Regarding Freddie Gray and the Baltimore Police cover up

[Deanimator]

Also, may it be noticed that 3 of the 6 police are black.

And Freddie Gray is still dead.

This isn't about cops who are White.

It's about cops who are sociopaths with no effective supervision.

 

[SR9]

These are the specific charges against the 6 individual police officers in Baltimore arrested for their involvement :

Freddie Gray Death: These Are the Charges 6 Baltimore Officers Face - NBC News

 

[vernsimpson]

And Freddie Gray is still dead.

This isn't about cops who are White.

It's about cops who are sociopaths with no effective supervision.

Wait til Sharpton, obummer and Lynch are in charge of the "National" Police Force, then we will all be so safe that we will be able to turn our guns over to them!

 

[Deanimator]

Wait til Sharpton, obummer and Lynch are in charge of the "National" Police Force, then we will all be so safe that we will be able to turn our guns over to them!

Yeah, we'll be as "safe" as my clueless relatives in Apartheid Chicago.

On the up side, I don't expect the Reichs Volks Polizei to be any more effective than the Baltimore PD.

 

[BluesStringer]

HEY BLUES,
Check todays news. Not only has Mosby passed on a grand jury

HEY SR9,
Mosby hasn't passed on anything. She's putting forth strategic maneuvers that every prosecutor across this country puts forth on a regular basis. The overwhelming odds are that she will refer charges to the grand jury and recommend indictment at the 11th hour to avoid having to reveal any of her case to the defense before discovery process runs its natural course. Read it and weep for the application of due process:

The Baltimore Six ? Three Black, Three White, Officers ? Detail Charges and Bail Information?. | The Last Refuge

35-year-old political activist and State Attorney, Marilyn Mosby, chose to file charges via direct Criminal Information Probable Cause Affidavit (PCA) as opposed to seeking an indictment via Grand Jury.

However, under Maryland criminal procedure all defendants are ENTITLED to a preliminary hearing within 30 days. At the preliminary hearing a judge will determine whether there is validity to the defendants and the charged felonies.

Even though she originally chose to file charges via Criminal Information, she will still likely try to seek an indictment via a Grand Jury between now and the 30 day window for the preliminary hearing.

Strategically, the indictment, if any, will likely be issued on the eve of the preliminary hearing as a way of preventing the defense from obtaining “free discovery” and notice of the prosecutors trial theory.

More pro-cop analysis at link. Like SR9 and (probably) most others around here, the Last Refuge blog is always pro-cop. Unlike SR9 however, they actually try to suss out the real processes that will more likely than not play themselves out in this case. At least an attempt to gain an indictment through a grand jury is a near certainty, but y'all go ahead and believe the "news" that the grand jury has already been bypassed. That would be the same "news" sources that you say are wholly unreliable in all things except for this one case. Pffft.

Well, Blues. You can think whatever you want. I won't continue to be called a liar by you. What SR9 just posted backs me up. This conversation is over. Good day and enjoy your freedom to speak whatever you want. Thank a veteran for it. I'm done.

Yeah, I'll be "thanking" myself then, because I am a veteran. More utter nonsense. Everybody has the freedom to tell the truth, and that's all I've done. I gave you every opportunity to retract what probably started out as an honest mistake, but has now turned into some weird inability to admit you're just plain wrong about what Marilyn Mosby said at her presser. You might've heard the Mayor say something like what you remember hearing. You might've heard a female commentator on the radio just after the presser say something like what you remember hearing. But it's for damn sure you didn't hear Mosby say it during the presser or Q&A session afterwards, because, as I've proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, she didn't say that during her presser.

What is the big freakin' deal about just saying, "Oops, I made a mistake?" Because at best, that's what you did.

Blues

 

[wallyb]

I am thinking the report that Freddie had a switchblade knife is the one small lie that may convince at least a few jury members that a defendant cannot be believed and that this whole deal was a false arrest ending in the death of an innocent human being.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I am thinking the report that Freddie had a switchblade knife is the one small lie that may convince at least a few jury members that a defendant cannot be believed and that this whole deal was a false arrest ending in the death of an innocent human being.

