open carry

[MHas]

The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution does not establish the right to keep and bear arms. None of the provisions of the Constitution establish any "natural" rights. They "recognize" such rights, but the repeal of such provisions would not end such rights.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Mommy Has.

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[NavyLCDR]

Walking around with a loaded gun in public is not about the 2nd Amendment. It is about a person's right to self defense - if that is the reason they are carrying the loaded gun in public. The right to self defense has existed since cavemen carried sharp pointed sticks. A person should not have to obtain any government's permission to exercise their right to self defense. When a person's behavior clearly indicates an intent to immediately commit a crime, they should be stopped by those exercising their right to self protection - including police officers. This is fully in line with the Supreme Court ruling that police have no duty to protect an individual from a criminal act.

 

[CharlesMorrison]

I was wondering if you guys want the 2nd amendment right to bear and keep arms, what about the part whe it says armed citizenry should be "well regulated." I guess it's my 2nd amendment to have regulations enforced on those that choose to bear and keep arms. Taking away such regulations infringes on my 2nd amendment rights.

.....and THIS is where you lost any and ALL credibility....


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You're dismissed mam.....

 

[r1derbike]

Any cop probing me on contact without a warrant will be shot before he gets to the first knuckle!

Actually, I am handicapped. Over the last two or three years I have developed what my physical therapist has referred to as "the worst case of plantar fasciitis" she's ever seen.

Blues

Oh hell! That first remark brings-back memories of a thread! My wife also suffers from plantar fasciitis. She can barely walk at times, and is in constant pain because of her weight and on her feet hours on end. I've gained a few pounds too, so I'm not knocking her weight, but just asked her nicely, as her doctor did to lose a few pounds with me, but she is in so much pain walking has become stressful for her, even with numerous pairs of shoes she has tried.

Her bunions are killing her too. Blues, if your feet are worse than hers, I feel for ya', man. That has to be hell.

 

[r1derbike]

You guys don't stand for what our forefathers had accomplished. You're all anarchist.

Really? Since the overwhelming majority here have concealed carry licenses, if their states require it, it would seem that an entire nation's vision is in error? How could they have made such an egregious lapse of judgement, arming anarchists?

 

[MHas]

Really? Since the overwhelming majority here have concealed carry licenses, if their states require it, it would seem that an entire nation's vision is in error? How could they have made such an egregious lapse of judgement, arming anarchists?

I think it's weird you guys need a special permit to carry concealed. In MA. law it just say carry. There is no distinction between concealed and open carry. Let me ask you all this. Have any of you been convicted of any crime wether juvenile or adult court?

 

[BluesStringer]

Oh hell! That first remark brings-back memories of a thread!

I actually thought that was one of the funniest lines I've ever posted here, but I didn't get a single laugh posted from it. I was really just ribbing the guy for what I knew was a typo. Just proves what humorless hacks gun-grabbing liberals are I guess. LOL

My wife also suffers from plantar fasciitis. She can barely walk at times, and is in constant pain because of her weight and on her feet hours on end. I've gained a few pounds too, so I'm not knocking her weight, but just asked her nicely, as her doctor did to lose a few pounds with me, but she is in so much pain walking has become stressful for her, even with numerous pairs of shoes she has tried.

Her bunions are killing her too. Blues, if your feet are worse than hers, I feel for ya', man. That has to be hell.

I've noticed you say a time or two that you were Class of '73, so by my calculations you, like I, either already turned 60, or are about to. I also recall some of your health issues being mentioned which are similar to some of mine as well, so I know you'll understand when I say that gettin' old ain't for sissies. In fact, for both of us (as I recall), it hurts like Hell.

I ain't complainin' though. The gun-grabber asked, and I answered. The only thing I had to give up that I dearly loved (so far) was rompin' around in the woods. I can still shoot when I want, but not really where I want. My best friend has several acres with a creek running through it that forms a natural ravine with uneven ground and a hill going to and from both sides. The creek is small. Just a light jumping kind of step to get across it. He set up target stands, rotating metal plates and knock-down silhouette targets on the hill going up the other side, and a bench-rest, a couple of tables, rifle racks and chairs just down from his back deck on the house side of the creek. I can still shoot there, but walking back and forth across the creek to tend to my own targets is nearly impossible anymore, and I never was one to have people doin' my sh!t for me, so I pretty much only shoot at the outdoor range not far from here nowadays.

