Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?

[corneileous]

Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?

Your point?

No point, just asking.

Do you think just because I haven't posted in a while that I shouldn't?

Now, where did I say, within the last hour that you were stricken from posting? Might I remind you, being stricken from something and being suggested to give it a rest, is two different things.

Again, I was just simply asking.

Actually I think it is hilarious that you respond with ridicule just because you think I should not take the opportunity to present my message concerning property rights by commenting on a conversation between you and Rhino when I have made it clear that only the private property owner of this website/forum has the power to grant or deny permission for me to post or not post and that YOU have no power what so ever to decree what topics and who's posts I will respond to.

And there he goes again. Repeating.

I actually think it's quite hilarious myself that you keep it up.

And I think it is quite telling that I continue to draw this conversation right back to private property rights (as I did in the sentence above) yet your fascination is on trying to, as you so quaintly call it, ... suggest... that I stop posting about property rights and those who disrespect them because you have decreed it isn't my responsibility.

Yes, because you are stubborn and you actually believe everybody here wants to listen to your on and on ranting and rambling about gun free zone rights.

 

[Bikenut]

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Originally posted by Bikenut:
......guilty ... then that says a lot more about you than it does me. And everyone here knows that too.

Nope, your wrong. On both parts.

Again, I don't feel guilty and.....

Two, no one thinks I do because I've never said I was.

Ahhh but then, as I have said so many times, your own posts tell the tale because there is your own post quoted below where you lump yourself into the category of those who feel as if I am trying to guilt, and you used the word,.... "us"........

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Just like how YOU have no right coming in here trying to guilt us into not carrying in these places!! YOU'VE MADE YOUR POINT!! GIVE IT A REST ALREADY!!
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Bold added by me for emphasis....

By the way, neither of us has any right to come into this forum. All everyone here has is the website/forum owner's permission to use his private property to discuss issues on his private property forum.

 

[Bikenut]

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Originally posted by Bikenut:
And I think it is quite telling that I continue to draw this conversation right back to private property rights (as I did in the sentence above) yet your fascination is on trying to, as you so quaintly call it, ... suggest... that I stop posting about property rights and those who disrespect them because you have decreed it isn't my responsibility.

Yes, because you are stubborn and you actually believe everybody here wants to listen to your on and on ranting and rambling about gun free zone rights.

So not only do you think you can decide what should and should not be my responsibility when it comes to defending the rights of others and you think you can decree who's posts I can and cannot respond to but you apparently consider yourself to be a spokesperson for everybody here?

The arrogance is astonishing!

 

[corneileous]

Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?

Ahhh but then, as I have said so many times, your own posts tell the tale because there is your own post quoted below where you lump yourself into the category of those who feel as if I am trying to guilt, and you used the word,.... "us"........

Exactly because you keep trying to convince.... "us all"... by repeating your worthless diatribe.

Funny thing is though, I'm the only one who keeps giving your posts the time of day with my responses so that you have something to post to and whine about.

Bold added by me for emphasis....

By the way, neither of us has any right to come into this forum. All everyone here has is the website/forum owner's permission to use his private property to discuss issues on his private property forum.

Again, what is your point?

 

[corneileous]

Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?

So not only do you think you can decide what should and should not be my responsibility when it comes to defending the rights of others and you think you can decree who's posts I can and cannot respond to but you apparently consider yourself to be a spokesperson for everybody here?

Where are you keep getting this from? Why do you consistently keep thinking I think I can tell you what to post and what not to post? Are you really that ignorant? Off your rocker?

And no (I can't believe I'm having to explain this to you), I am not considering myself as a spokesman for everybody or for anybody for matter. I just say......."us"....... because there ain't a whole lot of people supporting your rant. And there probably ain't a whole lot supporting mine. But you know what?? I really don't care if they do. That's the difference between you and me. You absolutely hate it when somebody disagrees with you over this whole store owner rights crap but, I could care less if anybody agrees with me.

The arrogance is astonishing!

Yes it is, the arrogance in your attempt at twisting my words and posts around to pull the wool over everybody's eyes to support your opinion of specific business owner rights is indeed mind-blowing.

 

[Bikenut]

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Yes it is, the arrogance in your attempt at twisting my words and posts around to pull the wool over everybody's eyes to support your opinion of specific business owner rights is indeed mind-blowing.

I don't have to twist your words. All I need do is quote them just as I have been all along.

 

[corneileous]

Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?

I don't have to twist your words. All I need do is quote them just as I have been all along.

Ahhh, but you are.

See, you keep assuming I keep thinking I have the right to tell you what to and what not to post when all I am doing is just simply suggesting you shouldn't.


