Cop accidentally shoots self in elevator.

[Firefighterchen]

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If you want to Quote Emerson, have at it.
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"Emerson may have had erotic thoughts about at least one man.[159] During his early years at Harvard, he found himself attracted to a young freshman named Martin Gay about whom he wrote sexually charged poetry.[58]"
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"Emerson's religious views were often considered radical at the time. He believed that all things are connected to God and, therefore, all things are divine.[144]"
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In other words, there is not Right & Wrong. That may explain a few things about the posts in this forum.
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You will excuse me if I DO NOT brush up on gay poetry. I'll pass.
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Ralph Waldo Emerson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homophobic much?

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[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by N R A View Post
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If you want to Quote Emerson, have at it.
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"Emerson may have had erotic thoughts about at least one man.[159] During his early years at Harvard, he found himself attracted to a young freshman named Martin Gay about whom he wrote sexually charged poetry.[58]"
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"Emerson's religious views were often considered radical at the time. He believed that all things are connected to God and, therefore, all things are divine.[144]"
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In other words, there is not Right & Wrong. That may explain a few things about the posts in this forum.
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You will excuse me if I DO NOT brush up on gay poetry. I'll pass.
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Ralph Waldo Emerson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Homophobic much?

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Repressed urges perhaps?

 

[BluesStringer]

Homophobic much?

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Right, because a guy using a phone with the mobile app asking another guy on a laptop with all the easily-accessible tools and utilities for posting off-site graphics, is just so gay to begin with.

And this crybaby keeps whining about being insulted and "attacked" in about every other post. What a freakin' gay hypocrite!

Blues

 

[Icemanii]

Do you drive a car? Are you ever a passenger in a car? Do you carry your carry handgun in your car? Accident investigators know that people in high speed vehicle crashes, are often found in some state of undress. Shoes off, socks off, shirt off, sometimes belt and pants off. This is seen more often in airline crashes, but also in high speed vehicle crashes, or particularly violent vehicle crashes. In a car crash turbulent enough to remove your shoes, do you think your handgun is going to stay safely tucked in its holster? If your gun gets dislodged in a 40 mph tbone accident in an intersection, and your gun goes onto the street, or the interior of your car, no safety, or a manual safety bumped to the ready position, places the public at risk, places first responders at risk, that risk is much reduced in C3 carry, and much increased in C1 carry.

This is just one example where C3 carry could increase personal and public safety.

Do i expect the clowns of the internet will post pics of their foolishness, or again partake in childish name calling over this post? No doubt in my mind, because in a free society where we have freedoms, we are also free to be childish and stupid, and mock good people that are trying to help others. On the Titanic, there was a group of drunken bullies that knew the ship could not sink, and made fun of people climbing into lifeboats. Because of the shouting and jeering, many people did not climb into lifeboats that departed half full. The know-it-all bullies with loud voices, often influence good people to make bad decisions that in the end, cause harm to people. This gun forum is no diffrent.

Training C3 is not a restriction of gun rights, it is not saying you are foolish or afraid of your gun. C3 is a higher state of readiness that should be looked into by intelligent people.

Bulls***! I got hit on a motorcycle hard enough it split tmyhe helmet in half, ripped my boot off, trashed my riding gear and almost tore a full size Harley in two. My 1911 cocked and locked never came out of the holster, never endangered any of the responders, nor did it cause little old ladies watching the accident aftermath to suddenly have heart attacks and die. The weapon stayed where it was, stayed safe and was never an issue.

So, unless you can cite an example of where your scenario is real life, it is just you trying to bully people with your "my way or the highway" attitude.

(And yes, I still carry the same way as well as still ride 12 months out of the year in MI)

 

[bofh]

 

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[bofh]

And lastly:

 

[N R A]

 

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[N R A]

 

[NavyLCDR]

IMHO, if anyone thinks they can drop both hands to manipulate a gun while repeatedly getting punched in the face and still have both the time and focus to ready a weapon and successfully use it in self defense, well, won't.

Haven't you been paying attention at all? You're supposed to draw the unloaded gun with one hand and rack the slide on your belt using the rear sight for leverage. Geez, every highly trained member of Israeli Mossad and graduate of one of N R A's classes knows how to do that!