A false charge is never a small lie...the greatest threat to freedom is a government that can imprison at will.

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[SR9]

Heard a "family member" say yesterday that Freddie use to get arrested and put on a show, arguing and struggling with the cops and then when they got him in the van or station, he was informing them of others in the drug trade there. He was a CI.

 

[BluesStringer]

Blues.....

However.... the video shows Freddie Gray standing under his own power at 2.23...

About that, comes this:

If Gray's neck was already injured when he was placed in the van, it may not have taken a rough ride to render him unable to speak or breathe, as he was when officers retrieved him from the vehicle, said Dr. Ali Bydon, an associate professor of neurosurgery at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. And video of Gray standing at the back of the van before being placed inside is not necessarily proof that his spine was uninjured before the ride, he said.

"It can be a progressive, cumulative loss of function if the spinal cord is unstable and unprotected," Bydon said. "You don't need tremendous force to follow up on further injury to the spine — a force you and me can take because we have stable necks, but that an unstable neck cannot withstand."

Gray's standing on the same left foot/leg that he still had limited use of from the time he was first picked up after being cuffed, is not exculpatory evidence on the cops' behalf if all the other evidence points to probable cause that a crime was committed during his arrest/transport. There is zero (rational) doubt that he suffered whatever injuries he had at the hands of cops either at the location of his surrender, during the ~45 minute transport, or some combination thereof, and all over a switchblade which never existed.

Unless Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine hires neurosurgery associate professors who don't know what they're talking about, it will be a cake-walk to find highly-qualified experts to testify to the same assertions in court as the one above did in an interview with the Baltimore Sun.

Blues

 

[Bikenut]

Blues... I didn't say that Freddie Gray shown standing was proof his spine wasn't injured. I was pointing out that him being dragged to the cop van wasn't proof he was injured either. As far as I could tell (my opinion worth exactly what you paid for it) is that the video as proof of injury or non injury is inconclusive at best.

Now... even if umteen seventylebbenty experts testify that Freddie could have been injured before being put in the van is just another theory that does not prove that he was injured before being put in the van any more than my noting Freddie was standing on his own before being put in the van is proof he wasn't injured.

I just refuse to jump to any conclusions either way. I'm well aware there have been cops who have injured and even caused the death of arrestees and there have been arrestees who have intentionally injured themselves too and I'm not cutting either any slack. Which is which in this case (or was Freddie injured in a scuffle with someone before being arrested and the injury was exasperated during the arrest/ride? Yet another theory I just came up with to add to the confusion) is what I am waiting to find out without acting like the rioters eager to have someone... anyone... hung to satisfy their blood lust.

 

[mappow]

Race/Cop baiting at it's finest. Some of you people really amaze me. I was gong to give a full dissertation but figured why bother. Time spent educating fools.

 

[DavidWhite]

Wow! Where'd that come from?

 

[BluesStringer]

I just refuse to jump to any conclusions either way. I'm well aware there have been cops who have injured and even caused the death of arrestees and there have been arrestees who have intentionally injured themselves too and I'm not cutting either any slack.

You don't have to jump to conclusions that Gray was injured at the hands of police. He sure as heck wasn't injured in a scuffle with someone before running from the cops, voluntarily surrendering "without incident" according to the arresting officer's charging documents (as if), and his arrest, all with the severity of spinal injury(ies) that he eventually died from. You don't have to jump to conclusions that he was arrested under false pretenses for a switchblade that didn't exist. You don't have to jump to conclusions that he was asking for medical attention before ever being picked up after being cuffed, and that all six cops had the opportunity to get him that needed attention during the ~45 minute joy-ride that at least two of them took when the arrest happened just five blocks from the cop-shop. The only other prisoner who shared that van with Gray was picked up at Stop #4, the last stop before finally going to the cop-shop where medics were finally summoned. You don't have to jump to conclusions to surmise the near-impossible theory that Goodson knew of that second prisoner transport when he set off on his joy-ride, taking a ridiculously circuitous route that went neither towards the cop-shop or Stop #4 until after Stop #3 had been completed, and the cops involved up to that point failed for the fourth time to either secure him with a seat belt, or order medics to the scene.

