Looking to help LEO with a little entrapment? I may be impulsive to a certain extent, have been known to leap a few times before looking, and I'm definitely bull-headed when it comes to my rights, but I'm certainly not stupid.
Man arrested for having '2 extra bullets' in his sidearm's magazine.
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apvbguy
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so you are a lot of talk and a lot of BS
the dark
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If everyone is up in arms (pun intended) over the unconstitutionality of the law (BTW, I agree) and want to see the law challenged - then why all the angst over the arrest. Dude broke the law - constitutional or not - hence arrested, and now to potentially and hopefully challenge it. All the hand waving and melodrama over whether it is or is not constitutional seem pointless. It IS the law for now and if one breaks it they will potentially be arrested. If that is your duty then you will perhaps end up where he is. Again, I am not disagreeing, just saying' that disobeying unjust laws is not a guarantee you will not be arrested - just as this guy was.
It would have been best for the potential of such a challenge if this guy had been squeaky clean...sadly it is hard to call him a "law-abiding" citizen.
It would have been best for the potential of such a challenge if this guy had been squeaky clean...sadly it is hard to call him a "law-abiding" citizen.
jrs
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I agree. Plus, consider that in NY, you do not have to inform an officer you are armed.
He was stupid enough to have his weapon in plain sight on the seat.
Depending on the situation and his demeanor, he may have still been pulled over for the burned out bulb, but been given a warning and instructions to "get the light fixed". Better yet, if his vehicle was properly maintained, he probably would not have been pulled over in the first place.
There's a lot of IF's, but there's one thing certain.... IF he wasn't bullheaded and hell-bent on disobeying the law because "he just didn't agree", he wouldn't be facing SAFE Act charges.
Hopefully, it will be repealed and this discussion will be moot, but til then, it's 7+1 for me.
BC1
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Here's the rub... and few people are getting it. This isn't about NYS or a seven-round mag rule. This is about nearly each and every state violating our rights in one form or another. Every state, without exception, who issues a CCW permit also has provisions in law to violate your rights. People rant about how good their state is and then must leave the gun in the car when banking, at church, in a hospital, in a restaurant, doctor's office, public transportation, etc. You're all taking it in the rear in some way but no one will acknowledge the problems in their own state. While NY did enact this vey stupid seven round law other states have enacted much stricter laws that disallow the actual carrying of the gun in certain places. That is the worst kind of gun control. Every state that issues a CCW permit also has legal provisions for denying or revoking the permit. None of it based on the strict construction view of the constitution.
CharlesMorrison
Banned
Thank god I am safe from this insanity! The only places I can't carry are courthouses, schools and the post office.
Signs have no force of law and you do not need a permit to carry openly or concealed.
I am surrounded by liberal states with crazy laws, hence the signature line..
Sent from behind enemy lines.
I wouldn't be caught dead in NY... and given current regulations and laws and stupidity going on in NY.. Dead is all I would be too if I ever was to enter NY 
Soo forget that place.. Much like KALIFONIA, and Illinois - NY is also a state that no-longer exists in my mind as apart of the USA.. (toss in Washington DC too just because thats a hellhole from which few escape)..
Soo forget that place.. Much like KALIFONIA, and Illinois - NY is also a state that no-longer exists in my mind as apart of the USA.. (toss in Washington DC too just because thats a hellhole from which few escape)..
BC1
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Took a look at your state's laws. Here's where they leave you exposed...I wouldn't be caught dead in NY... and given current regulations and laws and stupidity going on in NY.. Dead is all I would be too if I ever was to enter NY
Soo forget that place.. Much like KALIFONIA, and Illinois - NY is also a state that no-longer exists in my mind as apart of the USA.. (toss in Washington DC too just because thats a hellhole from which few escape)..
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The license does not authorize the carrying of a handgun in a sports arena or stadium, a tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises, any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship,An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more, a hospital, a casino, etc.
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Do you understand that in NY people are not restricted in any of the ways underlined above? I even check my gun at the courthouse hen I'm there. Seems you are much more restricted than NY. Do you understand that you are being prohibited from carrying a firearm in many places where you may need it to save your life? Ever heard of Luby's Café (Link Removed Well, 7 on my hip in NY beats a gun in the car in MI. As I said in a prior post, people aren't being realistic or truthful with themselves regarding their own state.
Go ahead and sling your BS on the forum, tough guy. You are surely not so bravely stupid in person.
I'll live my life in Liberty, and you go ahead and bend over and take it for peace at any cost.
apvbguy
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more talk and BS, you never answered the question tough guy, do you carry your weapon with or with out your state of tx issued permission slip.
