bugler rated safe, in my classroom, unused, so students can look at it, in it. I walk the walk. Horse is under my saddle.

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You do not need a thousands of dollars safe, you need something that locks up what you have, and keeps that out of unauthorized hands. Your safe (s) depend on your needs. I have small safes on display also.

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Safes are very important. Every homeowner needs to own a safe or two. Every business owner.
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[N R A]

I do not stop and look both ways at a stop sign, because some law says I should, I do it, because it is prudent to do so. I look both ways at every intersection I cross. Again, prudent. However, I am grateful we have a system of laws in place, installing, and monitoring stop signs. The masses need stop signs. Just the way it is.
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[CharlesMorrison]

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[gunnerbob]

N R A, nice pic of you(?) bringing your saddle in. The image oozes what American Liberty should be.

 

[N R A]

N R A, nice pic of you(?) bringing your saddle in. The image oozes what American Liberty should be.

Google images

 

[S&W645]

http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/i/atf-i-5300-2.pdf The State Laws in most cases follow Federal Law. So even if you claim there is no State Law saying you must keep the gun under control, you can still be charged with a Federal crime unless you follow what is in the link. And no, I don't agree with the OP on State National Guard service, there still should be the militia requirement. Because the militia is everyone from 18 to say 55.

 

[BluesStringer]

http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/i/atf-i-5300-2.pdf The State Laws in most cases follow Federal Law. So even if you claim there is no State Law saying you must keep the gun under control, you can still be charged with a Federal crime unless you follow what is in the link. And no, I don't agree with the OP on State National Guard service, there still should be the militia requirement. Because the militia is everyone from 18 to say 55.

Don't disagree with anything you say here, but the "OP" isn't about Guard service, or even the prudence or wisdom of storing one's guns in a safe. It's about safe storage laws that, if enforced or interpreted to be all-inclusive no matter the circumstances, could've put Grandpa in jail even though the kid who did the shooting was otherwise perfectly legal.

My impression of David Codrea's piece is that he's intending to highlight the danger to gun owners with such idiotic mandates in the name of "safety." My further impression as this thread has developed, is that N R A, just like the .org that is his namesake, couldn't care less about the dangers such laws create because of some pretzel logic that equates safe storage laws that extend into private homes with stop signs used to control traffic on public roadways. He's all for big-government, statist solutions to "problems" that are statistically so minuscule as to not have a separate line-item in the FBI crime statistics, that is, minors who use guns in legal self defense.

In short, N R A (and his namesake) would have Grandpa arrested and convicted on a felony that would result in him being disarmed by the state, rather than patting Grandpa on the back for whatever he had to do with raising a good, responsible 14 year old who only used Gramps' gun in self-defense, rather than for horseplay or criminal activity.

My thought is that if N R A is going to be given any attention whatsoever for the bottom-line gist of his posts in this thread, it should be brought back to the 14 year old in the OP and he should be forced to answer what he thinks should happen to Gramps or the kid in that specific case.

I've seen videos and heard several interviews with pre-teen little girls who are more supportive of the unabridged 2nd Amendment than N R A or the N R A, and I'd be more inclined to pay for instruction from one of them than from him.

Blues

 

[N R A]

In Katrina guns with no heavy duty safe were stolen or confiscated. Pretty difficult to confiscate something you cannot see or touch. So far in this country, no matter the emergency, police have not ordered the opening of safes.

When it gets to that point, i say we open the safes and give it to them. Both barrels.

 

[S&W645]

In Katrina guns with no heavy duty safe were stolen or confiscated. Pretty difficult to confiscate something you cannot see or touch. So far in this country, no matter the emergency, police have not ordered the opening of safes.

When it gets to that point, i say we open the safes and give it to them. Both barrels.

What right did the police have to break into houses that were locked? That is what they did in some cases. An entire home secured that is broken into by the cops is no different than them breaking into a safe. And there are very few gun safes that I couldn't be into in under 1/2 hour. I won't post how but nothing I would be using would be illegal to do it with. Built in vaults are a different story.

 

[Bikenut]

I really get tired of having people tell me what I either ... need... to do or what I ...must.. do in order to stop other people from doing bad things with my stuff. It's as if they think I'm responsible for the bad things other people do.

What really torques me off is when folks claim they are all for supporting rights..... but then come back with "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable", restrictions to those rights that I must endure.

 

[N R A]

We are responcible to a large degree for the bad things people do on our watch.

You are a city bus driver and a guy waiting on the curb has an axe with dripping blood on it. People around him look injured. Are you going to make your appointed stop, and pick this regular rider up, or keep the door locked and go on by, calling the police?

You know what i get sick and tired of? Dead children on the news because some responcible adult was irresistible.

I also get sick of my gun rights whittled away on because people do not keep control of their guns.

 

[Bikenut]

We are responcible to a large degree for the bad things people do on our watch.

