I've open carried the past two days......
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BC1
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Not enough of a ghetto perhaps. Some real bad areas like inner Chicago, New lots, parts of Indianapolis, Newburgh NY, etc. Real bad. The nocturnal wildlife is extremely dangerous with daily shootings and stabbings. OC is unwise in areas like these. More of an invitation than a deterrent. Most of the ghetto rats are armed.
Can FBI Agent James Gagliano Make Newburgh Safe? -- New York Magazine
Treo
Bullet Proof
Which leaves me wondering , yet again, why a sane person would go there in the first place. What you are in engaging in is called reducto ad absurdum, you're taking the argument to the most ridiculous extreme and then claim that that is the position of open carriers. I carry a gun (open or concealed) for self defense not so I can do stupid things and get away w/ them.
Remember the argument is that it is very rare for someone to try to steal the gun from an open carrier not that it never happens, not that the open carrier can walk through the Bronx at 3 AM and not have any problems.
BC1
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You're making assumptions with a flawed logic. "If-then-else" thinking doesn't apply (IF I don't go to the ghetto, THEN the hoodrats won't hurt me).
Would a sane person go to Walmart? This isn't going to extremes because we must remember that members of MS-13, Mexican Mafia, Crips, Bloods, Latin Kings, etc are at places like Walmart or the grocery store. The same ghetto rats are robbing and maiming ourside of the ghetto. In fact the new trend around NY shows rats heading into the suburbs for a victim... nothing worth stealing in the hood I guess. It's not absurd to consider this. The trend is increasing, there has been a paradigm shift in the MO of "flocka." No one can prove how rare it is or isn't for a gun to be taken from an unsuspecting person. We assume there are no incidents just because the press doesn't report everything? What I CAN tell you is that if there are six or eight armed gang-bangers, they're going to get the gun if they want it. You can't fend them all off and they're willing to kill or die over something as small as an imnsult.
Many people are trying to paint this in black and white. After 17 years in tactical training with numerous police agencies, FBI, HS, etc, I find that there is no generalization that can be made. We can train a skill set into someone but we can't tell them how the threat will present. The truth is that we can't think of or be prepared for every eventuality. Those who think they can are sadly mistaken. So you don't go to the ghetto. But the ghetto DOES come to you. Who would think a murdering child molester would pop out of the woods in a quiet rural farming community and murder our little bro? Never would have thought it so the family wasn't prepared for it. The biggest mistake in PP is to think something can't happen.
As I've stated before... I support OC for those who do it legally. Just be very careful and always assume the rat is around the corner. That's all.
golddigger14s
SFC At Fort Lewis, WA
I'm really surprised, I live in Lacey/Olympia, and OC all the time. I've OC'd at my bank, Tacoma zoo, and you name it. I've had a couple of questions, but never anything negative. My Taurus 24/7 with Serpa paddle holster is a bit too big for CC, and the way I dress (shirt tucked in) OC is the best way to go for a lot of reasons. Don't let your self be intimidated by the sheep, carry the way you want.
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
Treo:249482 said:.
Such small mindedness just makes me want to keep on them so they start to rant, which in turn makes me laugh and spend the rest of the day smiling just knowing they are seething.
It's one the traits I like least in myself but sometimes you just have to do the things that make you laugh
KK
IOW you admit you are a troll?
That is basically the exact definition of an online troll. So even though he denied it, I'm not sure anyone well believe it if they read his admission post.
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, [2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response [3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. [4]"
To BC:
the ghetto near NYC is way worse than the ghetto near my city. You do have legitimate reasons to not OC with people like that around you. But to use NYC as an example for anything gun related seems wrong. There is nothing about NYC that I would want any state to follow, because the culture, laws, and ghettos are terrible there. So while yes I would not open carry in NYC or the ghetto, you would not find me there in the first place. Yes the ghetto may come to me, but they may come to me whether or not I have a gun, like you said, they will attack for no other reason than a dirty look. The majority of criminals well be deterred, and that works for me.
BC1
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Treo look, I'm not moving the goalposts. I'm trying to ensure people understand that there are some very bad people out there and they do leave the den. You can't cut and dry this thing or nail it down to just the ghetto. Go try a ghetto walk. In a real ghetto. But don't try to change the message of safety. i'm not argueing with OC. i'm advising people to refrain from thinking nothing will happen and to be smart about when and where.
