~ANOTHER tourist busted for guns in New York~

[6shootercarry]

In Massachusetts training is mandatory to apply for a permit. It's one of the main reasons most of us have a job. One of the things we stress the most is the fact that your firearms permit is not anything like a driver's license. It becomes void in most cases once you cross the state line.....

Why is that, when people operating cars injure & kill more people per 24 period than guns do? H.R.822 would be a step in the Constitutional direction...

 

[6shootercarry]

It looks like poor Fred is in for a VERY expensive lesson. He should have known better.

Know before you go:
1. If you don’t have a NY Handgun Permit, do NOT go there with your handgun.
2. If you don’t have a NYC Handgun Permit, do NOT go there with your handgun.
3. If your aircraft is diverted to any NY destination and you must claim your checked baggage which contains a legally declared firearm and ammunition before you can continue to your original, ticketed destination, HAVE A PLAN.

Here’s 29 pages of “N.Y. Consolidated Laws”, read them for yourself. Some interesting excerpts below.

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I thought I KNEW what a “Loaded firearm” was, but . . .

‘Penal Law
Article 265. Firearms and Other Dangerous Weapons
265.00. Definitions
. .
15. "Loaded firearm" means any firearm loaded with ammunition or any firearm which is possessed by one who, at the same time, possesses a quantity of ammunition which may be used to discharge such firearm.

265.03. Criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree when:
(1) with intent to use the same unlawfully against another, such person:
(a) possesses a machine-gun; or
(b) possesses a loaded firearm; or
(c) possesses a disguised gun; or
(2) such person possesses five or more firearms.
Criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree is a class C felony.

265.02. Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree when:
. .
(4) Such person possesses any loaded firearm. Such possession shall not, except as provided in subdivision one or seven, constitute a violation of this section if such possession takes place in such person's home or place of business;
or
(5)(i) Such person possesses three or more firearms; or
. .
(8) Such person possesses a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree is a class D felony.

Take Care.
Gary

You could read them all and the outcome of the trial will be different depending on the judge presiding... I'm a gun owner, so I have to stand trial in NYC tried by a jury of my peers. How many of the jurors in NYC will be gun owners? Peers my arse... Avoid it... Why give them any revenue?

 

[gunshrink]

One of the things I teach and reteach in my carry class (MN) is travel to other state and how to find out the info for the law - I take them to handgunlaw.us and go through the way to check out any place they may go, print out the pages and carry them for each state all the time..... May not help 100% (nothing does) but might just save a few. The law there (and a few other places) really sucks but it it their law. As for their mayor, thing this type of stuff might just weaken his cause more than anytyhing. As someone here said, these are lawful people in an unlawful state. Maybe someone will wake up to that.

 

[Rich_S]

Why is that, when people operating cars injure & kill more people per 24 period than guns do? H.R.822 would be a step in the Constitutional direction...

I don't know why that is. You'd have to ask the legislators in the states who make laws stating they don't honor firearms permits from other states. If Obama loses HR 822 might have a chance.....

 

[BC1]

Why is that, when people operating cars injure & kill more people per 24 period than guns do? H.R.822 would be a step in the Constitutional direction...

H.R. 822 doesn't solve anything. It requires non-residents to comply with the law of whatever state they're in. States that don't want non-residents to carry only need to stop everyone from carrying. The anti-gun position will never let a fed law override their beliefs.

 

[anvil6]

H.R. 822 doesn't solve anything. It requires non-residents to comply with the law of whatever state they're in. States that don't want non-residents to carry only need to stop everyone from carrying. The anti-gun position will never let a fed law override their beliefs.

Perhaps the threat of THEIR OWN loss of carry would cause permit holders in jurisdictions likely to try ending civilian concealed weapon carry to energize politically and defend that hard-earned right?

One core belief that is held by too many Legislators at State level, nearly all the general popluation and, sad to say, a lot of concealed carry permit holders is that "only permit holders from (name your jurisdiction here) can be trusted to carry in (name your jurisdiction again)". This works against us at Local, State and Federal level. Until enough folks from all walks of life change that belief, Nationwide Reciprocity will remain an elusive pipe dream.

Significantly, TWELVE US States do accept ALL state's permits. SOMEBODY's doing it right. Is there hope for the rest of us?

Take Care.

