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[cwaugh]

I just don't see the purpose of OCing as a civilian in a populated city. Out in rural America is a different story.

This is what I always say when asked about open carry. In my opinion, it's too dangerous in a more populated environment and more likely to get you jacked for your gun!

 

[Firefighterchen]

This is what I always say when asked about open carry. In my opinion, it's too dangerous in a more populated environment and more likely to get you jacked for your gun!

In my opinion, concealed carrying in any venue, will more likely get you jacked for looking unarmed!

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[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Stengun View Post
I just don't see the purpose of OCing as a civilian in a populated city. Out in rural America is a different story.

This is what I always say when asked about open carry. In my opinion, it's too dangerous in a more populated environment and more likely to get you jacked for your gun!

Please understand I'm not being adversarial but would like to point out the truth.

The media would have a field day reporting any and all incidents where an open carrier was "jacked" for their gun. And even though the media is very vigilant in watching for those incidents only a very few have been reported so far. Those few represent such a small percentage of open carriers as to be statistically insignificant. Yes it could happen but the lack of incidents point to criminals do not attack people they know are armed.

Please bear in mind that open carry has been practiced in Arizona (inside populated cities too) for decades so, if you are willing to learn the truth instead of listening to fear mongers, it would be very easy to do a little research on google and come back with cites and links to hundreds of incidents where open carriers where attacked for their gun.

But you won't find those hundreds of incidents because they never happened.

 

[BluesStringer]

This is what I always say when asked about open carry. In my opinion, it's too dangerous in a more populated environment and more likely to get you jacked for your gun!

Welcome to the site. We obviously didn't have enough myth-mongers before. I hope we've reached our quota now.

 

[Bob_M]

Welcome to the site. We obviously didn't have enough myth-mongers before. I hope we've reached our quota now.

LOL!!! I couldn't have said that better. Nice reply there Blues. :biggrin:

 

[DavidWhite]

Absolutely. Shouldn't be different than anywhere else. When Open carrying though, please be sure to use a strap or restraint of some type so should anyone go for your gun, they have to do more than just yank it out of the holster. I have seen many open carry in Walmart and other sporting stores with no straps or restraints.

So... Because you don't see a "strap", the weapon must then be unsecured?
Do you own many, if any holsters? I have dozens and mine work just fine with no "strap".
Mine are held in with Magic!
Quick one for ya.. Serpa..


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[911 Dispatcher]

I do not open carry for one reason. If a scumbag wants to rob a place they will check it out first then when they come back to do their job the first thing they will do is shoot the person that is open carry. I want surprise on my side not the scumbag's

 

[NavyLCDR]

I do not open carry for one reason. If a scumbag wants to rob a place they will check it out first then when they come back to do their job the first thing they will do is shoot the person that is open carry. I want surprise on my side not the scumbag's

In the real world the scumbag will just wait for you to leave. It makes no sense for a criminal who is interested in whatever they can get from a cash register to turn armed robbery into murder. It seems like some concealed carry only people love to live in a fantasy world where the dream of getting the chance to whip out their "element of surprise" and be the hero who gets to rid the world of at least one criminal.

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The data revealed that 92% of all the robberies occurred when only one clerk was present in the store. This statistic was not particularly significant since very few stores employed more than one clerk during the 1981-1986 period. Instead, the attention-getting factor here was the number of situations in which the robber had waited for the store to "clear out" -- presenting a single victim upon which to prey.

In 85% of the robberies which occurred, no customers were present at the inception of the crime and there was not a second clerk in the store. The scenario which developed repeatedly within the data analysis was that a perspective robber would enter the store and browse up and down the aisles until any present customers would leave before attempting the robbery.

Now you can feel free to use whatever excuse makes you comfortable to rely upon your precious "element of surprise" - but the real facts, rather than fantasy and proven incorrect theory, should be presented so people can make an intelligent, rather than emotional decision.

 

[Eidolon]

Open carry isn't my gig, I'm all for you making your own choice in the matter but I'm not interested.

That said the two arguments I hear against it 1. The bad guy will shoot you first 2. The bad guy will steal your gun are ridiculous

 

[Reba]

Spent about 10 days in Wi. last year and saw open carry all the time. I have family there and they OC daily. Good to see.

Has WI always been open carry? When we lived there in the late 1980's I don't recall seeing anyone carrying. We lived in a rural area.

 

[Reba]

We live in a state (SC) that doesn't have open carry, so it's not an option for us.

 

[Blueshell]

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That would depend on the law. Is the "open carry law" a ban on OC or a ban on restaurants to prohibit OC?

As for private, not-legally-binding policies, as long as they aren't trying to completely prohibit lawfully carried firearms from the premises then imo it's a dress code thing and they can require what they like.

 

[Blueshell]

Howdy Chen,



Actually I'm one of the few members on this forum that owns guns.

Fortunately for the rest of us most of the members here, like yourself, Mom will not allow you/them to own a gun.

Uniformed cops wear their gun where everyone can see it, wear a uniform with a badge, best, radio, and in some cases a hat/cap, drive a big car with stickers decals, lights, etc ALL in an effort to INTIMIDATE people.

If you do not understand or comprehend this fact you are dumber than I orginially thought.

I guess for lesser men that are insecure with their "Manhood" they feel it is necessary to OC as a civilian.