You might've seen me mention a couple or three days ago that our home is on the market. After it sells, we'll be lookin' to buy our own little hermitage down around Enterprise, Andalusia or Dothan, AL. Lots of inexpensive acreage down there, my wife wants to be closer to the ocean and her brother in FL, and I like the idea of being able to walk out my back door and cut down some firewood with my AR and Slide Fire Stock! LOL I got pretty good at mentally overcoming pain during the 15 years leading up to my back surgery. My feet bug me, but I don't give into it without a long, drawn out fight. That fight will last a little longer if I have 10 or 12 acres of my own that needs patrollin'! LOL

Blues

 

[r1derbike]

Lets round up some children with autism and Down syndrome, arm them with Glocks and set them loose in a heavily populated area. I guess all us blue-bellied Yankee scum should expect such idiotic thoughts to come from a culture and heritage who also thought owning slaves was also their "god given right".

Methinks someone is ready for a nap, then go shovel some snow. Post while you're angry, and you'll make the best post you'll ever regret.

 

[MHas]

-- There have been major advances in gun technology. Guns are no longer single-shot, muzzle-loading weapons firing low-velocity lead balls. At the time, modern weapons were not even dreamed of: rapid, even automatic, fire weapons with high-velocity, high-lethality bullets. In addition, the mass manufacture of inexpensive guns was still off in the future.

Society is also much more complex, with dense concentrations of people in sprawling mega-cities.

Although the Constitution was well-drafted, it is neither infallible nor sacrosanct. This is, after all, a Constitution that legalized slavery and did not allow women voting. The bottom line is clear: the Second Amendment was a political response to the security situation two centuries ago. Even if it were well worded, even if we knew exactly what the drafters had in mind, it could not provide meaningful guidance for our modern society. It is probably the single most outdated part of the entire Constitution. Instead of quibbling over the exact meaning, scope, or intent of the Second Amendment, what is needed is new guidance on what constitutes a reasonable role for guns in modern society. This will be my last post here. Feel "free" to celibrate. You'll never convince me or any other person with common sense that a convicted criminal or person with extreme mental illness should be "allowed" to legally carry a loaded firearm in public. Now if those same people need to keep and bear arms they can do it at home for their protection of self, family and property. Other then that those 2 groups of individuals are not stable or enough to bear the responsibilities or carrying a loaded firearm in public.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I think it's weird you guys need a special permit to carry concealed. In MA. law it just say carry. There is no distinction between concealed and open carry. Let me ask you all this. Have any of you been convicted of any crime wether juvenile or adult court?

I don't need a permit at all. And no.

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[maybejim]

Governments are as dangerous to the people as ever. That is one of the purposes of the citizen's being armed--to keep the governments from getting out of control. It was true in 1776 and it is true today. It is more dangerous to live in the inner cities today than it was to live in the Wild West. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. The only one with responsibility to protect you and your family is you and your family.

 

[BluesStringer]

This will be my last post here.

 

[r1derbike]

I actually thought that was one of the funniest lines I've ever posted here, but I didn't get a single laugh posted from it. I was really just ribbing the guy for what I knew was a typo. Just proves what humorless hacks gun-grabbing liberals are I guess. LOL



I've noticed you say a time or two that you were Class of '73, so by my calculations you, like I, either already turned 60, or are about to. I also recall some of your health issues being mentioned which are similar to some of mine as well, so I know you'll understand when I say that gettin' old ain't for sissies. In fact, for both of us (as I recall), it hurts like Hell.

I ain't complainin' though. The gun-grabber asked, and I answered. The only thing I had to give up that I dearly loved (so far) was rompin' around in the woods. I can still shoot when I want, but not really where I want. My best friend has several acres with a creek running through it that forms a natural ravine with uneven ground and a hill going to and from both sides. The creek is small. Just a light jumping kind of step to get across it. He set up target stands, rotating metal plates and knock-down silhouette targets on the hill going up the other side, and a bench-rest, a couple of tables, rifle racks and chairs just down from his back deck on the house side of the creek. I can still shoot there, but walking back and forth across the creek to tend to my own targets is nearly impossible anymore, and I never was one to have people doin' my sh!t for me, so I pretty much only shoot at the outdoor range not far from here nowadays.

You might've seen me mention a couple or three days ago that our home is on the market. After it sells, we'll be lookin' to buy our own little hermitage down around Enterprise, Andalusia or Dothan, AL. Lots of inexpensive acreage down there, my wife wants to be closer to the ocean and her brother in FL, and I like the idea of being able to walk out my back door and cut down some firewood with my AR and Slide Fire Stock! LOL I got pretty good at mentally overcoming pain during the 15 years leading up to my back surgery. My feet bug me, but I don't give into it without a long, drawn out fight. That fight will last a little longer if I have 10 or 12 acres of my own that needs patrollin'! LOL

Blues

I'll turn sixty in July, Blues. Had a brain tumor that, after radiation treatment (inoperable), left me with severely impaired hearing, left eye trouble, and balance issues. That killed flying and motorcycling several years later after this happened...