The only thing you appear to not be jumping to conclusions about Bikenut, is that there are not indeed a large set of facts on the public record already that nobody has to jump to conclusions about!

Which is which in this case (or was Freddie injured in a scuffle with someone before being arrested and the injury was exasperated during the arrest/ride? Yet another theory I just came up with to add to the confusion) is what I am waiting to find out without acting like the rioters eager to have someone... anyone... hung to satisfy their blood lust.

Sure thing, Bikenut - evaluating the public record, researching the law and court rulings on what legally constitutes a switchblade in the State of Maryland, and using only enough of the sense God gave a gnat to put just that much of the case together, is an expression of blood lust and acting with violence like rioters. Gee, jump to truly vapid conclusions much?

Blues

 

[SR9]

Don't forget, there are people going around who are paid to cause trouble at these rallies. I heard one news coverage say they saw the same people starting trouble at Baltimore, Ferguson, and at Wall Street a few years ago. And guess who footing the bill for their transportation, lodging and meals....
Our old "friend" George Soros.

 

[BluesStringer]

Don't forget, there are people going around who are paid to cause trouble at these rallies. I heard one news coverage say they saw the same people starting trouble at Baltimore, Ferguson, and at Wall Street a few years ago. And guess who footing the bill for their transportation, lodging and meals....
Our old "friend" George Soros.

And Bikenut, that is what you call "adding to the confusion" regarding Freddie Gray, as the above post has absolutely nothing to do with Freddie Gray's death, the subsequent investigation, or any trial or evidence that might come in during trial of the six cops being charged.

 

[BluesStringer]

Wow! Where'd that come from?

Badgefluffers gonna fluff, just like haters gonna hate. The addition of "race-baiter" to the badgefluffing is just a flat-out lie, and mappow knows it. Sometimes his exuberance at his badgefluffing duties gets the better of him.

Blues

 

[mappow]

Badgefluffers gonna fluff, just like haters gonna hate. The addition of "race-baiter" to the badgefluffing is just a flat-out lie, and mappow knows it. Sometimes his exuberance at his badgefluffing duties gets the better of him.

Blues

What can I say. I not ashamed to support LEO's. I do believe that if a Pareto Analysis was done it would less than 80/20. More like 90/<10

 

[BluesStringer]

What can I say. I not ashamed to support LEO's.

Yeah, well, in the case of the Baltimore Six, you're not ashamed to support accused murderers, manslaughterers, false reporters, liars and sadists who there is no doubt at all refused medical care to a prisoner who needed it so badly that he died as a result of their inaction.

I do believe that if a Pareto Analysis was done it would less than 80/20. More like 90/<10

Whatever. What does the above post have to do with you accusing me of race-baiting? Apparently, you're not ashamed of lying either.

Blues

 

[VT Patriot]

So here we are, nobody yet knows, but different opinions from both sides of the discussion and the middle are causing much heat. So we have accomplished what? A whole lot of rhetoric that has solved nothing, but managed to get both sides PO'd at the other.
Any new FACTS coming out, or just new beliefs that some are trying to turn into facts?
The "I heard from a friend of mine whose cousin lives with a guy that used to travel thru Baltimore" sort of arguments doesn't cut it. Personal beliefs of what happened don't cut it. If anyone was there, saw the whole thing, rode in the van, please tell us all what happened. If not this just becomes a 'he said - she said' with the same result. Nothing.

 

[mappow]

Whatever. What does the above post have to do with you accusing me of race-baiting? Apparently, you're not ashamed of lying either.

Blues

Don't believe I mentioned any names. Not sure why the hostility. As for the Pareto, I think that less than 1% of LEOs country wide effect the rest. (JMHO) I'm never ashamed of my actions. As for others, that's their burden NOT mine.