open carry

Saltheart Foamfollower said:
My original statement was that open carriers have said that criminals won't OR don't attack an open carrier because of the deterrence factor. That is not true. Perhaps I phrased it badly.
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Sorry... which part wasn't true? The part where you said that open carriers have told you something, or the part where open carry was a deterrence factor?
Which one was the lie?
 
Saltheart Foamfollower said:
Personally I don't care whether you concealed carry or open carry. I object to the "holier than thou" attitude on both sides. We spend too much time fighting each other and not enough time fighting the anti-gunners.

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If you read my post (quoted above) I stated that I objected to the holier than thou attitude on both sides. Subsequent posts have done nothing to change my opinion on this topic.
 
BluesStringer said:
First, you said that about posters on this forum, and then when called out on the untruth of that statement, you doubled down, repeated the untruth, and said you weren't going to waste your time looking for quotes that substantiated it enough to make it an unassailable true statement. We all know why that is, but apparently the unavailability of the substantiation I requested of you has escaped your notice.

Then you went and found some random quotes that actually proved the untruth of your original statement.

In the quote above you're taking statements that claim nothing more than the potential/probability/possibility of a deterrent value with OC as equating to the poster(s) saying "deterrent" is synonymous with "won't/don't."

Now you say....



No, you made something up and posted it as an unequivocal factual statement that misrepresented every OC'er who has ever posted their rationale for OC'ing on this forum. After being corrected, you doubled down. After doubling down, you told me to "suck it." It's all right here in the thread. The only one confused about what was said and by whom is you. It wasn't "phrased badly," what you said was straight up bovine excrement.



I will ask as politely as I know how.....What is hypocritical about someone stating that they believe there is deterrent value in OC, and then OC'ing in their daily lives to take advantage of whatever deterrent value the practice might provide for them? What is hypocritical in correcting the voluminous mythology that shows up in the Open Carry Discussion forum (IOW - the wrong forum for a CC-only "expert" to spew in) that promulgates the meme that OC'ers will be the first shot, or attacked and have their weapons stolen and/or used against them, when the evidence of such instances actually happening is so minuscule that they are statistically non-existent? For every story that you can find where there's even a remote possibility that the OC'ed weapon was the impetus for whatever crime was attempted against, or actually befell the OC'er, there are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of CC'ers who were either victimized, or had to fight/shoot/injure or kill their victimizer(s).

None of us have been hypocritical about anything concerning OC. We simply prefer it as a method of carry, practice it daily, and if you'd open your eyes you'd notice that many of us have been members on this forum since shortly after it opened (sometime in '07), and none of us have been shot, attacked, taken out first (or at all), and we also don't make up a bunch of caca about the practice of concealed carry and take it to the CC Discussion forum just to ruffle feathers there with bullchit.

You said something snarky earlier about someone not understanding the English language. Perhaps you can look at the dictionary definition of "hypocrisy" and tell us how any of the regular OC'ers on this forum have been hypocritical at all about the fact that we OC?



It never ceases to amaze me that people get tweaked because I quote every passage of their posts that I think needs or deserves a response. It's not "dissecting," it's answering. It's not "bluster," it's replying directly to what was said.

Whatever, if I didn't already know you're willing to pull stuff out of your ass just to win a point in an internet argument, I'd ask you to show me what of my stated views you find to be "extremist." I'll be willing to bet that anything you could point to to demonstrate that notion is something that I either already have, or easily could, give a citation to the Constitution that would make my "extremist" views nothing more or less nefarious than just a simple adherence and compliance with founding principles of this once-great country. I'd further be willing to bet that you would have a very difficult time doing the same for whatever issue(s) you find me to be on the "extremist" side of.

But I already know you don't play honestly or fairly, so nevermind, I am not asking you to substantiate that which I know you can't.



Oh please. You don't respect anything about me, least of all my unmoving conviction(s). For standing on my convictions, you tell me to suck it in one breath, and then tell me you respect them in the next?

Just because you often repeat a lie doesn't mean those in the know will ever believe it to be anything but a lie.

Blues
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Call it what you will. It looks like dissection and bluster to me. But, and I'm sure you will agree with this, you probably don't care what I think.
 
Saltheart Foamfollower said:
Call it what you will. It looks like dissection and bluster to me. But, and I'm sure you will agree with this, you probably don't care what I think.
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Whether or not I care what you think, the above is a non-response response to about 99% of what I wrote in direct reply to things you actually said.

I guess I can settle for 1% agreement though, because you're right, I don't care what a dishonest pot-stirrer thinks of me.

Blues
 
Saltheart Foamfollower said:
If you read my post (quoted above) I stated that I objected to the holier than thou attitude on both sides.
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Like yours when you made that comment about remarks open carriers had not made, and then used said fictitious remarks as justification to call them liars? That kind of holier than thou attitude? You have to at least concede that your comment was antagonistic.
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I agree however with your comment that we spend too much effort fighting amongst ourselves.
 
Saltheart Foamfollower said:
Dishonest? Fucck you. That honest enough for ya?

And I get banned for that, I don't care.
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Nor would I care, but being as I'm not a hypocrite, I will not be the one (or one of the ones) to report it. I've used creative spelling to get around the auto-censors before and gotten away with it, so best of luck to you. Stay or go though, yes, you have been egregiously dishonest throughout the last 26 hours or so worth of posts in this thread, and everybody, including you, knows it.

Blues
 
I have not been dishonest. Unlike you, I'm not a one note song. My opinions are complex and varied.

Like others, I don't need the raised blood pressure. I'm leaving. That should please you. You and your pals can continue to stroke each other.

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Saltheart Foamfollower said:
I have not been dishonest. Unlike you, I'm not a one note song. My opinions are complex and varied.

Like others, I don't need the raised blood pressure. I'm leaving. That should please you. You and your pals can continue to stroke each other.
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Whatever. It is always your decision to stay or go, your attempt to get me to report you so you could blame being forced to leave on me notwithstanding. Couldn't even be honest about that, could you?

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I had this guy pegged weeks ago. Probably the first on this forum to have him on my ignore list, and he was the first person I put on my ignore list.

From everyone's comments, (I won't unhide his posts) I see the full flower has opened, revealing a rotting and stinking nougat within.
 
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