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Why on earth would you walk around downtown Detroit at 1:00 AM?.
Because you just got off work and the bus don't stop in those neighborhoods after dark?
Why on earth would you walk around downtown Detroit at 1:00 AM?.
Facts.... show me where in that article it said that the guy on the bus was OC'ing. I'll save you the trouble.. it doesn't. It only uses careful wording to imply in order to lead you to believe there is some kind of connection between the legal open carriers and the guy on the bus.Stupid guy OC'ing on a bus in Bangor lucky he didn't kill somebody.
That "fact" enough for ya? It's called opportunity. Give a dumb arse the opportunity and he'll use it.
Even if it is to just spout rhetoric in a web forum.
Of course it "is" credible because the numbers are representative samples of the relative populations. Count the number of uniformed LEOs compared to the number of OC'ers you see next time you are out and about. Then do the math.
No, it is an absolutely true and reasonable premise, see comment above, then do some more math.
Figures don't lie, but liars do figure. If you figure numbers that don't exist might make or break your point, maybe you are the one who should be looking for them. Common sense holds up the other end, thank you very much. Sometimes they don't even need a bad guy to bork it up:
Bangor incident shows problem with open carry | Sun Journal
What it shows is the potential problems people with a propensity to play with guns can cause. Open carry just gives them more opportunity to do so.I submit to you that this shows a problem with concealed carry!
Wow! Now there is a response that is a generalized statement with a startling lack of facts but a tremendous amount of fear mongering directed at open carry!!!What it shows is the potential problems people with a propensity to play with guns can cause. Open carry just gives them more opportunity to do so.Originally Posted by carracer View Post
I submit to you that this shows a problem with concealed carry!
Casinos, Greektown, Red Wings, Cobo Hall, the riverfront.
Same reason you would walk around downtown Chicago, New York, Miami, LA or any of a hundred other big cities. Night life.
Just because it is Detroit doesn't mean the entire downtown is bad. It is the criminal element that exists everywhere that is the problem.
Well, at least you got that part right. I forgot to mention, OC also proffers others the opportunity to play with the OC'ers gun, as well.And what your statement really shows is an anti open carry bias.
What it shows is the potential problems people with a propensity to play with guns can cause. Open carry just gives them more opportunity to do so.
Well, at least you got that part right. I forgot to mention, OC also proffers others the opportunity to play with the OC'ers gun, as well.
Some may be interested only in the "confrontation" aspect. Some others, well that has already been clearly outlined for anyone wishing to observe the "facts."
Maybe that means you are just talking "to" my ass? :agree:...are you just talking out of your ass again?
Maybe that means you are just talking "to" my ass? :agree:
Care to back this up with those supportive facts? Or, are you just talking out of your ass again?
Maybe that means you are just talking "to" my ass? :agree:
I'll say it again ... I don't care if folks have an anti open carry bias or if folks think open carry is silly or dangerous since no one is forcing them to do it themselves... but when folks start trash talking open carry for other people.... then...Well, at least you got that part right. I forgot to mention, OC also proffers others the opportunity to play with the OC'ers gun, as well.Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
And what your statement really shows is an anti open carry bias.
Some may be interested only in the "confrontation" aspect. Some others, well that has already been clearly outlined for anyone wishing to observe the "facts."
Why don't you back up your statements with cites and/or links to actual facts that support your positive statements in regards to open carry?Back up your statements with cites and/or links to actual facts that support your negative statements in regards to open carry.
Why don't you back up your statements with cites and/or links to actual facts that support your positive statements in regards to open carry?
Typical response from someone who has nothing.... try to deflect the heat off yourself onto your opponent. Epic fail.Why don't you back up your statements with cites and/or links to actual facts that support your positive statements in regards to open carry?
Whether you are aware of it or not... you were done the very first time you avoided providing cites and/or links that proved your premise. Everything after that point was merely allowing you to prove to everyone that you have nothing to back up your statements... and you did so admirably.So we're done here now?
I'll say it again ... I don't care if folks have an anti open carry bias or if folks think open carry is silly or dangerous since no one is forcing them to do it themselves... but when folks start trash talking open carry for other people.... then...
Back up your statements with cites and/or links to actual facts that support your negative statements in regards to open carry. Got facts to back up your latest statement concerning OC proffering others the opportunity to play with the OC'ers gun? Any cites and/or links?
Failure to do so means you got nothing but your personal dislike of open carry.... and that you are attempting to use misleading statements with no factual background in order pawn your personal dislike off as being real world facts.
Are you aware that a gun owner/carrier who talks against a facet of the right to keep and bear arms because he "doesn't like it" is no better than the rabid anti gunner who talks against the entire right to keep and bear arms because HE... "doesn't like it". Both are undermining a right just because they, in their magnificent arrogance, have decided that the actual right isn't "reasonable", "appropriate", or "acceptable" because the only thing that is "acceptable" is what they tell other people they should.. and should NOT... be allowed to do. And both want to be the one in control of what other people are "allowed" to do.
And there is a striking similarity between the arguments the rabid anti gunner uses when talking against the right to keep and bear arms and the arguments offered by an "anti gunner lite" gun owner/carrier talking against how other people legally exercise that right. Both arguments are composed of misleading, demeaning, and ridiculing statements that are devoid of actual facts.
Here is your chance to convince everyone and prove your point... provide actual facts not statements intended to mislead with implications to connections not supported by facts but with cites and/or links to incidents that show your anti open carry statements are based in actual fact and actual real world events.
So we're done here now?