You are a city bus driver and a guy waiting on the curb has an axe with dripping blood on it. People around him look injured. Are you going to make your appointed stop, and pick this regular rider up, or keep the door locked and go on by, calling the police?

You know what i get sick and tired of? Dead children on the news because some responcible adult was irresistible.

I also get sick of my gun rights whittled away on because people do not keep control of their guns.

Typical liberal logic.... start out with some totally irrelevant but super sensational scenario intended to evoke a strong emotional response in an effort to equate that with being responsible for other people's actions THEN use that to justify a measure of gun control using the liberal's favorite emotional hook of... dead children.

I am soooooooo sick and tired of having people use the specter of dead children (shame on you!) to push their gun control agenda ... and yes, you are pushing a gun control agenda! because you are pushing for other people to adhere to a set of storage standards YOU think is "responsible", "appropriate", and "acceptable", ... and those 3 words are the very essence of every gun control measure ever thought of because it is wanting, expecting, and in the case of laws... demanding... others meet your standards.

And I am sick and tired of hearing people say that everyone should store their guns "responsibly" (or carry them "appropriately", keep only the "acceptable" ones, dress and behave "acceptably") the way THEY say is proper.

Gun owners have been browbeaten into thinking that the anti gunners will leave them alone as long as they only buy the guns that other people say are "appropriate", only carry guns in ways that don't "scare" anyone, and only store guns in safes, in order to present an image of "respectability" in order to gain "acceptance". And thus we now have a culture of gun owners cowering in fear of offending people by exercising their natural right to keep and bear arms.

In short... gun owners have been shamed into a mind set of being afraid to exercise their right to keep and bear arms lest doing so should cause someone to push for more restrictions because they were "offended".

 

[BC1]

In Katrina guns with no heavy duty safe were stolen or confiscated. Pretty difficult to confiscate something you cannot see or touch. So far in this country, no matter the emergency, police have not ordered the opening of safes.

When it gets to that point, i say we open the safes and give it to them. Both barrels.

Ordered the opening of safes? Good luck with that. I'm not opening anything. Arrest me.
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I lock my guns when I'm not at home. Not because someone demands I do. And there isn't any member of the family I need be concerned about. I do it in case God forbid someone does burglarize me. I don't want to lose them. Imagine having to rebuy all your stuff? So I lock-up whatever isn't being used.

 

[CharlesMorrison]

We are responcible to a large degree for the bad things people do on our watch.

You are a city bus driver and a guy waiting on the curb has an axe with dripping blood on it. People around him look injured. Are you going to make your appointed stop, and pick this regular rider up, or keep the door locked and go on by, calling the police?

You know what i get sick and tired of? Dead children on the news because some responcible adult was irresistible.

I also get sick of my gun rights whittled away on because people do not keep control of their guns.

All right! That does it....

You have officially crossed into the land of lost respect with this post...

Another "Anti-gun lite" poster.
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What else could we expect from the "N. R. A.".....

 

[N R A]

Ordered the opening of safes? Good luck with that. I'm not opening anything. Arrest me. And then try getting the safe out of my basement.

There is a video on you tube of LE entering a home in the Katrina aftermath. They were rounding up people to evaluate and were confiscating guns. This woman was refusing to leave her home. Elderly woman. She was not combative, just wanted to stay. When the officer asked her if she had a gun, she reached out and picked up a rifle leaning unnoticed against the wall. Her actions were slow and very much non threatening. The officer saw the gun and took her down hard to the floor. Very uncalled for.

 

[N R A]

Typical liberal logic.... start out with some totally irrelevant but super sensational scenario intended to evoke a strong emotional response in an effort to equate that with being responsible for other people's actions THEN use that to justify a measure of gun control using the liberal's favorite emotional hook of... dead children.

I am soooooooo sick and tired of having people use the specter of dead children (shame on you!) to push their gun control agenda ... and yes, you are pushing a gun control agenda! because you are pushing for other people to adhere to a set of storage standards YOU think is "responsible", "appropriate", and "acceptable", ... and those 3 words are the very essence of every gun control measure ever thought of because it is wanting, expecting, and in the case of laws... demanding... others meet your standards.

And I am sick and tired of hearing people say that everyone should store their guns "responsibly" (or carry them "appropriately", keep only the "acceptable" ones, dress and behave "acceptably") the way THEY say is proper.

Gun owners have been browbeaten into thinking that the anti gunners will leave them alone as long as they only buy the guns that other people say are "appropriate", only carry guns in ways that don't "scare" anyone, and only store guns in safes, in order to present an image of "respectability" in order to gain "acceptance". And thus we now have a culture of gun owners cowering in fear of offending people by exercising their natural right to keep and bear arms.

In short... gun owners have been shamed into a mind set of being afraid to exercise their right to keep and bear arms lest doing so should cause someone to push for more restrictions because they were "offended".

It is liberal to not lock up your guns, it is conservative to lock them in safes. You have that notion backwards.