I ask why?

[DLeeHarley]

I open carry and I CC too at times. I prefer OC for a myriad of reasons, a lot of which have already been stated here. Here are a few of my reasonings. 1) When I open carry I don't need anyone's permission too. It's my God given right. When I CC I have to use my permit for which I had to receive permission from the state to do so. 2) When I OC it gets a dialog started, good or bad. And in a lot of those conversations I've been able to state my views on gun control, gun carry, and gun rights in general. Conversations that would have never been generated if I had CC'd. Your not going to change everyone's point of view but you CAN plant a seed. I have and it is a great feeling. 3) When little old ladies and others constantly see me everyday with my weapon they learn to not fear guns as much and kind of get used to seeing them bring around and realize it is nice to have a good guy with a gun around just in case. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with CC'ing because nothing is, but to come down on someone for a different point of view is just ignorant. And I would like someone to present any verified evidence of an Open Carrier being taken out first because his gun, because I'm just getting tired of hearing it. Carry anyway you want, just leave me to my choice. Just DO carry anyway you like. Just do it! Later all,

Dennis in Idaho
"Keep your Powder Dry & your Ass Down!"

 

[wolf_fire]

What I stated is fact. Link Removed

You edited out the part were I said by the BG or the LEO for those who dont know LEO is short had for Law Enforcement Officer.

So by OCing you can actually win money when a LEO acts like a jack booted thug. I think you supported the OC side. :smile:

 

[Eidolon]

So by OCing you can actually win money when a LEO acts like a jack booted thug. I think you supported the OC side. :smile:

There was a guy in Colorado Springs that was arrested for carrying while gay, he walked away with 23,000$

 

[BluesStringer]

There was a guy in Colorado Springs that was arrested for carrying while gay, he walked away with 23,000$

So what were you doing in CO and what did you spend the money on?

 

[dj12midnit]

What you stated was you conceal carry because you don't want to be a target.

I edited out the predator because it's non essential information on the statement you made.

For every open carrier that was targeted you can muster up, I'll give you two concealed carriers who were targeted.

Canton Ohio Police Officers Daniel Harless and Ma…: Canton Ohio Police Officers Daniel Harless and Mark Diels - YouTube

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Concealed carriers do get targeted, so to say you conceal because you don't want to be a target is not true.

I agree that open carriers are targeted, just like concealed carriers are, with the exception that concealed carriers are targeted much much more frequently, thus making your original statement false. Plus, everything I wrote in my post before about painting more firearm owners in a negative light.

You want to increase the risk of being chosen as a victim, go for it. You want to talk negatively about firearms, not so much.

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Chen,
I guess I should of put in there that it is my way of thinking. Or that I would feel like a target. In my head if I am a bg and I want to do something I am going to take out the guy with the gun first. Army training sir. I am a single individual I can only speak for me and my thoughts and feelings, not anyone else. I have been very clear that I truly just want to learn the other side. And a few people have been very helpful in helping me to understand. You how ever have made a point of attacking me. I apologize if my wanting to be better educated in any way has offended you as that is truly not my intention.

 

[dj12midnit]

So by OCing you can actually win money when a LEO acts like a jack booted thug. I think you supported the OC side. :smile:

Yes It is a good way to make money; however it would take a lot of time I don't have. Again I will state I have no problem with OC and fell you have every right to do so. That is what I like about the state I live in. I am from So. California. If you want to go to the range, where you have to keep the gun and ammo separated in a way that you have to turn off the car and remove the keys from the ignition to join them together.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Chen,
I guess I should of put in there that it is my way of thinking. Or that I would feel like a target. In my head if I am a bg and I want to do something I am going to take out the guy with the gun first. Army training sir. I am a single individual I can only speak for me and my thoughts and feelings, not anyone else. I have been very clear that I truly just want to learn the other side. And a few people have been very helpful in helping me to understand. You how ever have made a point of attacking me. I apologize if my wanting to be better educated in any way has offended you as that is truly not my intention.

Where did I attack you? I don't see any insults, I don't see any mockery, I don't see any lies from my part...let's try and not deflect into ad hominem argument, and stick to open carry.

You can have your thoughts and feelings, so can the MAIG, the Brady campaign, and the majority of liberal senators...when they talk negatively about firearms they will get responses. The difference between them and you, hopefully, is you stated you have an open mind. If you truly do, you would take what I say and think about it...instead of getting defensive.

