Chipotle: Don't bring guns in our stores
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BluesStringer
Les Brers
And the Moms get just exactly what ol' Saul taught them very well that they would get - bait the enemy to turn on each other and the leftists don't have to fight against the 2nd Amendment, they only have to bait gun owners into calling each other names and threatening to put up gun free zone signs etc. just because the gun-owning-gripers don't like the way the demonstrators demonstrated.
Alinsky saw you guys comin' decades ago.
Blues
Alinsky saw you guys comin' decades ago.
Blues
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
I didn't realize long guns were so bad...maybe they should be banned...*sarcasm*
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BluesStringer
Les Brers
Why is love towards your stated position any more worthy than giving love to activists putting their butts on the line to further open carry normalization? That one picture doesn't represent the totality of that one demonstration. You do realize that, don't you?
And by the way, not in reply to mappow, but for everybody who keeps calling the short guy's rifle an "AK" or "AK-47," it's an SKS and says so right on the picture that was posted.
So which is worse for gun owners, a short guy openly carrying an AKS, AK-47, SKS or AR15? I'm just trying to keep up with the hierarchy of eeeevil black rifles the way that "real" 2nd Amendment "supporters" see them.
Blues
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
Why is love towards your stated position any more worthy than giving love to activists putting their butts on the line to further open carry normalization? That one picture doesn't represent the totality of that one demonstration. You do realize that, don't you?
And by the way, not in reply to mappow, but for everybody who keeps calling the short guy's rifle an "AK" or "AK-47," it's an SKS and says so right on the picture that was posted.
So which is worse for gun owners, a short guy openly carrying an AKS, AK-47, SKS or AR15? I'm just trying to keep up with the hierarchy of eeeevil black rifles the way that "real" 2nd Amendment "supporters" see them.
Blues
Openly carried firearm > Ghost gun > AR (assault rifle) 15 > AK (assault killing) 47> SKS > AKS
I believe that's hierarchy of weapons that need to be banned.
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Bikenut
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Rabid anti gunners want to control all guns and all forms of carry. Gun owning anti gunner "lites" only want to control the guns they don't like and the forms of carry they don't like. The anti gunner "lites" shroud their desire for gun control behind the words "responsible gun owners" and "being considerate of the feelings of others" when the truth of the matter is the anti gunner "lite" wants only the guns they like and only the methods of carry they like protected and are willing to sacrifice the guns and methods of carry that other people like all in the name of supposedly supporting the right to bear arms.
Both the rabid anti gunner and the gun owning anti gunner "lite" believe only those they consider "worthy" should be "allowed" to exercise the right to keep and ... especially.. to bear arms.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Yeah, but Bro, you're a real 2nd Amendment supporter, and I was asking for the "real" 2nd Amendment "supporter's" perspective.
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
Yeah, but Bro, you're a real 2nd Amendment supporter, and I was asking for the "real" 2nd Amendment "supporter's" perspective.
The list is correct...but it seems "real" supporters are using this as identification:
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telpinaro
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The list is correct...but it seems "real" supporters are using this as identification:
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So what do they think an AR-15 looks like?
mappow
New member
Why is love towards your stated position any more worthy than giving love to activists putting their butts on the line to further open carry normalization? That one picture doesn't represent the totality of that one demonstration. You do realize that, don't you?
And by the way, not in reply to mappow, but for everybody who keeps calling the short guy's rifle an "AK" or "AK-47," it's an SKS and says so right on the picture that was posted.
So which is worse for gun owners, a short guy openly carrying an AKS, AK-47, SKS or AR15? I'm just trying to keep up with the hierarchy of eeeevil black rifles the way that "real" 2nd Amendment "supporters" see them.
Blues
Sorry NOT backing down on this. Why would you carry a long gun into a restaurant or day care or gas station or your local bowling ally? NOT that I have ever been anti gun, just stating it doesn't make sense other then to incite reaction. While I DO open carry for the most part. I would not walk into Wally World with my M1 but have no problem OC'ing my full frame 1911A1.
I really can't understand, although legal, why someone would carry a long gun into a business. Also don't understand the Anti-Cop a lot of you are spewing. Bad cops are the anomaly NOT the norm. If they're norm in your part of the country. You and your community are not taking the steps to change the leadership in your community.
Again, MY opinion. I'm sure you all will break bad on me but I could give a rats backside. Juz my outlook, go beat up on someone else.
Nightmare45
NRA LIFE MEMBER
Private property is Private, you may ban who you wish, including police, door to door salesmen and anyone else, property owners right, I for one will no longer spend one dime with them.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Have you missed the part of the story that the demonstration in question happened in Texas? It's against the law to OC handguns in TX. Does that answer the question about "why carry a rifle," or do I need to go into more detail?
While you may not be anti-gun, when it comes to this subject of OC'ing rifles, you're being blatantly anti-2nd-Amendment the way it was intended to work.