... I was caught in a flue fire aftermath when all the creosote decided it was going to separate from the walls of the chimney at once, and blew into the box and out into the living room. Finally got the fire out, but the smoke inhalation from the creosote, and 2 days of cleaning-up the mess without completely evacuating the toxic air, caused whole body paresthesia, damaged both cochleas, and put me in a hospital for 5 days of hell. The staff did a number on my wife, telling her I was not going to make it, so everyone was notified and either called or came to see me.

I fooled everyone. I had to learn to type again, as my brain command to strike a key did not strike the right key. I had to learn how to ride a bike again, and somehow survived running my R1 off the road 3 times, without crashing. 4 years later, the collateral damage from radiation ended my riding.

The brain is a remarkable organ, seeking new pathways to reestablish motor control and dexterity. I only had to do many things once, to cement a bond in my head that was still there. All the technical information, memories, and skills I had were retained, and resurfaced when needed.

The only things that bug me, are short term memory, and severe arthritis. People our age tend to develop those maladies, I'm told. OK, the neuropathy and paresthesia bug me as well.

Didn't intend for this to be a personal tome, but my wife saw me come-back from the dead twice, and I'm hoping the third time is NOT the charm.

Anyway, all I have to do is look around, and quickly notice there are many in much worse shape than I, but I feel divine intervention on some level kept me alive. I've been given 2nd chances twice now, and of course experienced an epiphany that completely changed my views on religion, and God. Call it a spiritual awakening. People who haven't been through something like this, and ridicule religion and God, I forgive. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and beliefs.

I had one serious motorcycle accident in 42 years, from an oncoming truck in my lane, which forced a quick decision to hit a guard rail, instead of a head-on collision. I bet everyone here has stories they could tell, that would fill a huge bound book.

Getting back to tree trimming and clearing, I saw a video of a guy (FPS Russia Channel) who used some heavy duty artillery to clear some dead trees in a line. I used to take dead saplings out at the ripe young age of 14 with a Charter Arms .38 special. That was fun, and was the start of my powder burner hardware interests.

Today, I wouldn't waste expensive long arm ammo to take-out trees. Can't afford it, but I bet it would be just as much fun, as in my youth...

 

[r1derbike]

-- There have been major advances in gun technology. Guns are no longer single-shot, muzzle-loading weapons firing low-velocity lead balls. At the time, modern weapons were not even dreamed of: rapid, even automatic, fire weapons with high-velocity, high-lethality bullets. In addition, the mass manufacture of inexpensive guns was still off in the future.

Society is also much more complex, with dense concentrations of people in sprawling mega-cities.

Although the Constitution was well-drafted, it is neither infallible nor sacrosanct. This is, after all, a Constitution that legalized slavery and did not allow women voting. The bottom line is clear: the Second Amendment was a political response to the security situation two centuries ago. Even if it were well worded, even if we knew exactly what the drafters had in mind, it could not provide meaningful guidance for our modern society. It is probably the single most outdated part of the entire Constitution. Instead of quibbling over the exact meaning, scope, or intent of the Second Amendment, what is needed is new guidance on what constitutes a reasonable role for guns in modern society. This will be my last post here. Feel "free" to celibrate. You'll never convince me or any other person with common sense that a convicted criminal or person with extreme mental illness should be "allowed" to legally carry a loaded firearm in public. Now if those same people need to keep and bear arms they can do it at home for their protection of self, family and property. Other then that those 2 groups of individuals are not stable or enough to bear the responsibilities or carrying a loaded firearm in public.

I'm not going to quote passages, and then rebut them with replies. All I'm going to say is I'm sorry you feel you must go, but there are possibly other places where your personal views about the 2nd amendment, gun control, and firearms law would be better received. I'm disappointed that you seem to want everyone to conform to your views about the above. That is myopic, as well as the inability to comprehend the big picture.

Good day.

 

[r1derbike]

I think it's weird you guys need a special permit to carry concealed. In MA. law it just say carry. There is no distinction between concealed and open carry. Let me ask you all this. Have any of you been convicted of any crime wether juvenile or adult court?

OK, I can't let this one pass. No. I've received very few moving violations in 60 years as well. Yep, I'm a full-blown anarchist. Those traffic tickets really seal the deal.

