Cop accidentally shoots self in elevator.

[CapGun]

I carried C-3 for the first six months until I was confident in my gun handling skills. I now carry C-1 with the manual safety engaged except for in high risk environments such as gas station, ATM, downtown at night, etc. I train to draw with the safety on.

As does every 1911 owner/carrier.

 

[CapGun]

As it applies to carrying only! C-3 is safer then C-1. Leaving it home is safer for everyone. Civilians and everyone around them are safer if only the Police had guns. This video shows even the "trained professionals" put everyone in danger. There you go, problem solved. Nobody should carry a gun and we can all feel safer. I feel safer already, don't you? Just taking this thought process to a logical conclusion. I miss anything? Remember this started on the topic of carrying not self protection. So when "seconds count" who you gonna call? Well maybe you just feel lucky.... "well do ya punk?"
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[Firefighterchen]

So when "seconds count" who you gonna call?:biggrin:

GHOST BUSTERS!

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[Bikenut]

You know, I used to write an individual response to each and everyone of these threads. Then I decided to save myself time by using a standard response that I can keep on my hard drive, and simply copy and paste for the benefit of those who might be interested in finding a better way. (Definitely not everybody!) So, ....... here we go again!

ARC ANGEL'S STANDARD GENERIC REPLY TO ANOTHER ONE OF THESE, 'I JUST SHOT MY NUGGIES OFF WITH MY OWN GUN' THREADS:

I've been a Range Safety Officer for a long long time; and I've seen a lot of really crazy behaviors with guns. For as long as I've been on the internet and internet gun forums I've recommended, over and over again, that the general public should not be allowed to carry semiautomatic pistols in C-1.

Unless there's reasonable expectation of imminent engagement in a close quarter ambush, a user's pistol does NOT need to be in C-1. Furthermore it's been my experience that anyone who's well practiced, genuinely good with a gun, and KNOWS HOW TO CQB PISTOL GUNFIGHT will be equally effective regardless of whether or not he's got a round chambered. (I don't think this is true, I am 100% positive that it is!) General civilian C-1 carry of a semiautomatic pistol - especially a striker-fired or 1911 pattern pistol - constitutes a clear and unnecessary risk to everyone with whom the pistol's carrier comes into daily contact - Including the user, himself!

Exactly, 'Why' so many people so completely fail to understand amazes me! I suspect this reluctance to be GENUINELY SAFE is both a training issue, as well as an ill-considered emotional predilection to play, 'cowboy', or be a, 'tough guy'. (Please don't give me the usual nonsense about: 'If it ain't got one in the chamber then it's a brick.' Lots and lots of people have been killed with bricks!)

Just so we're clear: I DON'T CARE IF EVERY, 'GLOCKEROO', 'COWBOY', AND, 'TOUGH GUY' ON THE PLANET ENDS UP SHOOTING HIMSELF. IN FACT I MIGHT EVEN PREFER IT; HOWEVER, CHILDREN AND OTHER INNOCENT BYSTANDERS DESERVE A KINDER BETTER FATE!

:jester:

Translation:

-Do it the way I said is best because I, in my Range Safety Officer training and ultra experienced opinion, say so. And if you don't do it the way I say then you are a dumb ass not worthy of using air.-

Sigh.... just another condescending gun control freak wanting other people to ... "do it my way!".

Now...about this statement:

Originally posted by Arc Angel
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Unless there's reasonable expectation of imminent engagement in a close quarter ambush, a user's pistol does NOT need to be in C-1.
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Really? And when could I reasonably expect an imminent engagement or ambush? Do you watch the news? Have you seen where an attack can come at any time in any place? Including places people consider to be "safe" like churches or our own living/bed rooms? Wouldn't it be "reasonable" to "expect" that an attack can happen at any time anywhere? Perhaps, just perhaps, we should pass a law that requires criminals to call their victims ahead of time and make an appointment for an attack so the victim can ... expect an imminent engagement or ambush... and prepare their firearm by going to condition 1?

 

[NavyLCDR]

Unless there's reasonable expectation of imminent engagement in a close quarter ambush, a user's pistol does NOT need to be in C-1.

Unless there's reasonable expectation of imminent engagement in a close quarter ambush my pistol does not need to be removed from the holster, and as long as my pistol is in the holster there is no reason for it not to be in condition 1.

 

[N R A]

Unless there's reasonable expectation of imminent engagement in a close quarter ambush my pistol does not need to be removed from the holster, and as long as my pistol is in the holster there is no reason for it not to be in condition 1.

Do you drive a car? Are you ever a passenger in a car? Do you carry your carry handgun in your car? Accident investigators know that people in high speed vehicle crashes, are often found in some state of undress. Shoes off, socks off, shirt off, sometimes belt and pants off. This is seen more often in airline crashes, but also in high speed vehicle crashes, or particularly violent vehicle crashes. In a car crash turbulent enough to remove your shoes, do you think your handgun is going to stay safely tucked in its holster? If your gun gets dislodged in a 40 mph tbone accident in an intersection, and your gun goes onto the street, or the interior of your car, no safety, or a manual safety bumped to the ready position, places the public at risk, places first responders at risk, that risk is much reduced in C3 carry, and much increased in C1 carry.

This is just one example where C3 carry could increase personal and public safety.

Do i expect the clowns of the internet will post pics of their foolishness, or again partake in childish name calling over this post? No doubt in my mind, because in a free society where we have freedoms, we are also free to be childish and stupid, and mock good people that are trying to help others. On the Titanic, there was a group of drunken bullies that knew the ship could not sink, and made fun of people climbing into lifeboats. Because of the shouting and jeering, many people did not climb into lifeboats that departed half full. The know-it-all bullies with loud voices, often influence good people to make bad decisions that in the end, cause harm to people. This gun forum is no diffrent.