Actually I am very realistic and truthful with my state and myself.
I don't patronize those places where I am not allowed to carry, In the RARE chance I need to, I always plan to have either 1 extra person with me who carry's waiting outside, or in case of the courts - which I rarely need to visit. I know there are at least 3-4 cops in the building and more in the station next door. So I rarely worry about my safety at court.
Not sure how often you go to court, or to other places where I might be restricted.. But Since I never bother to go to them - I dont have to worry about some stupid law that says I cant carry..
Which by the way Only counts to concealed carry - Technically I can OPEN carry at those same places with NO problems (unless they ask me to leave) soo I could tuck my shirt in instead of leave it un-tucked like I do now.. so Open carry instead of concealed = Instant qualification with the letter of the law.. (I can even Open carry in Gun free zones too)
So yeh you can sit there and say NY is nice cause they allow you to carry 7 rounds in places where I cant conceal.. But Ill tell you I can Open carry in those same places so long as no sign is posted.. I can also say.. that, MI and other states unlike NY and California/etc - is actually trying to loosen the laws.. Prior to the Newtown shooting - the "gun free zone" limitations was being stricken from the books for CPL holders here in MI.. But because of the uproar that event caused, it was vetoed, however its still gonna be coming up again before end of year, if not, then next year for sure. So while NY is going more strict.. MI is becoming less strict..
As for the Luby thing.. Well I read the story, seem to remember some news coverage (this happened when I was 13-14ish) And based on your wiki link she choose to leave it in the car. If I remember the story correctly though - she left it because the people she was with asked her too or something like that. Which she probably regrets to this day.
Also the restriction isn't on regular restaurants - only ones whose primary source of income is the sale of liqueur - Which means BARs, and places people go to drink and Not eat the food. I don't drink alcohol so i don't go to bars.. I have been in restaurants that do serve alcohol (steak houses / etc) - Ive even carried in those places with no problems. Ive spoken with both Police and CPL instructors who admit those places are not part of the laws intent, since most of the money they get is from food sales. (steaks)
I can say more to churches/hospitals/casinos/etc but since I rarely go to any of those places.. It doesn't matter..
Everywhere I do have to go, I generally carry concealed, Ive never been asked to leave, or confronted by anyone.. When I have Open carried, ive never had any issues either. But since I can easily conceal - what they don't know, don't hurt them.
With that.. Id still rather live in MI then be anywhere near NY/CA/IL or any place that is soo stupid with anti 2A laws.
Oh that reminds me.. Can you own Suppressors in NY? or NFA weapons? or anything that was banned by your Bloomberg retard?
cause in MI if I get the ATF tax stamp, our Governor says its same as a license to own.. so i can get suppressors/Class 3/etc so long as i can afford to get the ATF stamp (on top of the cost to buy the suppressor/etc)
BC1
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In NY we can't open carry and I personally wouldn't OC anyway. But I frequent all those limited places regularly. Though I don't regularly carry a gun I have the freedom to do so. Regarding NY... it's not Bloomberg. That's NYC not NYS. Completely different laws. But regarding Bloomy I'd have to agree with you.Actually I am very realistic and truthful with my state and myself.
I don't patronize those places where I am not allowed to carry, In the RARE chance I need to, I always plan to have either 1 extra person with me who carry's waiting outside, or in case of the courts - which I rarely need to visit. I know there are at least 3-4 cops in the building and more in the station next door. So I rarely worry about my safety at court.
Not sure how often you go to court, or to other places where I might be restricted.. But Since I never bother to go to them - I dont have to worry about some stupid law that says I cant carry..
Which by the way Only counts to concealed carry - Technically I can OPEN carry at those same places with NO problems (unless they ask me to leave) soo I could tuck my shirt in instead of leave it un-tucked like I do now.. so Open carry instead of concealed = Instant qualification with the letter of the law.. (I can even Open carry in Gun free zones too)
So yeh you can sit there and say NY is nice cause they allow you to carry 7 rounds in places where I cant conceal.. But Ill tell you I can Open carry in those same places so long as no sign is posted.. I can also say.. that, MI and other states unlike NY and California/etc - is actually trying to loosen the laws.. Prior to the Newtown shooting - the "gun free zone" limitations was being stricken from the books for CPL holders here in MI.. But because of the uproar that event caused, it was vetoed, however its still gonna be coming up again before end of year, if not, then next year for sure. So while NY is going more strict.. MI is becoming less strict..
As for the Luby thing.. Well I read the story, seem to remember some news coverage (this happened when I was 13-14ish) And based on your wiki link she choose to leave it in the car. If I remember the story correctly though - she left it because the people she was with asked her too or something like that. Which she probably regrets to this day.