With a CE Pocket Pro II timer I'm about .05 seconds slower from "BEEP" to first shot on target from under a cover garment than I am without a cover garment when using my EDC Glock 23

So, CC doesn't slow down my draw speed, doesn't effect my accuracy and doesn't scare law abiding citizens, especially little old church ladies, I'm secure in my "Manhood" so I just don't see the purpose of OCing as a civilian in a populated city. Out in rural America is a different story.

OCing at Walmart or Cracker Barrel? I guess Viagra doesn't help you any.

For the idiots that think OCing makes you into and look like a "Billy Badbutt" on the first Friday in August have your Mom drive you over to Little Rock, AR, pull off of I-30 onto Roosevelt, drive down to MLK, get out of your Mom's car and start walking with you pistoloa strapped on your hip.

Do this at about 10pm and you "might" make it a block before someone comes up from behind and takes your pistoloa away from you.

Don't bother to post what happen, I'll watch the results on the news.

Paul

Since I carry a snubie I must be reverse-compensating :smile:

OC is the defensive mode of carry. It advertises the consequences a potential perp faces so as to deter the attack altogether; like the brightly colored skin of a poisonous frog. CC is purely offensive, the "tactical advantage of surprise" being one of retaliation, not defensive reaction. The CC'er hopes to lure a perp in to a sort of ambush. The only reason I see to CC is so I can ignore no-gun signs, laws and employment policies.

 

[911 Dispatcher]

I agree police officers(COPS) do all the above but you don't see many criminals walking into any places to commit robberies where they see police officers the scumbags will go someplace else they don't think they will get shot or killed. Most criminals will check out a business first just for that reason they know thy would have to make a perfect shot to stop the officer how ever with someone that is open carrying the criminal just has to shoot this person in the chest area to stop them since they don't have a vest on for protection. I own several guns but I am not a fool who is going to take that one chance of getting shot because I'm open carrying!

 

[BluesStringer]

I agree police officers(COPS) do all the above but you don't see many criminals walking into any places to commit robberies where they see police officers the scumbags will go someplace else they don't think they will get shot or killed. Most criminals will check out a business first just for that reason they know thy would have to make a perfect shot to stop the officer how ever with someone that is open carrying the criminal just has to shoot this person in the chest area to stop them since they don't have a vest on for protection. I own several guns but I am not a fool who is going to take that one chance of getting shot because I'm open carrying!

So a criminal who will go someplace else if they see a cop inside does so only because the cop is likely wearing a vest, and not because they know without a doubt that the cop is armed? I find that assertion patently absurd.

Cops open carry for the same reasons walkin'-around citizens do, because of its deterrent value, because of its ease and speed of draw for when the weapon doesn't deter a committed victimizer, and because it's a heckuva lot more comfortable than most ways of concealing, which all combine to make open carry the most advantageous method of carry tactically-speaking.

The incidence of OC'ers being shot "because" they're open carrying is largely a myth. There are but a handful of stories that get recycled through this sub-forum every now and again claiming that the OC'd weapon was the cause of a shooting, but every story I've ever seen is based on questionable evidence to support the contention at best, while many others I've seen have been thoroughly debunked as being based on lies too. Maybe you can come up with the first verifiable story of someone being shot "because" they were OC'ing that this forum has ever seen?

Maybe you are a fool who believes in unicorns that fart butterflies? There are mo' betta ways to claim your superior intellect than to spread myths about open carry, and it's more likely that someone who has actually investigated the truth about unicorns that fart butterflies will get a good-hearted giggle out of you believing in them than those of us who have investigated the truth about open carry will tolerate being called fools for engaging in the safer-than-concealed-carry practice without rebuking your implication. Consider yourself rebuked.

Blues

 

[NavyLCDR]

I agree police officers(COPS) do all the above but you don't see many criminals walking into any places to commit robberies where they see police officers the scumbags will go someplace else they don't think they will get shot or killed. Most criminals will check out a business first just for that reason they know thy would have to make a perfect shot to stop the officer how ever with someone that is open carrying the criminal just has to shoot this person in the chest area to stop them since they don't have a vest on for protection. I own several guns but I am not a fool who is going to take that one chance of getting shot because I'm open carrying!

More myth...

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20030909/the-armed-criminal-in-america

The survey data indicate that the criminals' fear of an armed victim relates directly to the severity of the gun laws in the state surveyed. Where gun laws are less restrictive, such as Georgia and Maryland, criminals think twice before running the risk of facing an armed victim; they are much less concerned in Massachusetts.

Fifty-six percent of the felons surveyed agreed that "A criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun;" 74% agreed that "One reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot."

A 57% majority agreed that "Most criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police." In asking felons what they personally thought about while committing crimes, 34% indicated that they thought about getting "shot at by police" or "shot by victim."

If the criminal is going to turn around and walk out of the store at the sight of a cop - they are even MORE likely to turn around and walk out of the store at the sight of a visibly armed citizen. And here's the kicker - we will never know how many criminals have left open carriers alone because they were open carrying. It's not like they are going to walk up and say, "Man, you are so lucky! I was going to jack you up for your wallet 'till I saw that piece you were carrying!"

Have a nice day.

 

[Nightmare45]

Show the empirical evidence proving statement open carry will get you shot first. Open carry all the time in AZ and now in Texas taxed open carry. Constitutional carry your choice.