Gee mappow, it almost sounds like you're calling me a troll, which if that's the case, you have broken one of your own cardinal rules by replying to (or "feeding") me. Whatever, I never say anything I don't believe to be true, and I believe that slamming on others who make different choices about how to carry than you make for yourself is wrong. Maybe not "anti-gun," but certainly not pro either. Kinda in the middle I guess, which is no different than being anti. It's exactly why I don't support the N R A. They want to make a bunch of choices for me about what's "reasonable" or "acceptable," and I don't like it coming from you anymore than I like it coming from them.
That's great. And when the CC-Only crowd starts telling you you're just doing that for attention, that there's no other reason to OC a handgun, do you feel they are supporting your right to make your own decisions about how to carry? It's utterly atrocious that this has to be explained to someone who OC's "for the most part."
And who's supposed to care whether or not you understand? It's called a right. It's called the 2nd Amendment. Look it up. At only 27 words, most people don't have near the trouble understanding it that you seem to be having.
What the??? Now I'm pissed. You just made me go back through the thread to see what the heck you're referring to as regards this thread, and guess what? The closest anyone has come to an anti-cop message is CharlesMorrison saying something about another poster in the thread, but nothing about cops being at Chipotle or anyplace else. What are you talking about then? Just a general, toss in whatever long-standing beef I have with Blues (and whomever else) so I can make my anti-2nd-Amendment stand sound more credible? Well, that didn't work out so well now did it?
Look dude, here's a short history lesson for you. Government is force. Government uses that force to illegitimately keep people from being free. We are The People. Cops are the government. It always has been and always will be us against them. If you love..."the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
Who do you think Samuel Adams was talking about in that quote? Who was in "servitude" and who were "the hand that feeds you?" The servants were those who wouldn't or didn't have the courage to stand against a tyrannical government. The hands that feed was the government.
I feed myself. I stand on my own two feet and don't, and won't, take anything from this government, including their "protection." There's enough kissers of cops' asses on this forum to satisfy hundreds of their lust for submission. They ain't gonna miss me at all.
And for the record, you were the first to bring anti-cop sentiment into this thread.
Blah blah blah.
Blues
Rhino
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There are several things that get me about their response to you.
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They may have one thing right. Apparently Texas Alcoholic Beverages Commission rules say no long guns are allowed on property licensed to sell or serve alcoholic beverages. However, Chipotle asked that all firearms be kept away, which is far beyond the TABC requirement. I get the distinct impression that Chipotle isn't all that worried about the guns. They just want those nagging nannies off their butts.
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So why take sides now?
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From what I've seen, there was no demonstration and there was no discomfort. Some local folks patronized your establishment while legally carrying their firearms. That isn't a demonstration. And a political group a thousand miles away deciding to take offense to this completely innocent and legal activity that is bothering no one, does not constitute 'discomfort'. It constitutes obstructionism from outside sources. Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America is more than 750 miles from Dallas so their claim of discomfort over the events there is laughable. Certainly they have no standing to pass judgement on the mood or sentiment in the establishment at the time. The pictures certainly don't indicate any undue concern. Having lived in Texas for many years, I can attest that seeing people carrying rifles is a common occurrence, even on a city street. Maybe you should have judged the sentiment at the actual scene rather than take the word of a partisan group 750 miles away who wasn't there, and who has a political axe to grind. That's called fairness and respecting all sides, something you professed in your first sentence above.
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We don't need to hope for that because it's already been worked out through the legislative process. It's perfectly legal. Nobody was asking you to work it out until the outside agitators stepped in and apparently convinced you there was still some legislative process pending. Had you not been so gullible and relied on sources far from the issue who know nothing of local legalities, you would have found that these issues have already been worked out through the legislative process with the elected officials in Texas where your establishment is located.
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They may have one thing right. Apparently Texas Alcoholic Beverages Commission rules say no long guns are allowed on property licensed to sell or serve alcoholic beverages. However, Chipotle asked that all firearms be kept away, which is far beyond the TABC requirement. I get the distinct impression that Chipotle isn't all that worried about the guns. They just want those nagging nannies off their butts.
BC1
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AKS, AK-47, SKS, AR15, .22... You're not entering my eatery carrying any rifle. If I own the business then I'm in the restaurant business, not the gun business or to defend other's rights. I'm here for profit and profit only. And many of the people I earn money from are afraid of guns. I'm not losing that customer base just so someone can make a statement. My property, my rules. The 2nd doesn't apply here and never will because my rights as a private property owner are also guaranteed by the constitution.