I have a feeling you wouldn't make it very far as a criminal. If you were tasked to mug someone, you would really choose someone that is carrying a firearm over someone who is unarmed?

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[Eidolon]

So what were you doing in CO and what did you spend the money on?

Wow, homophobe much? Are you always so hateful to people who's lifestyle choices you disagree with?

 

[BluesStringer]

Wow, homophobe much? Are you always so hateful to people who's lifestyle choices you disagree with?

I'm not homophobic at all. I thought I recalled you saying you were a rump-ranger before. I don't disagree with you shoving stuff up your butt at all. In fact, I encourage it.

Blues

 

[Axeanda45]

Blues, you are my hero....

 

[Eidolon]

I'm not homophobic at all. I thought I recalled you saying you were a rump-ranger before. I don't disagree with you shoving stuff up your butt at all. In fact, I encourage it.

Blues

Interesting, you claim you have no problem with homosexuals yet in the next breath you prove yourself a liar by using homophobic slurs in an attempt to demean me. The fact that you reach for such terms to insult people says a lot about you especially since you purport to be a champion of personal liberty or is that just personal liberties that fit your world view?

I have to wonder, had you been there the day James Sorensen was arrested for the crime of being openly gay in Colorado Springs (while coincidentally carrying a legal firearm) would you have been cheering the CSPD on while they abused his partner and he? I mean after all they were just a couple of “rump rangers” it’s not like they should have had any rights or anything.

 

[BC1]

Interesting, you claim you have no problem with homosexuals yet in the next breath you prove yourself a liar by using homophobic slurs in an attempt to demean me. The fact that you reach for such terms to insult people says a lot about you especially since you purport to be a champion of personal liberty or is that just personal liberties that fit your world view?

I have to wonder, had you been there the day James Sorensen was arrested for the crime of being openly gay in Colorado Springs (while coincidentally carrying a legal firearm) would you have been cheering the CSPD on while they abused his partner and he? I mean after all they were just a couple of “rump rangers” it’s not like they should have had any rights or anything.

Making a gay joke doesn't make anyone a homophobe. In comedy nothing is sacred. No political correctness. No labels. Just funny.

 

[BluesStringer]

Interesting, you claim you have no problem with homosexuals yet in the next breath you prove yourself a liar by using homophobic slurs in an attempt to demean me. The fact that you reach for such terms to insult people says a lot about you especially since you purport to be a champion of personal liberty or is that just personal liberties that fit your world view?

I said I encourage you to engage in whatever liberty you wish to engage in, including shoving stuff up your butt. Let me amend that to include that I fully support you shoving stuff up your butt sideways.

I have to wonder, had you been there the day James Sorensen was arrested for the crime of being openly gay in Colorado Springs (while coincidentally carrying a legal firearm) would you have been cheering the CSPD on while they abused his partner and he? I mean after all they were just a couple of “rump rangers” it’s not like they should have had any rights or anything.

Never heard of James Sorenson before you mentioned his name, but you're lying, you don't "have to wonder" anything about me. I'm an open book and you know that I would never cheer for any cop committing any abuse on anyone. You are projecting here. You could only feel it demeaning if you thought that being gay was a negative trait. Self-loathing is a terrible thing.

Blues

 

[Eidolon]

Never heard of James Sorenson before you mentioned his name, but you're lying, you don't "have to wonder" anything about me.

I guess you're right I really don't have to wonder about you, I know everything I need to know

 

[BluesStringer]

I guess you're right I really don't have to wonder about you, I know everything I need to know

As do I about you, Tinkerbell.

 

[dj12midnit]

Where did I attack you? I don't see any insults, I don't see any mockery, I don't see any lies from my part...let's try and not deflect into ad hominem argument, and stick to open carry.

You can have your thoughts and feelings, so can the MAIG, the Brady campaign, and the majority of liberal senators...when they talk negatively about firearms they will get responses. The difference between them and you, hopefully, is you stated you have an open mind. If you truly do, you would take what I say and think about it...instead of getting defensive.

I have a feeling you wouldn't make it very far as a criminal. If you were tasked to mug someone, you would really choose someone that is carrying a firearm over someone who is unarmed?

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"So, you ask why I carry openly. I ask you, why do you perpetuate lies about firearms owners? Is the Government and the Brady campaign not good enough at it?"

You called me a lier

"I have a feeling you wouldn't make it very far as a criminal. If you were tasked to mug someone, you would really choose someone that is carrying a firearm over someone who is unarmed?"

