corneileous
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That's for them to worry about, not you.
Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?
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Bikenut
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Perhaps this would be a good place for this bit of food for thought:
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First They Came - Pastor Martin Niemoller
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
That says to me that if I don't stand up for others eventually there will not be anyone left to stand up for me.
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First They Came - Pastor Martin Niemoller
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
That says to me that if I don't stand up for others eventually there will not be anyone left to stand up for me.
corneileous
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Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?
I know you're gonna argue this immensely but that's hardly the same thing.
We're talking about millions of defensive gun carriers who carry past these ridiculous signs every day not causing any harm whatsoever to the owner. Might even save his life someday so he can be alive to sue the defensive gun carrier who disobeyed his little sign as he purely and clearly carried for defense.
You keep forgetting about the bad people who, don't follow laws and who carry past the sign to do harm. To rob. To murder.
But no, just as these idiotic store owners who think gun free zones work, you're too worried about the wrong group of people just because it is regarded as tresspassing.
I know you're gonna argue this immensely but that's hardly the same thing.
We're talking about millions of defensive gun carriers who carry past these ridiculous signs every day not causing any harm whatsoever to the owner. Might even save his life someday so he can be alive to sue the defensive gun carrier who disobeyed his little sign as he purely and clearly carried for defense.
You keep forgetting about the bad people who, don't follow laws and who carry past the sign to do harm. To rob. To murder.
But no, just as these idiotic store owners who think gun free zones work, you're too worried about the wrong group of people just because it is regarded as tresspassing.
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Bikenut
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Whether those gun carriers cause any harm to the property owner or not and whether they might save a life (they might miss and take a life, maybe even the property owner's life, too) does not justify disrespecting the property owner's rights.
The point I continue to present is that it may be convenient to shop at a no guns business yet no one forcing anyone to patronize a business with a no guns policy/rule and no one has any right to be on/in that private property in the first place.
I keep seeing the argument that the only choices are to put one's self in danger by disarming in order to respect the property owner's rights or to choose to disrespect the property owner's rights by sneaking a concealed gun in. But there is a third choice and that is to shop elsewhere. After all, if folks didn't go into that property with a no guns policy/rule there wouldn't be any need to defend themselves or others.
The upside of that is everyone's rights are respected and no money is spent increasing the profits of the property owner with the no guns policy/rule. I cannot understand why anyone who wants their right to bear arms respected would help a business property owner make enough profits to enable him to open yet another no guns business.
The downside is suffering the inconvenience and perhaps a bit of extra cost of shopping elsewhere.
I am not forgetting about the bad people who don't follow laws and carry past the signs to do harm. I am presenting the option that if folks respected the property owner's right to have no guns policies/rules and shopped elsewhere those bad people would not be a concern since folks wouldn't even be there when the bad people did harm.
corneileous
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Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?
You're right, there is. And if that's important enough to whoever to do that, good for them. You fail to realize though, that that's not always a feasible option for everyone. But you will never see that because you are too worried about something that you shouldn't oughtta be worrying about.
Actually, what you fail the most at is letting your arrogance get in the way and letting yourself believe that it's up to you to judge what other people do.
You've stated your opinion but, that's not enough for you. You, a non-business owner, who is not having his rights trampled over a gun free zone, is putting way too much into this.
But since the goofy liberals believe these gun free zones work and are more worried about mine and your defensive carry, there's still gonna be blood on the floor each and every time it gets proven THAT GUN FREE ZONES DO NOT WORK.
First off, who ever in this thread said they wished the gun hating, liberal store owners would respect their 2nd amendment rights?
Second, I can't understand why you keep trying so hard at this.
So again, you're foolishly trying to speak for everyone. Not only that but you are also lumping the good carriers into the same pile as the evil ones.
Also, again, you will never convince everyone to stay out of gun free zones so that only the ignorant owner gets to reap what he has sown when he finds out the hard way that gun free zones don't work.
Again, that's not for you to decide. Nor does that justify you to annoy everyone on here with your rhetoric. You are not the business owner! Stop acting as such!