Firefighterchen
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Rhino
New member
All true in regards to rights and precedence. But banning concealed carry wasn't necessary to accomplish their goal and satisfying their customer base had nothing to do with it. I don't think they realized the total impact or thought everything through when they made a blanket exclusion. Gun owners are part of their customer base too, and allowing concealed carry wouldn't have panicked the paranoid, unthinking part of their customer base, if that part even existed. There aren't very many people in Texas who are paranoid about guns. And the Moms Demand Action crowd that made such a stink isn't their customer base, at least not at that restaurant anyway. They don't even have a chapter in Dallas. They apparently were just outside agitators sticking their noses in after seeing some pictures on Facebook, sort of like that atheist group in Wisconsin that sticks it's nose in anywhere in the country when it sees something on the internet it doesn't like. There's no local interest. There's no local customer base. They just find a way to insert themselves so they can interfere with other people's lives by forcing their own social or political agenda down the throats of others whether they like it or not. But even if they did have a local presence and even if they were a part of the customer base at that restaurant, you wouldn't need to ban all guns to placate the paranoid customers. All you'd need to do is ban the open carry and display of them. So there is no argument that Chipotle is well within their rights to make such decisions, just as you say. And being a private business, the 2nd amendment does not apply in this situation. They aren't depriving anyone of a constitutional right, also as you pointed out. But the decision they made wasn't to satisfy their customer base. It was political public relations, and it was to get the shrill antagonizers off their backs. Texans don't have a problem with guns, with a few minor exceptions. With details coming out about Texas Alcoholic Beverages Commission regulations, long guns weren't going to be allowed on their properties in Texas anymore anyway, so the situation that prompted this issue would not have been repeated. Their problem therefore was already solved. They didn't need to do anything to placate the paranoid antagonizers other than announce that, with new information in hand, long guns would no longer be allowed in accordance with TABC regulations. Open carry of handguns in Texas is already illegal, so the only other legal ways a firearm would get onto the property would be in the hands of law enforcement or by concealed carry. Since concealed carry wouldn't spark the paranoid Chicken Littles into another hissy fit, there was still no action necessary for Chipotle to accomplish in order to preserve or placate their customer base. In fact, given the number of gun owners in Texas, and elsewhere, that might be affected by this ban, Chipotle has now very negatively impacted their customer base. So all in all, yes, your comments about their rights as a private business and non-governmental entity, and that they have a duty to act in the best interest of their customer base, are completely true. But what they did was very much detrimental to the interest of their customer base, and has more than likely lessened it. I've only been to Chipotle a couple of times because my wife hates Mexican food, but I'll never go again. I also know there are many thousands of gun owners that will never go there again because of this. How many additional customers do you think they'll get from this?
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Thanks for mentioning the host's name and station call-letters. Made it easier to find a podcast.
Link Removed is the host and his sidekick(?) talking about the Chipotle controversy. Those of you in the "those guys are idiots" crowd will love this guy.
Link Removed is Dan Caplis talking with the Founder of Open Carry Texas, C.J. Grisham. Blackthorn's description was accurate, but very abbreviated. You should at least listen to him respond to Caplis' take on OC in general (which he objects to multiple times throughout the two hours).
Following the phone interview with Grisham is a call by the star of the show "American Guns," which I don't know if it's still on or not, but he and Caplis obviously know each other and he at least gives Caplis rationales for OC that he'd never thought of before, even though he remained dismissive of OC being "necessary" or "acceptable" to his tender sensibilities. The American Guns guy is an ex-cop and also is not an OC advocate, but he does think the laws in Denver where a CC weapon accidentally showing can result in a brandishing (type) of charge to be ridiculous, and he seemed to be saying that if OC necessarily became fully legal across the state as a result of fixing Denver's local ordinance, he'd be OK with that. Sort of a "reluctant" advocate I guess.
Now, most here have heard of CJ Grisham before. He's the Army Master Sargent/Iraq and Afghanistan war veteran who was hassled, disarmed, arrested and charged back in April of last year. We discussed it in at least three threads, here, here, and here, in case anyone wants to refresh their memory or get to know about his case for the first time as the case may be.
The two guys in the Chipotle picture are indeed part of Open Carry Texas. Grisham said that someone went inside and asked permission to enter with their rifles, which was given, and that it was actually a Chipotle employee who took that particular picture. The employee posted it to their personal FB page first, where someone from OCT just nabbed it and reposted to the OCT FB page. Grisham also said that OCT has had many OC events at that specific Chipotle location. The Mommies just trolled the OCT FB page for sensationalistic pictures that they could create some controversy with, and VOILA! Here we are fighting over carry methods and 100% meaningless imagery, instead of uniting in condemnation of the Mommies who manufactured a controversy that didn't even exist in that location before they inserted themselves into it! It's truly a circular firing squad we engage in. I'll never get it.
Blues
BC1
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That's absolutely wrong. Hate to break-it to you but the average person doesn't want to see the gun. That's just how it is. Bottom line... don't like my rules then eat elsewhere. And the more you try to force people to accept the gun the more resistance you'll get. In case you guys haven't noticed, we're losing this thing. In 30-40 years there will be no right to carry a gun. As America's youth completes their liberal indoctrination they will give-up their rights like good little clones.
BC1
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I wouldn't care about concealed carry, or OC if legal. But no one is carrying a rifle in my restaurant. I support one gun owner and my place gets a reputation. Apples and oranges. My business and the public's guns don't mix. Long experience has taught me not to trust anyone I don't know.
