Florida teen killed by ccw holder

[Mojo57]

I agree that the attack on the law based on what this one guy did is ridiculous. Of course, it's opportunistic by the anti crowd. I have yet to see a poorly written self defense law that when applied correctly serves its purpose. If the guy didn't act in self defense then WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE LAW?? If he did, then I guess the facts support it.

 

[walt629]

Something else to consider, why is this outcry so loud? Is it because it has turned from the tragic death of a young man to the killing of an unarmed BLACK teen?

Factor this in to the argument. The rate of black on black crime (murder include) is higher than it's been in years' but you don't hear about it in the news like this. The outcry comes when there is another race involved. It seems that a black kid killing a black kid does not warrant this level of national attention. So if you think the coverage and bias is not racially based, I would ask you to reconsider the motives of the media.

The liberal media will fan the flames of division as much as they have to if it favors the agenda of the left.

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[cmhbob]

The single burning question of "why didn't the young man identify himself" has been swept under the rug and all guilt has been placed on Zimmerman. No culpability, from what I've seen and read, has been assigned to the victim.

Culpability for what? walking while black? Trayvon Martin had just as much right to be where he was as Zimmerman. Trayvon's father lived about 1000 yards away from where Trayvon died. Trayvon was a guest in the complex. Maybe an irregular guest. Maybe lost.

Did George Zimmerman identify himself as Twin Lakes Neighborhood Watch Citizen Patrol? Not according to the phone call that Trayvon was having with his girlfriend when everything went south.

Stand Your Ground works both ways here. If you're allowed to be where you are, then you don't have to back down. Both men were allowed to be where they were.

 

[SGB]

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.............. just some more conjecture

 

[cmhbob]

Disagree, Walt. The outcry started after the family felt that the cops had not investigate the homicide properly. It seems at this point that their concerns were justified. Remember that this happened 26 February, and things have only gotten a lot of notice a week ago.

You can't deny a racial aspect to this, given the comments Zimmerman made in 911 recordings.

 

[c45man]

As one poster stated, this is why people dislike ccw holders. The type of people that dislike ccw holders would not lighten their opinion if this incident did not happen. There are 850 thousand permit holders in florida, and statistics would clearly provide for some irresponsible individuals among the multitudes.

Of course, there are some leftist newspaper types that are making a pathetic attempt to equate this shooting with the stand your ground legislation which is in Fla. These buffoon writers use the term shoot first and ask questions later. What the degenerates of the left intentionally ignore is that the shooting must be legitimate before one could use the aforementioned as a defense.

 

[rifleshooter474]

As one poster stated, this is why people dislike ccw holders. The type of people that dislike ccw holders would not lighten their opinion if this incident did not happen. There are 850 thousand permit holders in florida, and statistics would clearly provide for some irresponsible individuals among the multitudes.

Of course, there are some leftist newspaper types that are making a pathetic attempt to equate this shooting with the stand your ground legislation which is in Fla. These buffoon writers use the term shoot first and ask questions later. What the degenerates of the left intentionally ignore is that the shooting must be legitimate before one could use the aforementioned as a defense.

I agree along with just committing murder he has hurt all of us law abiding CCW permit holders. As far as the stand your ground law is implied. I was told when the guy who accused me of pointing my handgun at him, I have been told by a few if I had just shot and killed him and then said he threatened my life. I would not ever been charged with anything. Now I don't think this is the real way they intended on the law to be used. But again you can bet it's not going to be good for CCW people in any small way.

 

[SGB]

I agree along with just committing murder he has hurt all of us law abiding CCW permit holders.[ As far as the stand your ground law is implied. I was told when the guy who accused me of pointing my handgun at him, I have been told by a few if I had just shot and killed him and then said he threatened my life. I would not ever been charged with anything. Now I don't think this is the real way they intended on the law to be used. But again you can bet it's not going to be good for CCW people in any small way.

What hurts us all are people who draw conclusions from agenda driven Media that misrepresent conjecture for fact while suppressing the truth.