You're right, nobody is forcing us to do anything. Why do you keep assuming we are as such?
Duly noted. Again. But like I've said sooooooo many times, that's non of your business. It's not up to you and it's not your responsibility to scold anyone for doing it. Period.
So?
You're right, there is. And if that's important enough to whoever to do that, good for them. You fail to realize though, that that's not always a feasible option for everyone. But you will never see that because you are too worried about something that you shouldn't oughtta be worrying about.
Actually, what you fail the most at is letting your arrogance get in the way and letting yourself believe that it's up to you to judge what other people do.
You've stated your opinion but, that's not enough for you. You, a non-business owner, who is not having his rights trampled over a gun free zone, is putting way too much into this.
Good luck convincing each and every person in this country to exactly that.
But since the goofy liberals believe these gun free zones work and are more worried about mine and your defensive carry, there's still gonna be blood on the floor each and every time it gets proven THAT GUN FREE ZONES DO NOT WORK.
First off, who ever in this thread said they wished the gun hating, liberal store owners would respect their 2nd amendment rights?
Second, I can't understand why you keep trying so hard at this.
By going in there, we aren't helping him nor are we hindering him by not going in there.
Again, you're missing the point of how futile your attempt is to hurt the owner.
So again, you're foolishly trying to speak for everyone. Not only that but you are also lumping the good carriers into the same pile as the evil ones.
Also, again, you will never convince everyone to stay out of gun free zones so that only the ignorant owner gets to reap what he has sown when he finds out the hard way that gun free zones don't work.
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Bikenut
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Folks do not have to be directly affected before they have reason to get involved in something. Lots of white folks certainly were not black and didn't experience the discriminatory treatment that black people did yet many white people defended the civil rights of black people for no other reason than they considered it the right thing to do.
And caring about rights being disrespected is reason enough especially when folks start thinking it is OK to disrespect the rights of property owners as long as it is convenient to do so. That kind of thinking can result in other folks starting to think it is OK to disrespect other rights as long as it is convenient for them to do so.
And if my posts annoy you then put me on ignore.
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Bikenut
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Actually I have no chance of convincing you. Neither you nor I know if any of the other folks reading this exchange between you and I have changed the way they view private property rights because of the perspectives presented in my posts. And as long as there is a possibility that someone will put more thought into private property rights I will continue to present that perspective for no other reason than I think it is important to do so. Whether you, or anyone else, thinks defending the rights of others isn't important is immaterial.
corneileous
Active member
Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?
Just because day in, day out, millions of defensive conceal carriers disobey and pass right by the owner's "robbers welcome" signs, is no excuse for you to get involved. Again..... It. Is. Not. Your. Fight. It's not even any of your business.
But again, if the business owner really cared about no guns in his store, before he actually caught anybody, he'd make damn sure that NOBODY carried in his store. Even the one that may save his life someday.
People are gonna do what they think they need to do.
You wanna know somethin', tho? Even when I started carrying, I didn't have to be "taught" to disrespect these anti, gun-hating store owner's rights to make faulty, piss poor gun free zones. I did that all on my own.
Anywho, so far, the only annoying part of your posts is that you continue to constantly argue and repeat the same ole rhetoric. The same ole rhetoric that the thread has heard umpteen million times.
But I'm curious, why does it seem you are only concerned about convincing me to stay out of gun free zones? Apparently you missed my point when I said that you'd have to convince EVERYBODY to stay out as so that NO ONE would have to worry about getting hurt in these places.
But carry on. Keep sticking that nose where it don't belong, I don't care.
In most things, no, they do not. Things like this, yes, they do. It's not the same thing as trying to help the neighbor's dog who is being mistreated by his owner, for example.
Just because day in, day out, millions of defensive conceal carriers disobey and pass right by the owner's "robbers welcome" signs, is no excuse for you to get involved. Again..... It. Is. Not. Your. Fight. It's not even any of your business.
No it's not. Worry about yourself. That's one of the main problems with this country is too many people like you keep worrying about other people's affairs!
They already do!!.....lol. Have been for years, and years, and years.