Yes I would make a very bad criminal. However If I was to be a criminal why would I mug someone? Risk reward,

 

[BluesStringer]

"So, you ask why I carry openly. I ask you, why do you perpetuate lies about firearms owners? Is the Government and the Brady campaign not good enough at it?"

Dude, you Liked that post! And then you calmly replied to it without saying anything about being attacked. Chen has explained why he said that you were perpetuating a lie - it is a lie that OC'ers can be shown to be a common target of criminals. Can you find one single news story of such an incident? There are one or two out there that claim to be that kind of an incident that I've seen others mention in passing, but it is almost always mentioned that they are highly questionable as to the veracity of that claim, so it hardly stands as "proof" of anything. But I'll tell you this; every single story of a CC'er shooting someone in legitimate self defense was preceded by an evaluation process by the criminal. Is that person capable of defending themselves? Am I tough enough or brazen enough to beat the crap out of him/her to get his/her wallet, or rape her, or ....whatever? You claim it makes the same person a target if they're OC'ing, yet you can provide exactly zero instances of any OC'ers being proven to have been a target because they were OC'ing. I'll tell you without a doubt in my mind that anyone who is physically assaulted or murdered for their stuff or in the process of a rape was chosen because the BG thought he could prevail in any hand-to-hand defense they thought the intended victim might put up. Even idiot criminals know they won't prevail in a hand-to-hand assault with someone who is aware of their surroundings while being openly armed.

You called me a lier

No, he said you perpetuate the same lie that government and the Brady Bunch do. I think he even said it could be because you're just ignorant about the issue in a subsequent post, but the lies of government and the Brady's are lies nonetheless, and Chen attempted to make you aware of that.

Yes I would make a very bad criminal. However If I was to be a criminal why would I mug someone? Risk reward,

And that's all of the OC crowd's point; with CC the risk for the criminal is unknown. The reward, however, might be well-known, like a car, a woman's body, a Rolex, whatever, or it might just be assumed, like a wallet or a credit card, whatever. With OC the risk is just as well-known as the flashy car. The assessment goes: "Hmm...A '69 Vette vs. a bullet. Nah, I'll go steal an Accord and go home for the night."

Methinks you haven't really thought through the risk/reward equation. Chen has. Bikenut has. NavyLCDR has. I have. Several others who just aren't as vocal about it have, but it seems fairly clear that you would benefit from a better understanding of the issue before you make more statements of fact that are nowhere near shown to be fact at all.

Blues

 

[Firefighterchen]

"So, you ask why I carry openly. I ask you, why do you perpetuate lies about firearms owners? Is the Government and the Brady campaign not good enough at it?"

You called me a lier

"I have a feeling you wouldn't make it very far as a criminal. If you were tasked to mug someone, you would really choose someone that is carrying a firearm over someone who is unarmed?"

Yes I would make a very bad criminal. However If I was to be a criminal why would I mug someone? Risk reward,

Refer to Blues excellent post recapping this super interesting and "open minded" conversation. Let's get this straight though, as a "good guy" who thinks like a bad guy you say, "In my head if I am a bg and I want to do something I am going to take out the guy with the gun first." But now...you wouldn't mug someone as a bad guy because it's not worth the risk...so you will murder someone because it's less risky but you won't mug someone? What?

Just to clarify, your statement about "concealing to not be a target" (as if open carriers are the only one's getting targeted), goes right into the category of, "If you own a gun you just want to kill someone," and, "Stand your ground laws mean you can go out and kill anyone you want." So...that is someone's opinion, that must make it automatically true?

 

[Nightmare45]

I open carry all the time in AZ, no problems in many years of doing so, CC in Texas, two trains of thought, cc you might be a target as the individual wishing to do you harm does not know you carry, open carry not as likely, personal choice, under the 2nd amendment should be a no brainer, but no brains typically denotes the sheep in America.

 

[gunnerbob]

There was a guy in Colorado Springs that was arrested for carrying while gay, he walked away with 23,000$

So what were you doing in CO and what did you spend the money on?

Wow, homophobe much? Are you always so hateful to people who's lifestyle choices you disagree with?

I'm not homophobic at all. I thought I recalled you saying you were a rump-ranger before. I don't disagree with you shoving stuff up your butt at all. In fact, I encourage it.

Blues

Blues, you are my hero....

Making a gay joke doesn't make anyone a homophobe. In comedy nothing is sacred. No political correctness. No labels. Just funny.

Friggin' hilarious............