~ANOTHER tourist busted for guns in New York~

[The_Outlaw]

Reminds me of why I will NEVER EVER go to New York!
Ohio tourist Fred Vankirk busted for gun possession at Radisson Hotel in Midtown - NYPOST.com

 

[NavyLCDR]

OK. I concede. There should be mandatory training to receive a concealed weapons permit. To wit: "Don't take your guns to New York. Don't try to take your guns in carry on luggage or on your person on an airplane. Make sure you declare your unloaded firearms in your checked baggage to the airline before you check your luggage."

 

[blazemyowntrails]

Im starting to wonder if these guys are martyrs for HR 822! Bringing it to everyone's attention: if this was law, none of this tragedy would have happened!

 

[NavyLCDR]

Im starting to wonder if these guys are martyrs for HR 822! Bringing it to everyone's attention: if this was law, none of this tragedy would have happened!

If they are, God bless them! They should definitely all join forces and fight together.

 

[Malakai Christoff]

I hate to say it but its no-ones fault but their own! Ignorance is Not an excuse. Its really sad tho...especially on vacation.

 

[MI .45]

NYC is nothing but a set trap for the ignorant (which is no excuse). A just system would be for the authorities to determine if the possessor of the gun is legal in his/her state; if so, assess a fine and be done with it. A legal carrier in one state is highly unlikely to become a criminal in another. To make any legal carrier a felon over this is a gross travesty of the justice system. A second offense - that would be another story.

 

[Rich_S]

OK. I concede. There should be mandatory training to receive a concealed weapons permit. To wit: "Don't take your guns to New York. Don't try to take your guns in carry on luggage or on your person on an airplane. Make sure you declare your unloaded firearms in your checked baggage to the airline before you check your luggage."

In Massachusetts training is mandatory to apply for a permit. It's one of the main reasons most of us have a job. One of the things we stress the most is the fact that your firearms permit is not anything like a driver's license. It becomes void in most cases once you cross the state line.....

 

[Rich_S]

I hate to say it but its no-ones fault but their own! Ignorance is Not an excuse. Its really sad tho...especially on vacation.

This............

 

[SGB]

One should avoid traveling to foreign countries.

 

[Deserteagle]

How many idiots is it going to take until people start researching laws and learning from the mistakes of other idiots.

 

[anvil6]

It looks like poor Fred is in for a VERY expensive lesson. He should have known better.

Know before you go:
1. If you don’t have a NY Handgun Permit, do NOT go there with your handgun.
2. If you don’t have a NYC Handgun Permit, do NOT go there with your handgun.
3. If your aircraft is diverted to any NY destination and you must claim your checked baggage which contains a legally declared firearm and ammunition before you can continue to your original, ticketed destination, HAVE A PLAN.

Here’s 29 pages of “N.Y. Consolidated Laws”, read them for yourself. Some interesting excerpts below.

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I thought I KNEW what a “Loaded firearm” was, but . . .

‘Penal Law
Article 265. Firearms and Other Dangerous Weapons
265.00. Definitions
. .
15. "Loaded firearm" means any firearm loaded with ammunition or any firearm which is possessed by one who, at the same time, possesses a quantity of ammunition which may be used to discharge such firearm.

265.03. Criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree when:
(1) with intent to use the same unlawfully against another, such person:
(a) possesses a machine-gun; or
(b) possesses a loaded firearm; or
(c) possesses a disguised gun; or
(2) such person possesses five or more firearms.
Criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree is a class C felony.

265.02. Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree when:
. .
(4) Such person possesses any loaded firearm. Such possession shall not, except as provided in subdivision one or seven, constitute a violation of this section if such possession takes place in such person's home or place of business;
or
(5)(i) Such person possesses three or more firearms; or
. .
(8) Such person possesses a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree is a class D felony.

Take Care.
Gary

 

[Tucker's Mom]

One should avoid traveling to foreign countries.

I nearly wrote add Illinois and Joicy to that in response to Navy's comment but your comment above covers all the bases perfectly. Nice comeback.

 

[Caribou]

Can anyone tell me what kind of sentence they are handing out in NYC for being convicted of rape, assault, or other violent crime not involving a gun?