But again, if the business owner really cared about no guns in his store, before he actually caught anybody, he'd make damn sure that NOBODY carried in his store. Even the one that may save his life someday.
They already do! Have been for years!!!...lol.
People are gonna do what they think they need to do.
You wanna know somethin', tho? Even when I started carrying, I didn't have to be "taught" to disrespect these anti, gun-hating store owner's rights to make faulty, piss poor gun free zones. I did that all on my own.
First off, I thought this was always my line to you?? Funny how all the sudden the tides have turned??
Anywho, so far, the only annoying part of your posts is that you continue to constantly argue and repeat the same ole rhetoric. The same ole rhetoric that the thread has heard umpteen million times.
You don't. You never did. But you sure tried. Failed miserably, tho.
But I'm curious, why does it seem you are only concerned about convincing me to stay out of gun free zones? Apparently you missed my point when I said that you'd have to convince EVERYBODY to stay out as so that NO ONE would have to worry about getting hurt in these places.
You're right. Don't know, don't care. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, tho. But I assure you, in this day of age, people are gonna do what they are gonna do, no matter what.
Have at it, pal.
It's not that I think it's unimportant or insignificant, I just don't think it's your right to make other people's business your own.
But carry on. Keep sticking that nose where it don't belong, I don't care.
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Bikenut
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There are folks, myself included, who think one of the main problems with this country is too many people are only concerned with the rights they like and do not give a fig about the rights they don't like. Just because I don't own a business doesn't mean I should not be concerned about private property rights. On the contrary since anytime any right is successfully attacked then all rights become in danger of being attacked.
There is another problem in this country and that is many ordinary citizens don't care about anything unless they personally benefit. I thank God there are people in the military who are willing to risk being maimed and killed as they fight to protect the rights of those at home. All the rights including the private property right of the property owner to ban guns on/in his business whether those folks in the military ever own a business or not.
Thing is... your posts don't annoy me. Actually your posts against private property rights offer me an opportunity to stand up for private property rights and I thank you for that.
I shall continue to fight for rights, even those rights I don't like, regardless of if you or anyone else cares just because I believe it is the right thing to do.
corneileous
Active member
Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?
It's when people like you think they have a sworn duty and responsibility to scold people over things that y'all don't like. Believe it or not, there's a bunch of things I don't like. But I'm not gonna take it upon myself to jump everybody's @ss about it because.... It's. None. Of. My. Business. What. Other. People. Do.
Like I said, it ain't up to you to tell me and every other person who carries anyway past these "robbers welcome" signs to not do it. That's between us and the property owner. When we carry concealed, he doesn't even know it!!.....[emoji33] Magine that!
I'm sorry, that was just too much.
The great men and women in our military are fighting for much, MUCH more than just the right for these boneheaded store owners to maintain their right to run poorly operated gun free zones. Just because this right that you keep blabbering about is part of it that they fight for, or if you will, a byproduct of it, it still deserves absolutely no emphasis at all. Besides, I bet if you asked a soldier, whether he/she was active duty or retired, if they fought specifically or for even one second, even thought about the private business owners right for gun free zones they were defending, you'd probably get throat punched.
Another thing: Just like when Colin Kaepernick of the 9'ers was taking a kneel at games, refusing to salute the flag during the National Anthem. That was also a right that was fought for. Even a couple of members of military even said that. Do you really think that while they were fighting in wars that they were proud to fight for Colin's right to disrespect the flag like that, the very same flag they fought for?? Same goes with maintaining the rights for these idiotic store owners to mastermind gun free zones that get people killed??
Good for you.
Not so much though, for you to keep imposing your will and thinking it's your job and responsibility to create so much awareness about the right to gun free zones that people continue to die in, regardless of what you say about recommending people stay out of them. Which, I'm not saying is a bad idea, I'm just saying it's impossible. You can't control everybody.
Only the proud people who actually think their opposition towards gun free zone businesses are the ones who think they are doing good by avoiding these places like the plague are putting these people in a bind. As I've said so many times, if there was a "gun welcome" store right next door to the "robbers welcome" store, I assure you, I would go in that store and patronage them with my business just to prove a point. But you don't understand past that point. You think no amount of inconvenience no matter how great, should be spared just to prove your point and, I disagree. Extremely. Some things, yes, some things, no.