You keep putting words in my mouth by saying I am speaking for everyone when I am not. Never even once declared I was the official spokesman in this thread for the defensive carriers.

So yes, the word/post twisting continues. Now you're trying to deny it.

 

[corneileous]

I don't have to twist your words. All I need do is quote them just as I have been all along.

Oh and this right here is pure arrogance.

 

[Reba]

I'm curious--how does making repeated comments on a special interest forum defend anyone's rights? If a poster has clearly stated his or her viewpoint on an issue and responded to any requests for clarification, then what's the benefit of making endless repetitions? Without follow-up action, how does that defend anyone's rights?

I'm also curious to know how many members have changed their minds about this issue since these 123 pages of posts have been made? Has anyone been swayed by the back-and-forth?

One thing I'm sure about; no one is impressed with the two-way personal insults and attempts at one-upmanship.

 

[corneileous]

Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?

I'm curious--how does making repeated comments on a special interest forum defend anyone's rights?

Good question.
As you can see, closer to the bottom of his post, it seems real clear to me that all he wants to do is just senselessly and needlessly argue over something stupid. And no Bee, I ain't talking about peoples rights as being stupid. I am 100% referring to this little sub conversation you started what, two months ago? Month and a half ago?

And to top it all off, he started spewing his nonsense, yet again in this new thread about carrying in gun-free business.

If a poster has clearly stated his or her viewpoint on an issue and responded to any requests for clarification, then what's the benefit of making endless repetitions? Without follow-up action, how does that defend anyone's rights?

Another good question.

I'm also curious to know how many members have changed their minds about this issue since these 123 pages of posts have been made? Has anyone been swayed by the back-and-forth?

I haven't seen any.

One thing I'm sure about; no one is impressed with the two-way personal insults and attempts at one-upmanship.

I'm glad someone else posted this.

And yes, I realize I'm not any better by stooping to his level by continuing to respond to the nonsense but, I certainly am not putting on a show or trying to rally everybody here about store owners rights to perpetrate gun free zones.

 

[HKS]

I'm curious--how does making repeated comments on a special interest forum defend anyone's rights? If a poster has clearly stated his or her viewpoint on an issue and responded to any requests for clarification, then what's the benefit of making endless repetitions? Without follow-up action, how does that defend anyone's rights?

I'm also curious to know how many members have changed their minds about this issue since these 123 pages of posts have been made? Has anyone been swayed by the back-and-forth?

One thing I'm sure about; no one is impressed with the two-way personal insults and attempts at one-upmanship.

The one thing I did learn from this thread is that some franchise outlets do NOT agree with their corporate headquarters, and therefore they will post the no-guns sign someplace where you cannot see it. The Cheesecake Factory outlet referred to must be like that. They really want your business and they don't care about your guns either way. I never thought of that.

But this just goes to reinforce my original position about ignoring these signs anyway.

 

[Bikenut]

I'm curious--how does making repeated comments on a special interest forum defend anyone's rights? If a poster has clearly stated his or her viewpoint on an issue and responded to any requests for clarification, then what's the benefit of making endless repetitions? Without follow-up action, how does that defend anyone's rights?

I'm also curious to know how many members have changed their minds about this issue since these 123 pages of posts have been made? Has anyone been swayed by the back-and-forth?

One thing I'm sure about; no one is impressed with the two-way personal insults and attempts at one-upmanship.

Reba. Rest assured I have put plenty of my money and lots of my time supporting the rights of other folks in the real world. Rights that don't much affect me personally and rights I don't gain any direct personal benefit from. Perhaps that is why I consider it important to also do the same online.

In fact, in the area of property rights, just staying true to my own principles costs me money and time by my refusal to support those stores that have no guns policies/rules.

 

[Bikenut]

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And yes, I realize I'm not any better by stooping to his level by continuing to respond to the nonsense but, I certainly am not putting on a show or trying to rally everybody here about store owners rights to perpetrate gun free zones.

I am not putting on a show. I am standing up for the property rights of others because there are folks like you who have the attitude that only the rights you personally think are important deserve to be respected.

And while you indulge in insult and ridicule I manage to show that even this conversation relates to private property rights since it is only being allowed to continue because the private property owner of this website is being gracious enough to give both of us permission to enter and use his forum.

As for stooping to my level? From the opinion I have formed from what I have seen of your posts you could do much worse than trying to step up to a level where you have the integrity to put aside your own personal benefits in favor of supporting something (like rights you don't agree with) just because it is the right thing to do.