 

[jg1967]

NYC is nothing but a set trap for the ignorant (which is no excuse). A just system would be for the authorities to determine if the possessor of the gun is legal in his/her state; if so, assess a fine and be done with it. A legal carrier in one state is highly unlikely to become a criminal in another. To make any legal carrier a felon over this is a gross travesty of the justice system. A second offense - that would be another story.

I agree, the fact that they treated the guy like an actual criminal is offensive in itself. People should beware of going to NYC but just because it may be legal what they do does not mean it's right.

 

[Rich_S]

Can anyone tell me what kind of sentence they are handing out in NYC for being convicted of rape, assault, or other violent crime not involving a gun?

You have it all wrong. Those perps are victims of society and we need to see how we failed them. Gun owners are violent savages who need to be locked up to protect society. This is the moonbat liberal mindset....

 

[blkcheech]

Im starting to wonder if these guys are martyrs for HR 822! Bringing it to everyone's attention: if this was law, none of this tragedy would have happened!

Not picking a fight, I just don't have the information hence, the question: why would HR 822 have made a difference? I thought HR822 just made it so that a CCW permit from another state would be honored in any state that also gives permits. I did not think that if a city had certain other laws you didn't have to follow them (ie having a handgun license in NYC). Again just trying to clarify my knowledge.

 

[jg1967]

Not picking a fight, I just don't have the information hence, the question: why would HR 822 have made a difference? I thought HR822 just made it so that a CCW permit from another state would be honored in any state that also gives permits. I did not think that if a city had certain other laws you didn't have to follow them (ie having a handgun license in NYC). Again just trying to clarify my knowledge.

Since NY does do permits, your permit would be valid there. But, you would still have to follow all OTHER laws in regards to guns or where you can or can not carry. So for example, you cold not buy a gun in NY using your permit to bypass the NCIS check or carry in any location that local (NY) law does not allow you to do so.

 

[pyth0n]

That's four in the last month? I'm beginnig to suspect bloomberg is behind this, as in staging these violations to boost support for his anti-gun agenda.

 

[agrippakc]

I hate to say it but its no-ones fault but their own! Ignorance is Not an excuse. Its really sad tho...especially on vacation.

Exactly. Im in kansas and I dont like going any further east than missouri and thats even pushing it. Stay away from ohio and onward... Let the savages "work it out" on their own. We can move in when they are done killing eachother.

 

[BC1]

It looks like poor Fred is in for a VERY expensive lesson. He should have known better.

Know before you go:
1. If you don’t have a NY Handgun Permit, do NOT go there with your handgun.
2. If you don’t have a NYC Handgun Permit, do NOT go there with your handgun.
3. If your aircraft is diverted to any NY destination and you must claim your checked baggage which contains a legally declared firearm and ammunition before you can continue to your original, ticketed destination, HAVE A PLAN.

Here’s 29 pages of “N.Y. Consolidated Laws”, read them for yourself. Some interesting excerpts below.

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I thought I KNEW what a “Loaded firearm” was, but . . .

‘Penal Law
Article 265. Firearms and Other Dangerous Weapons
265.00. Definitions
. .
15. "Loaded firearm" means any firearm loaded with ammunition or any firearm which is possessed by one who, at the same time, possesses a quantity of ammunition which may be used to discharge such firearm.

265.03. Criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree when:
(1) with intent to use the same unlawfully against another, such person:
(a) possesses a machine-gun; or
(b) possesses a loaded firearm; or
(c) possesses a disguised gun; or
(2) such person possesses five or more firearms.
Criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree is a class C felony.

265.02. Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree when:
. .
(4) Such person possesses any loaded firearm. Such possession shall not, except as provided in subdivision one or seven, constitute a violation of this section if such possession takes place in such person's home or place of business;
or
(5)(i) Such person possesses three or more firearms; or
. .
(8) Such person possesses a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree is a class D felony.

Take Care.
Gary

You're quoting NYS law. Look at NYC criminal codes. It's much worse than state law. I still can't get my head around people who claim ignorance of the law.