Here's you gun grab....

dusted said:
unfortunately this is a lesson hard learned in why open carry is a bad idea 98% of the time. i believe that it should be an individual's choice, but in practice? it's just asking for trouble. while i'm proud of my right to carry a firearm, i'm a firm believer in the element of surprise, as long as i'm not the one being surprised. that being said, rest in peace, mr. tyler :(
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Just curious - what exactly is 2% of the time that would be a good idea?

The "element of surprise" is a myth.

I open carry when possible, and nobody's ever come up to me and asked, "Hey! Are you looking for trouble?"
 
jsimmons said:
The "element of surprise" is a myth.
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Not based in truth. We teach an entire class on techniques for breaking the OODA loop of the goblin. There are many tactical techniques employed and have been derived from military use. This knowledge is essential in both CC and OC applications.

Here's a number of books on the subject. Some are derived from military tactics. Link Removed
 
The Brady Bunch is against open carry, concealed carry, and ownership of handguns by private citizens. I suspect they would support government confiscation of all privately owned firearms if such were proposed.

(This was supposed to be a reply to an earlier post. Don't know how it ended up here.)
 
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BC1 said:
Not based in truth. We teach an entire class on techniques for breaking the OODA loop of the goblin. There are many tactical techniques employed and have been derived from military use. This knowledge is essential in both CC and OC applications.

Here's a number of books on the subject. Some are derived from military tactics. Link Removed
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I was referring to the "element of surprise" as it applies to concealed carry, not general warfare principles.
 
not really

Open carry isn't a problem if you don't just have your gun sitting there... Holsters that are very difficult to draw for anyone but the user aren't hard to find... Either snapping (twist break, rock break, etc) or kydex are a small price to pay for a little security, and can still be drawn from effectively with practice.
 
jsimmons said:
I was referring to the "element of surprise" as it applies to concealed carry, not general warfare principles.
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Disruption of the OODA loop includes using the element of surprise in personal defense, business negotiations, warfare, etc. The principals are applied the same. Students are taught how to increase the disruption index of their adversary. We teach an entire cours on these techniques. Knowing how to use the element of surprise is an important part of personal defense. Regardless of CC or OC this is a very important part of PD as anyone can be caught behind the reactionary curve. What tools will one employ when this happens? Most people have no idea and anecdotal scenarios don't prepare anyone for real life violent confrontations.
 
NavyLCDR said:
Well... the ignorant part of both statements in question, I would say, would be "many". A more realistic statement would be "A small minority or percentage of..."

I also find it humorous how, if someone makes exactly the same statements about police officers, there would be a number of posters who would come back with "you are just being anti-cop, as usual."
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The "10%'ers rule" holds here as well. They are ALWAYS and everywhere.

GG
 
Excuse my ignorance on this topic, but why does there seem to be so much animosity over the open carry vs concealed carry issue?

Also find it strange that living in a state where open carry is legal without a permit of any kind, yet never see anyone (civilian) do it. Was told by LEOs that "Open carry is not recommended...". All because they are worried that some dumbed downed drone making a call about a handgun in a holster?
 
SR40c said:
Excuse my ignorance on this topic, but why does there seem to be so much animosity over the open carry vs concealed carry issue?

Also find it strange that living in a state where open carry is legal without a permit of any kind, yet never see anyone (civilian) do it. Was told by LEOs that "Open carry is not recommended...". All because they are worried that some dumbed downed drone making a call about a handgun in a holster?
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Not really sure where it comes from...my guess is anonymous identity. You will hear it differently from each side as to why there is such animosity...but speaking from the OC side..

We open carry for many reason that we can back up with studies and stories. We get called names frequently from other gun owners and LEO's for doing nothing wrong, which in turn fuels the fire to be angry back. When we see someone post, what seems to us to be a lie or unsubstantiated claims, we call them out. Which in turn causes them to start calling names again. This seems to be a universal truth across USACarry though...eventually it turns into name calling, doesn't matter what the subject is.
 
Hm, I suppose it can happen that way ... doesn't mean it has to every time. Besides if they followed this guy randomly and he'd had it covered up he may still not have had a chance to draw or get it wrestled away.
 
I know where I come from if a person claims to be afraid of someone OC'ing and this person reports said individual it can be used against the person carrying the firearm as incitement, or otherwise not deserving of a license to carry. It's a shot in the dark but not worth going to court over. regardless of the fact that we have permits to carry, not concealed or otherwise. welcome to massachusetts.
 
So, in Massachusetts, if I have PTSD and camouflage clothing triggers it, and I call the police in Massachusetts because someone wearing camo pants scared me, they can cite the person for incitement?
 
in massachusetts, you don't need a license to wear camo, LCDR. so who cares if someone calls the cops on you for wearing camo? for christ sake having my permit isn't a damned crusade. if, FOR ANY REASON, a person reports you to the police at all, the authority that issued your license CAN TAKE IT AWAY, if they so choose. and yes, if it came down to a trial, the licensee would probably win. i don't have that kind of time to throw away in court. maybe you do. great, fantastic. could you please stop taking every little thing i say into your own personal war? if you want to fight the good fight, then do it my friend, i'm just telling it how it is. I CAN OPEN CARRY, I CHOOSE NOT TO. i WISH i could move to new hampshire, i CANNOT. stop being a damned jerk about EVERYTHING I POST! this is my favorite site and all you do is stomp on every post i place. give it a damned rest, man!
 
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dusted said:
in massachusetts, you don't need a license to wear camo, LCDR. so who cares if someone calls the cops on you for wearing camo? for christ sake having my permit isn't a damned crusade. if, FOR ANY REASON, a person reports you to the police at all, the authority that issued your license CAN TAKE IT AWAY, if they so choose. and yes, if it came down to a trial, the licensee would probably win. i don't have that kind of time to throw away in court. maybe you do. great, fantastic. could you please stop taking every little thing i say into your own personal war? if you want to fight the good fight, then do it my friend, i'm just telling it how it is. I CAN OPEN CARRY, I CHOOSE NOT TO. i WISH i could move to new hampshire, i CANNOT. stop being a damned jerk about EVERYTHING I POST! this is my favorite site and all you do is stomp on every post i place. give it a damned rest, man!
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Maybe you should rest and see if you have run out of chill pills. I was making a comment about asinine statutes in Massachusetts. Damn, it's a good thing that this forum is about personal defense, because there a lot of defensive people on here.
 
sir, with all due respect, your comment on the asinine statutes in massachusetts was asinine. if anyone has a problem with ANYTHING nowadays it's actionable. protecting one's right to wear camo is much easier than protection one's right to carry a firearm in mass. so please excuse my reaction. it isn't easy to get a permit and keep it in this state. wearing camo is as easy as going to the nearest military surplus store. your response to my my response was unnecessarily incendiary. what exactly is a "chill pill"? do they issue those in the navy? because personally i rarely use tylenol. i'm not exactly learned in pills.
 
dusted said:
what exactly is a "chill pill"? do they issue those in the navy? because personally i rarely use tylenol. i'm not exactly learned in pills.
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