There's nothing wrong with being concerned. Good for you for caring about all rights whether you like each and every single one of them or not. Be concerned, all you want. But::::::
It's when people like you think they have a sworn duty and responsibility to scold people over things that y'all don't like. Believe it or not, there's a bunch of things I don't like. But I'm not gonna take it upon myself to jump everybody's @ss about it because.... It's. None. Of. My. Business. What. Other. People. Do.
Like I said, it ain't up to you to tell me and every other person who carries anyway past these "robbers welcome" signs to not do it. That's between us and the property owner. When we carry concealed, he doesn't even know it!!.....[emoji33] Magine that!
Rights get attacked every day. What's your point??
Last time I checked, America was a free country, wasn't it?
LOLOLOL!!!!
I'm sorry, that was just too much.
The great men and women in our military are fighting for much, MUCH more than just the right for these boneheaded store owners to maintain their right to run poorly operated gun free zones. Just because this right that you keep blabbering about is part of it that they fight for, or if you will, a byproduct of it, it still deserves absolutely no emphasis at all. Besides, I bet if you asked a soldier, whether he/she was active duty or retired, if they fought specifically or for even one second, even thought about the private business owners right for gun free zones they were defending, you'd probably get throat punched.
Another thing: Just like when Colin Kaepernick of the 9'ers was taking a kneel at games, refusing to salute the flag during the National Anthem. That was also a right that was fought for. Even a couple of members of military even said that. Do you really think that while they were fighting in wars that they were proud to fight for Colin's right to disrespect the flag like that, the very same flag they fought for?? Same goes with maintaining the rights for these idiotic store owners to mastermind gun free zones that get people killed??
LOL, ok. So, asking me to place you on ignore, is not a sign of me annoying you?
Good for you.
Not so much though, for you to keep imposing your will and thinking it's your job and responsibility to create so much awareness about the right to gun free zones that people continue to die in, regardless of what you say about recommending people stay out of them. Which, I'm not saying is a bad idea, I'm just saying it's impossible. You can't control everybody.
Only the proud people who actually think their opposition towards gun free zone businesses are the ones who think they are doing good by avoiding these places like the plague are putting these people in a bind. As I've said so many times, if there was a "gun welcome" store right next door to the "robbers welcome" store, I assure you, I would go in that store and patronage them with my business just to prove a point. But you don't understand past that point. You think no amount of inconvenience no matter how great, should be spared just to prove your point and, I disagree. Extremely. Some things, yes, some things, no.
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Bikenut
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Then if it is none of your business what other people do why are you jumping my posterior about what I'm doing when I defend private property rights?
Interesting since, while our military fights for much more than the right of the property owner to ban guns in his business the private property right to ban guns is still part of what they fight for.
It is because rights get attacked every day that rights need people to fight to defend those rights. Doesn't matter if you don't think that is important or not. What matters is what those who do the defending think is important.
Yes the United States of America is still a somewhat free country which means I have the freedom to visit this website/forum. A website/forum that is a private property business and, as long as I obey the rules the owner has set as conditions to have his permission to be on/in his property, I will be allowed to point out that those who expect their right to bear arms be respected while disrespecting the private property owner's right to deny entry to his business to those who bear arms are being hypocritical.
corneileous
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Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?
I'll remind you again, at least from MY standpoint, I couldn't care less if these boneheaded store owners who hate guns disrespect my rights to own and bear arms. That's what makes this country great is the fact that I don't have to care. I can like what I want and I can hate what I want to hate. And so can they.
As far as the hypocrisy stuff though, is it against the law to be a hypocrite? Not saying I am one, just asking if it is since you like using that a lot in your argument.
Lol, I was trying to prove a point about saying it's not your job, responsibility or any of your business to fight someone else's battle for them especially when you do not have anything at stake because you are not one of the business owners but I guess you just proved to the entire thread once again that my point flew right over the top of your head when you resorted to trickery by attempting to turn the context of my post against me. Nice try though, with the deflection but, mega-fail.