 

[wjh2657]

What really happened doesn't matter. Incident will be perceived by public as a a "murder" because of an"evil" law. It will change Florida law and is most likely to bleed over to cause law changes in other states. Do not sell this incident short. This is the "smoking gun" for the Brady crowd to force changes in state laws. Election year and lots of public outrage is not a good mix for using good sense in legislation.

 

[Bttbbob]

That's my point, this guy has had the deck stacked against him from the beginning. Lies in the paper, the kid pictures, parents hire lawyer to freeze all back ground, shut down all history from internet on the kid. Race baiting by news and NAACP, Black Panthers and my main man Al Sharpton. Political pressure so severe that the Chief of PD stepped down and the District Attorney stepped down. The FBI involved, FDLE and the DOJ. AND HE ISN'T IN JAIL YET. Somebody has forensic evidence with proof of innocence.

 

[Seeya]

This situation is RIDICULOUS! All because one yahoo out there got tons of bad press from the libs, every lemming and his brother is calling for reform to the Stand Your Ground. Now I'm not discussing the shooter whatever his motive may be, but the movement behind it. There will always be people trying to bend the law, big whoop, how bout some new news. To say that after this, they need to reform our constitutional rights is beyond ludicrous. We shouldn't have a "duty" to retreat by law, its already our duty as a CCW.

The Police have no duty to protect. why do we as private people have a duty to retreat? I personaly with avoid a confrontation if at all possiable as that would be my best protection of me and mine.

Police have no responsibility to protect individuals (reference)

 

[Seeya]

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.............. just some more conjecture

I needed that laugh this morning! thanks

 

[agrippakc]

All the facts of this case are still out there and have yet to be revealed. I reserve judgement until after all the smoke clears... if people don't catch him and burn him at the stake first. I hope he stays safe until he is either condemned or rendered blameless.

 

[marcus40]

I sure will be glad when this plays out and hopefully the end result will not affect our right to concealed carry, my state just adopted the Castle Law the 1st of Dec-2011, NC.
Marcus

 

[sgtyoung85]

If you are on the ground being stomped on, your inability to roll with the punch or kick will likely lead to serious injury or death.

I heard the 911 call on NPR this morning, the guy was screaming for help. It was obvious he was having the crap stomped out of him. Injury to the back and front of the head probably indicates that his head was being smashed against the ground.

NOTE: Everything I have just said is pure conjecture, just like the rest of the article.

If he didn't follow kid like he admitted to on the 911 call, he wouldn't had gotten his ass whipped and his head stomped. He should had let the police handle the situation.

 

[SGB]

If he didn't follow kid like he admitted to on the 911 call, he wouldn't had gotten his ass whipped and his head stomped. He should had let the police handle the situation.

Well following that line of logic if TM hadn't gotten suspended from school he wouldn't have been there to begin with, and he wouldn't be dead.

 

[cmhbob]

Uh...what?

I doubt the suspension had anything to do with him visiting his dad to watch basketball games.

 

[wtf1984]

Looks like the police have had a witness all along that confirms zimmerman's story. That along with the stress test (lie detector) that zimmerman passed clears both the police and zimmermn in my mind.

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So what's up with the press, shoddy reporting or a planned agenda?

 

[walt629]

Looks like the police have had a witness all along that confirms zimmerman's story. That along with the stress test (lie detector) that zimmerman passed clears both the police and zimmermn in my mind.

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So what's up with the press, shoddy reporting or a planned agenda?

Bias of course. The media has long been in lockstep with the anti-gun agenda of the political left. But more so for the ratings. Evidence that proves the 'little angle' wasn't, would not be good for the ratings.

 

[walt629]

Uh...what?

I doubt the suspension had anything to do with him visiting his dad to watch basketball games.

The young man lives with his mother and attends school in the Miami area. If he had not been suspended from school for marijuana possession, he would not have been at his fathers home in the first place. No he wasn't there for spring break (March 12 - 16)

If he wasn't suspended and at his fathers, there is a very strong possibility he'd still be alive. So yeah, it does have some bearing on the outcome.

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