BC1
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This is not NYC. This is Newburgh, NY. 90 miles from NYC. A four-square-mile city with 29,000 people is the murder capital of NY.The ghetto near NYC is way worse than the ghetto near my city. You do have legitimate reasons to not OC with people like that around you. But to use NYC as an example for anything gun related seems wrong. There is nothing about NYC that I would want any state to follow, because the culture, laws, and ghettos are terrible there. So while yes I would not open carry in NYC or the ghetto, you would not find me there in the first place. Yes the ghetto may come to me, but they may come to me whether or not I have a gun, like you said, they will attack for no other reason than a dirty look. The majority of criminals well be deterred, and that works for me.
TruckTurner68
Chaplain
Too funny American flag jump suit lol
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
Man...is that where you live? I am sincerely sorry. It got me thinking though, what IS the most dangerous cities in the US? Does it play a role in the mindset of OC vs CC or carry at all. I made a few images based off of a couple lists found from a google search. Top 25 FBI (government) and Top 100 Neighborhood Scout (3rd party/private?)
Think this matters?
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I've carried a few more times since starting this post. I made another trip to Walmart yesterday. Busy store, with quite a bit of people. Still I'm ever careful of that "suspicious-looking" person, who could be a potential threat. And then I realize that even if someone did try to pull my gun off of me, with all those people in the store, what benefit does he gain from it? Unless he shoots his way out of the store?...how far is he going to get? I mean...anything is possible, but is it probable?
I don't have any ghetto areas in which I would even OC? I wouldn't OC there at midnight, or any other time. If the criminal is already carrying concealed, why would I OC? He would already have the advantage of surprise, if I was to happen upon this person. I'm not "quick draw McGraw"? But to be perfectly honest...I can't think for the life of me, what reason I would have to be there in the first place? We could debate the what if's of any given scenario. And while I'm not a criminal, I try to think like one for my own self preservation at times. Some would call it being "street smart". Well, I do believe the criminals are leaving the cities to target the suburbs, and rural areas. I feel more comfortable in fighting my battle here, rather than there.
Firefigherchen, thanks for the visuals...I'm right between Toledo and Cleveland. With all the gang activity going on within these cities, I definately would CC. I'm a country boy. I shoot often, and shoot well. It's rare for me to visit either of these cities unless, I'm driving through, or going to a Doctor's appt? But I carry everyday. I learn something new everyday. You have to be a self aware individual to OC/CC. If you don't pay attention, you can easily become a victim at anytime, whether your armed or not. When you least expect it to happen, it can. Again, we can talk scenarios all day, but anything is possible. How you handle these situations is the difference between going home, or to the morgue. Thanks to everyone for replies.
BC1
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Don't live there now but my office is there. We live about 12 miles away in a nice remote wooded area. But people are starting to have problems. The slumrats are burglarizing homes in this area. The hood life is starting to encroach on the suburbs.
No, I mean that the citizens in Mass will shat their pants if they see a gun and call the police. The police will get pissed if they have to go to a gun call and it wouldn't be long before they call your chief and he revokes your license.
Treo
Bullet Proof
God I'm glad I live in a free state
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
Rich_S:249906 said:
Like I said earlier, sounds like a problem with the police and the citizens. The open carry culture definitely is different then where I live, but I don't see them being the problem.
Treo:249908 said:
+1 same here!!!
threecentermass
New member
The Wal-Mart store Manager in Fallon Nevada told me that No way will open carry be allowed in "HIS" store. I contacted the main office for Wal-Mart .STILL WAITING FOR A RESPONSE.
Mike
Mike
Nightmare45
NRA LIFE MEMBER
Note to gun carrying self do not shop at Walmart in Falcon NV.
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Bikenut
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Just a question to those who say that OC will not stop a determined criminal....
Exactly what benefit would CC have over OC in stopping a determined criminal?
And in reference to walking through the ghetto at midnight OC'ing.... exactly how would CC make a person any safer walking through the ghetto at midnight?
But here is a better question...
What is it about OC that compels some CC'ers to actively seek opportunities to complain about OC? I find it odd that so many CC'ers complain about OC but so very few OC'ers complain about CC.
Exactly what benefit would CC have over OC in stopping a determined criminal?
And in reference to walking through the ghetto at midnight OC'ing.... exactly how would CC make a person any safer walking through the ghetto at midnight?
But here is a better question...
What is it about OC that compels some CC'ers to actively seek opportunities to complain about OC? I find it odd that so many CC'ers complain about OC but so very few OC'ers complain about CC.