Gary

 

[NavyLCDR]

Perhaps the threat of THEIR OWN loss of carry would cause permit holders in jurisdictions likely to try ending civilian concealed weapon carry to energize politically and defend that hard-earned right?

Take Care.

Gary

Respectfully, I think the first thing we need to do is to stop referring to the privilege of carrying a firearm that requires permission from the government to be purchased as a right. It is a compromise which has resulted in a privilege extended to an elite few who not only qualify for it, but also pay for it. Free Americans don't have to ask their government's permission to exercise a right, and free Americans certainly do not have to pay a tax in order to obtain that permission.

 

[fuhr52]

Bottom line, places like NYC don't want private citizens to own or carry guns for any reason. When they are caught, even if they have a permit or they notify security when they realize they are in a place that doesn't allow weapons, they must be made an example. They are instantly branded criminal. Yet gang bangers and thugs brandish weapons and not much is made of it other than maybe they are confiscated by police. It's all political agenda and who's making money on it.

 

[6shootercarry]

H.R. 822 doesn't solve anything. It requires non-residents to comply with the law of whatever state they're in. States that don't want non-residents to carry only need to stop everyone from carrying. The anti-gun position will never let a fed law override their beliefs.

Perhaps having a state attempt a "full on carry ban" in order to thwart this legislation, would be interesting to see.. Maybe the people would rise up and overthrow... There's hope...

So why is it that we can't possibly (according to the current administration and DOJ) have a patchwork of state level immigration laws in the US, but we can have a patchwork of gun laws? Hypocrisy.

So eager to dismiss the possibility of real change? Why has that become the rhetoric of so many gun owners?

Dead fish go with the flow...

 

[6shootercarry]

Respectfully, I think the first thing we need to do is to stop referring to the privilege of carrying a firearm that requires permission from the government to be purchased as a right. It is a compromise which has resulted in a privilege extended to an elite few who not only qualify for it, but also pay for it. Free Americans don't have to ask their government's permission to exercise a right, and free Americans certainly do not have to pay a tax in order to obtain that permission.

BOOM!!!! And it's in the X ring...

People have been conditioned to believe it's a "Dangerous Right". "Dangerous Rights" require permission so they have to ask permission... And take a test, and pay a fee... WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!

“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.” --Frank Zappa

 

[BluesStringer]

Respectfully, I think the first thing we need to do is to stop referring to the privilege of carrying a firearm that requires permission from the government to be purchased as a right. It is a compromise which has resulted in a privilege extended to an elite few who not only qualify for it, but also pay for it. Free Americans don't have to ask their government's permission to exercise a right, and free Americans certainly do not have to pay a tax in order to obtain that permission.

BOOM!!!! And it's in the X ring...

People have been conditioned to believe it's a "Dangerous Right". "Dangerous Rights" require permission so they have to ask permission... And take a test, and pay a fee... WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!

“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.” --Frank Zappa

I personally disagree with both you and NavyLCDR on 822 being a good solution to reciprocity issues, but I like the way both of you present your arguments, and just had to "Like" a post that quotes Zappa in the context of a pro-gun topic and have it make sense. :biggrin:

Blues

 

[BC1]

Perhaps having a state attempt a "full on carry ban" in order to thwart this legislation, would be interesting to see.. Maybe the people would rise up and overthrow... There's hope...

So why is it that we can't possibly (according to the current administration and DOJ) have a patchwork of state level immigration laws in the US, but we can have a patchwork of gun laws? Hypocrisy.

So eager to dismiss the possibility of real change? Why has that become the rhetoric of so many gun owners?

Dead fish go with the flow...

Well, I'm no dead fish. I don't go with the flow. I tell the truth about the state of affairs. And the truth is that recent federal court decisions, including Heller and McDonald, have ruled that denial of the right to carry is not a denial of the second amendment. The courts have cited a long history of this and no where can it be found that "bear arms" equals "carry." Don't flame me... this is American history. plain facts.

I respect everyone's statements about "the people" revolting against these laws but experience tells me it just won't happen. This ountry elected Obama. Think about that. They did it knowing his record on socialism, hatred of white America and an anti-gun position. They won't come out from behind their iPhone long enough to do anything. They don't even understand the mess they're actually in. They're living paycheck to paycheck and are buried in kids, bills, work demands and stress. The days of successful American activism are over. The average American is dead from the neck up.

In agreement with you I must say it's really quite sad, what we've evolved to.