 

[NavyLCDR]

You'll never convince me or any other person with common sense that a convicted criminal or person with extreme mental illness should be "allowed" to legally carry a loaded firearm in public. Now if those same people need to keep and bear arms they can do it at home for their protection of self, family and property. Other then that those 2 groups of individuals are not stable or enough to bear the responsibilities or carrying a loaded firearm in public.

You keep going back to the same tired old bullcrap which has absolutely nothing to do with justification for why people who are legal to carry firearms should have to prove to the government that they are legal to carry firearms and pay for the government's agreement that they are legal to carry firearms. Do you have to pay the government for a license to post on the internet? Do you have to pay the government for a license to go to church? Do you have to pay the government to vote? Do you have to pay the government for a 4th Amendment "no search and seizure" card? So why is the right to self defense deniable upon the condition of paying a tax to the government in order to exercise it? You keep going back to "do you want criminals and mentally ill people to carry firearms?" Whether I do or not does not change the fact that the government tax charged to those who are not criminals and to those who are not mentally ill in order to legally carry a firearm does nothing to keep the criminals and mentally ill people from carrying. In fact the first pistol permit system in New York state was enacted in order to PROTECT criminals!

The need for nor the right to self defense does not stop at one's doorstep. In fact, the further away a person gets from home, more than likely, the need for self defense increases. And the US Supreme Court has ruled that police have no duty to protect individual citizens - even if they had the resources to do it - which they don't. So quit justifying the government's taxation of my right to self defense.

 

[Firefighterchen]

You keep going back to the same tired old bullcrap which has absolutely nothing to do with justification for why people who are legal to carry firearms should have to prove to the government that they are legal to carry firearms and pay for the government's agreement that they are legal to carry firearms. Do you have to pay the government for a license to post on the internet? Do you have to pay the government for a license to go to church? Do you have to pay the government to vote? Do you have to pay the government for a 4th Amendment "no search and seizure" card? So why is the right to self defense deniable upon the condition of paying a tax to the government in order to exercise it? You keep going back to "do you want criminals and mentally ill people to carry firearms?" Whether I do or not does not change the fact that the government tax charged to those who are not criminals and to those who are not mentally ill in order to legally carry a firearm does nothing to keep the criminals and mentally ill people from carrying. In fact the first pistol permit system in New York state was enacted in order to PROTECT criminals!

The need for nor the right to self defense does not stop at one's doorstep. In fact, the further away a person gets from home, more than likely, the need for self defense increases. And the US Supreme Court has ruled that police have no duty to protect individual citizens - even if they had the resources to do it - which they don't. So quit justifying the government's taxation of my right to self defense.

Mommy Has thinks the 2A is outdated compared to the other Rights. That's all the justification he needs to be a mommy.

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[MHas]

Mommy Has thinks the 2A is outdated compared to the other Rights. That's all the justification he needs to be a mommy.

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I couldn't let this one go. I do not agree with having to pay, in my case a $100 basic firearms safety course and the $100 application fee for my LTC. I feel my wife and I pay enough taxes to both state and federal government that these "permission slips" should be free of charge. My only issue was that criminals and people with extreme mental disabilities should not carry loaded firearms in public. I never once said that a US citizen should pay for their right to bear arms. I just believe that, as the 2nd amendment states, it should be "well regulated". As soon as I brought up "regulations" you guys jumped all over me for simply stating my opinion. I guess in states that require a background check to buy a firearm then there isn't even a need to issue LTCs. In MA. we have no background checks to buy firearms. You just show your LTC and as fast as you can fill out the FA-10 you're walking out the door with a new firearm. You say I keep going back to BS but that BS was the only 2 issues I was arguing. All these other things you guys keep bringing up, I've never said or even feel the way you guys say I fell.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I couldn't let this one go. I do not agree with having to pay, in my case a $100 basic firearms safety course and the $100 application fee for my LTC. I feel my wife and I pay enough taxes to both state and federal government that these "permission slips" should be free of charge. My only issue was that criminals and people with extreme mental disabilities should not carry loaded firearms in public. I never once said that a US citizen should pay for their right to bear arms. I just believe that, as the 2nd amendment states, it should be "well regulated". As soon as I brought up "regulations" you guys jumped all over me for simply stating my opinion. I guess in states that require a background check to buy a firearm then there isn't even a need to issue LTCs. In MA. we have no background checks to buy firearms. You just show your LTC and as fast as you can fill out the FA-10 you're walking out the door with a new firearm. You say I keep going back to BS but that BS was the only 2 issues I was arguing. All these other things you guys keep bringing up, I've never said or even feel the way you guys say I fell.

Welcome back.

You don't understand what well regulated means.

MA gun control laws are ridiculous.

MA has very submissive subjects.

Is there anything else I should know about MA?

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