 

[NavyLCDR]

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[bofh]

Yes, negligent discharges happen. Can they be prevented by carrying an unloaded firearm? Sometimes, sometimes not. Can they be prevented by following gun safety rules? ALWAYS!!!

If you ever have been in an actual self defense situation or did any force on force training, you would know that carrying with an empty chamber can be pretty useless.

As for the OP, the police officer clearly does not understand basic gun safety rules. He was handling his firearm (removing it from the holster) when not needed, one-handed (making sure he is not dropping the stuff he is holding with his other hand), concealed below two-layers, without looking at what he was doing, and while having his finger in the trigger guard. The attempt to re-holster the firearm is very telling as he does not even know that his coat is covering the holster. A classic example of the Swiss Cheese model. This negligent discharge, by the way, could have been easily prevented by taking the stairs instead of the elevator. The police officer would not have had the time to fiddle with his weapon.

 

[NavyLCDR]

When I carry condition 1, I have to train to PREVENT what could go wrong, IE: negligent discharge. If I carry condition 3, I have to train to respond to what has already gone wrong, IE: I need to shoot someone to protect myself or my family and I have an unloaded gun.... I would rather train to prevent a danger to other people (negligent discharge) rather than train to have to take extra (and completely unnecessary) action to respond to a threat to my life or my family's lives (loading the gun in a crisis situation).

 

[N R A]

Yes, negligent discharges happen. Can they be prevented by carrying an unloaded firearm? Sometimes, sometimes not. Can they be prevented by following gun safety rules? ALWAYS!!!

If you ever have been in an actual self defense situation or did any force on force training, you would know that carrying with an empty chamber can be pretty useless.

As for the OP, the police officer clearly does not understand basic gun safety rules. He was handling his firearm (removing it from the holster) when not needed, one-handed (making sure he is not dropping the stuff he is holding with his other hand), concealed below two-layers, without looking at what he was doing, and while having his finger in the trigger guard. The attempt to re-holster the firearm is very telling as he does not even know that his coat is covering the holster. A classic example of the Swiss Cheese model. This negligent discharge, by the way, could have been easily prevented by taking the stairs instead of the elevator. The police officer would not have had the time to fiddle with his weapon.

NDs are avoided by following two prime directives:

1: Owners Manual for the firearm & 2
2: Gun Safety Rules, the big 3, or the big 4, plus all the minor rules. Usually about a dozen by the time you add them up.

Would you agree, the gun owners manual, is important? If you put any weight in your owners manual, please publish for me, some owners manuals, where they tell you, as Joe citizen, to fill the chamber, and carry. Show me?

 

[bofh]

NDs are avoided by following two prime directives:

1: Owners Manual for the firearm & 2
2: Gun Safety Rules, the big 3, or the big 4, plus all the minor rules. Usually about a dozen by the time you add them up.

Would you agree, the gun owners manual, is important? If you put any weight in your owners manual, please publish for me, some owners manuals, where they tell you, as Joe citizen, to fill the chamber, and carry. Show me?

Nonsense. Every LEO in this country is apparently not following the owners manual then. Here is the Link Removed for you.

Link Removed also says that I should ALWAYS wear safety glasses and ear protection when firing the gun. Do I have to wear safety glasses and ear protection when I am carrying the gun as well, since I may fire it in self defense?

 

[NavyLCDR]

Nonsense. Every LEO in this country is apparently not following the owners manual then. Here is the Link Removed for you.

Link Removed also says that I should ALWAYS wear safety glasses and ear protection when firing the gun. Do I have to wear safety glasses and ear protection when I am carrying the gun as well, since I may fire it in self defense?

And every firearm manual that I have ever read has stated to not use reloaded ammunition....
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/S&W_1911_Pistol_Manual-07-10-2014.pdf

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[cmjasper]

You should all just agree to disagree and move on already. No one is going to change any minds here. That much is obvious.

Carry in whatever manner you feel comfortable with and quit worrying about it.

 

[Axeanda45]

You should all just agree to disagree and move on already. No one is going to change any minds here. That much is obvious.

Carry in whatever manner you feel comfortable with and quit worrying about it.

No... l refuse to EVER allow stupid, idiotic advice to go unchallenged... lt can get people killed.

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[JimPage]

I'm 78, still alive with no ND and no injuries as the result of gunfire. Been carrying since I was 22 yrs old. I will continue to carry in condition 1.