Also the restriction isn't on regular restaurants - only ones whose primary source of income is the sale of liqueur - Which means BARs, and places people go to drink and Not eat the food. I don't drink alcohol so i don't go to bars.. I have been in restaurants that do serve alcohol (steak houses / etc) - Ive even carried in those places with no problems. Ive spoken with both Police and CPL instructors who admit those places are not part of the laws intent, since most of the money they get is from food sales. (steaks)
I can say more to churches/hospitals/casinos/etc but since I rarely go to any of those places.. It doesn't matter..
Everywhere I do have to go, I generally carry concealed, Ive never been asked to leave, or confronted by anyone.. When I have Open carried, ive never had any issues either. But since I can easily conceal - what they don't know, don't hurt them.
With that.. Id still rather live in MI then be anywhere near NY/CA/IL or any place that is soo stupid with anti 2A laws.
Oh that reminds me.. Can you own Suppressors in NY? or NFA weapons? or anything that was banned by your Bloomberg retard?
cause in MI if I get the ATF tax stamp, our Governor says its same as a license to own.. so i can get suppressors/Class 3/etc so long as i can afford to get the ATF stamp (on top of the cost to buy the suppressor/etc)
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But the reason for my post was to show that every single state providing a CCW permits violates our rights in one manner or anther. And it's not consistent. It changes from state to state.
I'm not answering your prying questions, a-hole. It is none of your freaking business; and I won't admit to breaking any unconstitutional laws or constitutional laws on any gun forum. Read my posts; stupid I am not. And I am not a BSer. Should I ever have to face "authority", so-called or real, I will do so without worry or bending over because I make my own decisions as a free man.
I stated facts. I am a free man, and I live in Liberty. I will exercise my rights as I see fit, and it doesn't make a bit of difference to me what you or anyone else says about it. You can jump to any conclusion you like, that's your prerogative. You may have a differing opinion, and may not agree with my opinion, and because of that you decide to disparage me. Your posts on this forum are usually an attempt to antagonize and disparage other opinions, seemingly because you have way too high an opinion of yourself. You may now kiss where the sun don't shine. You'll be on my ignore list from here on out.
XD40scinNC
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But in my state, bills are advancing that are changing some of this, i.e. moving in a positive direction for gun owners, and where CHP holders will be able to carry.
Now which direction are the laws going in NY? Do you really think with Cuome and Bloomberg on their feeding frenzy of removing gun rights that you should feel so arrogantly cocky about where you can carry 7?
How many can you legally carry in your own home?
joeygunz239
New member
WELL MOST laws are stupid bud my .380 holds 7in the clip. I feel if u need more that that to defend yourself then u don't need to carry. pending there are not more then 5 people threatening your life. :triniti:
CharlesMorrison
Banned
My tiny thought on the seven round limit....
I would just upgrade to a .45 cal pistol and be done with it. I would not feel under gunned with one and a couple of extra mags.
Just my .02 cents..
Sent from behind enemy lines.
I would just upgrade to a .45 cal pistol and be done with it. I would not feel under gunned with one and a couple of extra mags.
Just my .02 cents..
Sent from behind enemy lines.
Rhino
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Want to clue us in on what you were talking about? There were three posts prior to yours and there was no outrage in them.
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And we all know what experts on the 2nd amendment New York attorneys are!
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I don't think people aren't getting it. They're just addressing the particular stupidity of this specific statute. I don't think anyone here discounts or ignores the existence or stupidity of statutes all across this country.
XD40scinNC
New member
Good luck with that, and I hope your never find yourself in the situation, where you say "damn, 7 shots from a .380 didn't stop 4 or 5 home invaders, and I really wish I had more bullets in my magazine.
Treo
Bullet Proof
Unless you are admitted to the bar no one really gives a damn about your opinion on the Constitutionality of this or any other law.
I don’t care for this law but the fact is it is the law and unless you’re willing to die fighting “the man” (and don’t tell me you are because the fact that you’re reading this is prima facie evidence that you’re not) you have no choice but to abide by it and use the political process to attempt to overturn it.
As for the police not enforcing it do you really want the cops deciding which laws they enforce and which they don’t ?
I don’t care for this law but the fact is it is the law and unless you’re willing to die fighting “the man” (and don’t tell me you are because the fact that you’re reading this is prima facie evidence that you’re not) you have no choice but to abide by it and use the political process to attempt to overturn it.
As for the police not enforcing it do you really want the cops deciding which laws they enforce and which they don’t ?
