Concealed carry badges?

kwo51 said:

When do we get to change underwear?

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January 20, 2009

Concealed Carry Badges

This topic has been discussed to death in just about every pro-gun forum out there. That being said, let me say I own one of those badges (not the chintzy kind we all normally think of) which bears my name, permit number and state. Why? Because I can. I am not an LEO and would never flash it pretending that I am (only an idiot would do that). But it might just come in handy after a defensive shooting in which I'm unable to holster my weapon as the LEOs arrive, causing them to momentarily hesitate in taking me out and allowing me to put the gun down and drop to my knees with my hands behind my head, begging them not to shoot. Hey - it's worth a try!

NDS said:

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That we have to jump through hoops and be licensed to exercise a right that is already ours is criminal on the part of the government. Arguing over badges is a sideshow because badges are meant to show rank, station, or purpose. Nobody needs to give notice of something everyone can rightfully do.

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+1 Insightful.

A badge actually acts to subvert the standing of self-defense as a universal right, and to instead frame it as an elite privilege.

As with most things that draw the eyes of bad guys you are the first shot. Badge, shirt and ball cap with LEO or swat make good targets.

dancingwolf said:

This topic has been discussed to death in just about every pro-gun forum out there. That being said, let me say I own one of those badges (not the chintzy kind we all normally think of) which bears my name, permit number and state. Why? Because I can. I am not an LEO and would never flash it pretending that I am (only an idiot would do that). But it might just come in handy after a defensive shooting in which I'm unable to holster my weapon as the LEOs arrive, causing them to momentarily hesitate in taking me out and allowing me to put the gun down and drop to my knees with my hands behind my head, begging them not to shoot. Hey - it's worth a try!

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That's what I said, just not anywhere as well done as you phrased it. Thanks.

dancingwolf said:

This topic has been discussed to death in just about every pro-gun forum out there. That being said, let me say I own one of those badges (not the chintzy kind we all normally think of) which bears my name, permit number and state. Why? Because I can. I am not an LEO and would never flash it pretending that I am (only an idiot would do that). But it might just come in handy after a defensive shooting in which I'm unable to holster my weapon as the LEOs arrive, causing them to momentarily hesitate in taking me out and allowing me to put the gun down and drop to my knees with my hands behind my head, begging them not to shoot. Hey - it's worth a try!

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At what point does the badge assist you in doing this?

Nuff said.....

i have a badge

look i dont think thay are bad not at all .look if you are in a store or anyother place you are allowed to carry people dont get worryed as fast of you .and dont look at you like you are a threat to them also i got mine from a memphis leo lmao you cant get in troble for wearing one. unnnnnnnnnless you go around flashing it saying im a cop or im fbi (ect. you can have a badge for anything right??? what does it matter what somone has a badge for ???? the fact is people that carry one is to calm others down when wearing it when thay see what it says thay go about there bizz anyway . do you really think someone freaks out and says you got a gun he has a gun and you say i have my permit back thay wont freak out .now take some one with the badge thay dont even look at it and freak out bleave i know dont it both ways and bleave me i would rather have mine

There is only one reason to have a badge. That is to avert issues if a member of the public spots your gun. If they also see the badge, they are less likely to call the police and report someone with a weapon.

Other than that, no reason to carry one. Any cop is going to want to see your permit and not some badge.

:neo:Badges, we don't need no stinking badges mon

Don't get caught with a badge in Montana unless you are an LEO.

The wearing of a badge by a civilian scarily shouts, "I'm impersonating a peace officer!"

Yeah kind of bad idea, over the years I have ran into too many cop wannabes and any kind of badge just may inspire them to do something stupid.

Badge?

New Mexico Dept. of Public Safety: 10.8.2.16; G. Indicia of Licensure - "NO person who is not a LEO, may carry a badge, patch, card ... other than the CCW license issued ...". Not even a question about this in New Mexico - forbidden - and a good idea! We are the "stealth carriers", not the police force. :no:
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I didn't read the page after page of responses, but I believe the CCW badge is a terrible idea. If you want to carry a badge, then become a cop. If you can't then don't pose.

Why is this 3 pages ?:hang3:

haveme1 said:

Why is this 3 pages ?:hang3:

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joespahr said:

Not only does it make you look like you are trying to pretend to be a cop, I would also be worried that a DA could tell a jury that you were trying to be a cop and out looking for trouble. Carrying a badge in addition to your license and weapon gives the impression of premeditation-at least to me...

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This is exactly what came to mind.

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1. An incident happens.
2. You draw your weapon and either shoot the perpetrator (in which case you reholster for safekeeping), or end up holding them at gunpoint.
3. The cops show up. If you are still holding your weapon, they will ask you to put it down. You put it down.
4. The police will confiscate your firearm and probably empty and secure it.
5. The police ask for your CWP permit, and you give that permit to them.
6. Not being an idiot, you act normal, and calmly inform the LEOs what happened.
7. Witness accounts should roughly corroborate your story.
8. During the next 4 hours or so while everyone stands around picking their ears and looking at the yellow police tape surrounding the scene, you'll have ample amount of time to be cooperative with LE and/or call your lawyer.
9. You might get detained or arrested. Go along with them, and later you can figure out if you want to sue.

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I opened a can of worms on this one, and I'm sorry, guys. But it was all asked in innocence. But let me first state (and then maybe we can put this issue to bed) that I never mentioned wearing the badge in full view of anyone - in the case of the badge I pictured (sold by a company who furnishes badges to the LEO community), it came with a small wallet that also held your carry permit, which I would also assume you wouldn't be wearing on your lapel or belt. Nor did I mention flashing the badge to impress your buds and girlfriend, any more than you would "flash" your concealed gun to impress people (and we know that happens "sometimes," don't we?).

In reference to item #3 in the list above, when the LEOs arrive at the scene, and you are holding a gun, pointed at the perp, and the perp decides to exclaim, "He's gonna shoot me! Stop him!", will the LEOs calmly ask me to put my gun down, or will they first shoot me to neutralize the threat? Will they ask me to produce my permit AFTER they shoot me? We just watched a video of a LEO shoot an unarmed man in the back in a subway station, and even if that was an accident, imagine what a jumpy LEO might do when faced with the scenario above.

I asked for the input, and even wrote to the local LE offices asking them for input. And they "suggested" that I did not carry a badge, although they said that it was NOT illegal in Florida. And I will respect their, and your, viewpoints here.

Piece Corps said:

... in the case of the badge I pictured (sold by a company who furnishes badges to the LEO community), it came with a small wallet that also held your carry permit, which I would also assume you wouldn't be wearing on your lapel or belt.

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I'm thinking that I'm always going to carry my CCW in my wallet where it can be seen alongside my driver's license. If something should happen to me, if I cannot answer for myself and I need to be identified then I want the LEO, who would be looking through my wallet for ID, to see that I have a CCW and know that I carry my firearm legally. Any LEO's care to comment?