So what. You sure do like putting a lot of emphasis on moot points.
Another moot point that has been repeated by you the first time too many, proves nothing and contributes nothing to the topic at hand but, ok.
Another moot point that has been repeated by you the first time too many, proves nothing and contributes nothing to the topic at hand but, ok.
Again, WHO, in this thread is expecting their rights to bear arms be respected by the anti-gunners, the same people who believe in and create these worthless gun free zones? You keep saying that like you can't understand the hypocrisy but, YOU are the ONLY one saying it. As a matter of fact, you've used that idiotic little defense way too many times. Even the first time was one time was too many.
I'll remind you again, at least from MY standpoint, I couldn't care less if these boneheaded store owners who hate guns disrespect my rights to own and bear arms. That's what makes this country great is the fact that I don't have to care. I can like what I want and I can hate what I want to hate. And so can they.
As far as the hypocrisy stuff though, is it against the law to be a hypocrite? Not saying I am one, just asking if it is since you like using that a lot in your argument.
corneileous
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But as you can hopefully see, we are once again getting nowhere with this conversation. You're going to continue to resort to your age-old rhetoric of saying how it's so wrong it is for us to disrespect the poor little store owners right to carry past his sign when he does nothing else to bar the real threat who's also carrying. Blah, blah, blah.
You're gonna continue assuming that who all does so, somehow mysteriously has proven to you that we want our rights respected from these same people when, although I'm not going to speak for everyone but, have told you time and time again that I don't expect reciprocity of respect of the rights from the people who think gun free zone signs work.
You're gonna continue basically arguing the same ole content. Maybe not to me but to someone else new will eventually join the discussion just for you to repeat yourself all over again. Have fun with that.
You're gonna continue assuming that who all does so, somehow mysteriously has proven to you that we want our rights respected from these same people when, although I'm not going to speak for everyone but, have told you time and time again that I don't expect reciprocity of respect of the rights from the people who think gun free zone signs work.
You're gonna continue basically arguing the same ole content. Maybe not to me but to someone else new will eventually join the discussion just for you to repeat yourself all over again. Have fun with that.
golddigger14s
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Almost 1200 threads regurgitating the same **** amazing. When are you all going to give it up?
HKS
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Happiness is a warm gun.
My gun is warmest when it is concealed under my sweatshirt or sweater vest and/or jacket.
I am happiest with it with me.
I do not appreciate anyone else for any reason infringing on my 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights.
I carry concealed 24/7/365. My warm gun sleeps under my pillow with me at night.
During the day it goes with me everywhere in its holster in the 3 oclock position at my side where I can unconceal, draw, and fire it accurately in less than 1 second.
My gun is warmest when it is concealed under my sweatshirt or sweater vest and/or jacket.
I am happiest with it with me.
I do not appreciate anyone else for any reason infringing on my 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights.
I carry concealed 24/7/365. My warm gun sleeps under my pillow with me at night.
During the day it goes with me everywhere in its holster in the 3 oclock position at my side where I can unconceal, draw, and fire it accurately in less than 1 second.
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Bikenut
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And I am sure that you will not be able to resist responding with the same old content of insults and ridicule you have repeated over and over again.
Have a nice day.
corneileous
Active member
Um, alright, I guess. I thought I was being fairly civil this go 'round and did a good job refraining from insults and ridicule but, whatever. Might I remind you though, you're the one who insisted on continuing the discussion of this topic, who wanted to continue scolding us and get all this awareness raised about our disrespectful, defiant and mean-spirited need to sneak.... our gun in these places when the real bad guy sneaks.... hisgun in as well.
Back atcha, pardner!
corneileous
Active member
Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?
You mean posts?
Hey, I was happy with most of all I said the first time but.......... well, you can read. Lol.
Hopefully soon.
Ditto, getting really old. Time to go some where else, bye!
AC Orange
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LOL. the Genasi /Blueshell dude already got himself banned. That didn't take long !
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