 

[corneileous]

I am not putting on a show. I am standing up for the property rights of others because there are folks like you who have the attitude that only the rights you personally think are important deserve to be respected.

Good for you. Again.

And while you indulge in insult and ridicule I manage to show that even this conversation relates to private property rights since it is only being allowed to continue because the private property owner of this website is being gracious enough to give both of us permission to enter and use his forum.

That a fact? You personally talked with the owner of the forum and was told specifically that the only reason this thread was being allowed to continue was because of your off-topic tangent about property rights? Hmm. Okie dokie then. Whatever you say, bud.

As for stooping to my level? From the opinion I have formed from what I have seen of your posts you could do much worse than trying to step up to a level where you have the integrity to put aside your own personal benefits in favor of supporting something (like rights you don't agree with) just because it is the right thing to do.

First off, you remember that furry little rat butt I mentioned earlier? Well, it just so turns out that I happen to also not give one of those less as well what your opinion is. Primarily because now it seems you've once again attempted to dictate how I think and control what I do.

 

[HKS]

Good for you. Again.



That a fact? You personally talked with the owner of the forum and was told specifically that the only reason this thread was being allowed to continue was because of your off-topic tangent about property rights? Hmm. Okie dokie then. Whatever you say, bud.



First off, you remember that furry little rat butt I mentioned earlier? Well, it just so turns out that I happen to also not give one of those less as well what your opinion is. Primarily because now it seems you've once again attempted to dictate how I think and control what I do.

The owner -- is that Luke?

 

[corneileous]

The owner -- is that Luke?

I have no idea but I bet Bikenut knows.

 

[Reba]

The one thing I did learn from this thread is that some franchise outlets do NOT agree with their corporate headquarters, and therefore they will post the no-guns sign someplace where you cannot see it. The Cheesecake Factory outlet referred to must be like that. They really want your business and they don't care about your guns either way. I never thought of that.

But this just goes to reinforce my original position about ignoring these signs anyway.

Can't hide the signs in SC:

SECTION 23-31-235. Sign requirements.

(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.

(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:

(1) clearly visible from outside the building;



The sign specifications are very specific:

Code of Laws - Title 23 - Chapter 31 - Firearms

 

[Reba]

The owner -- is that Luke?

Click on the "About" at the top of this site's page.

 

[HKS]

Click on the "About" at the top of this site's page.

Cool, thanks!

 

[Bikenut]

Originally posted by Bikenut:And while you indulge in insult and ridicule I manage to show that even this conversation relates to private property rights since it is only being allowed to continue because the private property owner of this website is being gracious enough to give both of us permission to enter and use his forum.

That a fact? You personally talked with the owner of the forum and was told specifically that the only reason this thread was being allowed to continue was because of your off-topic tangent about property rights? Hmm. Okie dokie then. Whatever you say, bud.

Mr. McCoy communicated what was, and what wasn't, permissible to those who took the time to read his USACarry.com Terms & Conditions Link Removed. That is the online ... sign... on the internet door (similar to a "no guns" sign on a real world business door) to this website listing Mr. McCoy's private property policies/rules that must be agreed to in order to have his permission to use the website/forum. And as the owner Mr. McCoy can use his private property right to shut down this discussion at any time if he were to so chose. Since that hasn't happened Mr. McCoy is graciously allowing this tangential discussion to continue whether that be intentionally or tacitly.

Originally posted by Bikenut:
As for stooping to my level? From the opinion I have formed from what I have seen of your posts you could do much worse than trying to step up to a level where you have the integrity to put aside your own personal benefits in favor of supporting something (like rights you don't agree with) just because it is the right thing to do.

First off, you remember that furry little rat butt I mentioned earlier? Well, it just so turns out that I happen to also not give one of those less as well what your opinion is. Primarily because now it seems you've once again attempted to dictate how I think and control what I do.

I am not dictating how anyone should think or what anyone should do. I have said before that I am well aware that people will do what they want to do regardless. But I do think it is an interesting insight that you, by your own words above, consider an internet forum discussion an attempt to dictate how you think and to control what you do.

What I have done is point out that it is hypocritical for folks who expect their right to bear arms be respected to sneak their gun past a private property businesses "no guns" sign/policy because they are disrespecting the property owner's right to control who is, and who ISN'T, allowed on/in his property. And I have said that in some states doing so can carry the risk of legal penalties including the legal penalties of trespass charges. I have also said those legal penalties could affect a person's carry permit.

And I am actually grateful to corneileous for continually offering the opportunity to keep those points in the forefront of this thread so those who just stop by for the first time might see them.