Automatic CCW permits for all military vets with honorable DD214 service?


G50AE

Well-known member
Permits for vets could be modeled on the legislation for retired police officers.

And IMHO, that piece of legislation was garbage. If cops need to run around 24/7 with guns, then that shows that Joe Average needs to as well. We should not be giving government employees special privledges just because they have their own union.

Individuals who can provide evidence of current training in their home state, who are not otherwise disqualified from possessing a firearm, and have appropriate douments in their possession would be entitled to carry a conceled firearm notwithstanding any state or local law to the contrary.

That's what is called a "shall-issue" system of carry permitting.
 

S&W645

NRA Life Member
I Agree and Disagree! First, I agree that some military veterans (I being one of them) that have it on their DD214 that they qualified with a pistol, should yes be exempt from weapons firing portion of any training. But, disagree and believe that they should be required to at least go through a portion of a training class on how to conceal carry and legal portion of any state they plan to get there CCW license in.
Not all military personel qualify with a hand gun! Yes alot qualify with a rifle but that is a different weapon and in the military you never have to conceal it.
As far as law enforcement, yes I believe they should all be exempt. Being a prior police officer of 11 years. I know there is not a state in the United States that does not require training and expect at sometime in his or her career that an officer is going to want to, have to, or need to carry concealed for their and their families protection. Therefore I believe that most officers have the experience and training to carry without going through a class that they have not already gone through.
Once again I have been training police officer, military personel, and civilians for over 15 years on weapons instruction.
Joseph
Chief CCW Instructor
Tri State Self Defense
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Just like not all military should get a free pass, there are cops out there that don't even know what the speed limit is in the area they stop you in. And that the Chief may also be as uneducated. So bad that when the county traffic dept shows up with the documents in court, the judge says "not another one" about the city cop's bad tickets. These are people who sometimes know less than the citizens they are supposed to serve. There are good cops and there are bad cops but just being a cop doesn't make all of them good.
 

NavyLCDR

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But, disagree and believe that they should be required to at least go through a portion of a training class on how to conceal carry and legal portion of any state they plan to get there CCW license in."

Why? There are no problems in states that do not require any training in order to conceal carry.


Joseph
Chief CCW Instructor
Tri State Self Defense
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Never mind. Question answered.
 

S&W645

NRA Life Member
Careful NavyLCDR, the sheepdogs might get mad at you and start throwing their CCW Badges at you.
Clang!!!!!!! Then he could collect them and use them for target practice. It would be a better use for them. :biggrin:


Took dad to the range today. Now remember, this is a retired Navy Master Chief who had to stay qualified from 1946 till 1971 with a Colt 1911 in .45ACP. And he wasn't an MP. Out of a possible 75 in police scoring, he scored a 73. Not bad for an 83 year old using my blued Taurus PT 1911.
 

S&W645

NRA Life Member
Yeah, he complained about the sights last night. Then found out they were better than he thought. Next time he can take his Colt Special Combat Gov't Model .45 if he doesn't like mine. :wink: I scored 127 out of 130 with the two different PT 1911s.
 

iPanda

New member
Surely somewhere the military would have some record as to what you have been trained to fire. This information could be used for ccw.

If they have trained with a handgun in the military, I see no reason they should have to go through another course just to carry.
 

tuts40

New member
I have to disagree. There should be no "special" or "elite" classes of legal residents in regards to carrying firearms. That includes presently employed LEO, retired LEO, military members or veterans. One rule should apply to all and all should be required to abide by the same rules. "Shall not be infringed."

BTW, there are thousands of honorably discharged military personnel who have never handled a handgun, and only handled a rifle in boot camp/basic training.

Bingo. 10-ringer.
 

NavyLCDR

New member
I should have added politicians to the list. I wonder if politicians had to actually abide by the laws they make or suffer the consequences of their mistakes how many would change their decisions. Example: if the government shuts down because Congress can't get all their stuff in one sock, they are still going to get paid.
 

wjh2657

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Before I get ridden out of the forum on a rail as a "commie', let me explain my own standing. I am a retired 30 Year Marine Master Gunnery Sergeant. I served 6 years " in country" in Viet Nam in combat billets.

That said, the whole question of the right to carry a weapon is a Second Amendment issue. The Second Amendment pertains to all citizens and no provision of it in use should favor one citizen over another.
Period!
 

G50AE

Well-known member
I should have added politicians to the list. I wonder if politicians had to actually abide by the laws they make or suffer the consequences of their mistakes how many would change their decisions. Example: if the government shuts down because Congress can't get all their stuff in one sock, they are still going to get paid.

If the government shuts down most government employees are paid to stay at home and not work, that's two freebies instead of just the normal one. :laugh:
 

NavyLCDR

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If the government shuts down most government employees are paid to stay at home and not work, that's two freebies instead of just the normal one. :laugh:

Except those of us in uniform. We are expected to show up for work and not get paid.
 

grmerrill

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If the government shuts down most government employees are paid to stay at home and not work, that's two freebies instead of just the normal one. :laugh:[/QUOTE]

My understanding is that they aren't automatically paid, the times the government shutdown the pay was authorized by Congress after the fact. And please clarify that you are referring to civilians, the contractors don't get the same treatment our benefits.
 

G50AE

Well-known member
FWIW, I was repeating a joke made by someone who worked in Washington, DC durring the Klinton era government shutdown. That was his analysis of the situation.
 

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