Training C3 is not a restriction of gun rights, it is not saying you are foolish or afraid of your gun. C3 is a higher state of readiness that should be looked into by intelligent people.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Do you drive a car? Are you ever a passenger in a car? Do you carry your carry handgun in your car? Accident investigators know that people in high speed vehicle crashes, are often found in some state of undress. Shoes off, socks off, shirt off, sometimes belt and pants off. This is seen more often in airline crashes, but also in high speed vehicle crashes, or particularly violent vehicle crashes. In a car crash turbulent enough to remove your shoes, do you think your handgun is going to stay safely tucked in its holster? If your gun gets dislodged in a 40 mph tbone accident in an intersection, and your gun goes onto the street, or the interior of your car, no safety, or a manual safety bumped to the ready position, places the public at risk, places first responders at risk, that risk is much reduced in C3 carry, and much increased in C1 carry.

This is just one example where C3 carry could increase personal and public safety.

1. And not one single shred of evidence that it has ever happened in real life.

2. A criminal could steal your gun and shoot you with it regardless of if the gun is in condition 1 or 3, and even if the criminal doesn't shoot you with it they still pose a danger to the public at large...so to be safe, leave your gun at home. Just about the same odds as your traffic accident scenario. Why don't you teach that?

http://uptownmessenger.com/2014/12/...ers-who-took-his-concealed-weapon-police-say/
http://www.walb.com/story/26801539/multiple-guns-stolen-in-valdosta-armed-robbery
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...or-Stolen-LAPD-Gun-in-South-LA-282797941.html
http://www.koco.com/news/robbery-suspect-killed-after-stealing-gun-shooting-at-police/29624272

 

[CharlesMorrison]

Do you drive a car? Are you ever a passenger in a car? Do you carry your carry handgun in your car? Accident investigators know that people in high speed vehicle crashes, are often found in some state of undress. Shoes off, socks off, shirt off, sometimes belt and pants off. This is seen more often in airline crashes, but also in high speed vehicle crashes, or particularly violent vehicle crashes. In a car crash turbulent enough to remove your shoes, do you think your handgun is going to stay safely tucked in its holster? If your gun gets dislodged in a 40 mph tbone accident in an intersection, and your gun goes onto the street, or the interior of your car, no safety, or a manual safety bumped to the ready position, places the public at risk, places first responders at risk, that risk is much reduced in C3 carry, and much increased in C1 carry.

This is just one example where C3 carry could increase personal and public safety.

Do i expect the clowns of the internet will post pics of their foolishness, or again partake in childish name calling over this post? No doubt in my mind, because in a free society where we have freedoms, we are also free to be childish and stupid, and mock good people that are trying to help others. On the Titanic, there was a group of drunken bullies that knew the ship could not sink, and made fun of people climbing into lifeboats. Because of the shouting and jeering, many people did not climb into lifeboats that departed half full. The know-it-all bullies with loud voices, often influence good people to make bad decisions that in the end, cause harm to people. This gun forum is no diffrent.

Training C3 is not a restriction of gun rights, it is not saying you are foolish or afraid of your gun. C3 is a higher state of readiness that should be looked into be intelligent people.

Are you serious?! Dude, turn in your man card cause you ain't nothing but a little b!tch....

"Do it my way or you're doing it wrong!"

Do us all a favor and turn in your guns and the "training" certificates you printed out over the internet...

Your mindset is far more dangerous than ANY loaded gun in private hands.

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[Firefighterchen]

On the Titanic, there was a group of drunken bullies that knew the ship could not sink, and made fun of people climbing into lifeboats. Because of the shouting and jeering, many people did not climb into lifeboats that departed half full. The know-it-all bullies with loud voices, often influence good people to make bad decisions that in the end, cause harm to people. This gun forum is no diffrent.

The majority of members here are in the life boats watching you bully your way to get people to stay on the sinking C3 ship.

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[NavyLCDR]

On the Titanic, there was a group of drunken bullies that knew the ship could not sink, and made fun of people climbing into lifeboats. Because of the shouting and jeering, many people did not climb into lifeboats that departed half full. The know-it-all bullies with loud voices, often influence good people to make bad decisions that in the end, cause harm to people. This gun forum is no diffrent.

You post your reasons why you think condition 3 is better - I post my reasons why I think condition 1 is better. Because I do exactly the same thing you do, I am bullying people into carrying condition 1?!? Why aren't you bullying people into carrying condition 3? Am I bullying because my reasons make more common sense than yours do?

 

[Bikenut]

Do you drive a car? Are you ever a passenger in a car? Do you carry your carry handgun in your car? Accident investigators know that people in high speed vehicle crashes, are often found in some state of undress. Shoes off, socks off, shirt off, sometimes belt and pants off. This is seen more often in airline crashes, but also in high speed vehicle crashes, or particularly violent vehicle crashes. In a car crash turbulent enough to remove your shoes, do you think your handgun is going to stay safely tucked in its holster? If your gun gets dislodged in a 40 mph tbone accident in an intersection, and your gun goes onto the street, or the interior of your car, no safety, or a manual safety bumped to the ready position, places the public at risk, places first responders at risk, that risk is much reduced in C3 carry, and much increased in C1 carry.

This is just one example where C3 carry could increase personal and public safety.

Please provide cites and/or links to actual cases that can be researched where a properly worn holstered gun became dislodged and placed the public at risk. Be advised that any lack of cites and/or links will be looked upon as pulling your example straight out of your anal cavity.

Do i expect the clowns of the internet will post pics of their foolishness, or again partake in childish name calling over this post? No doubt in my mind, because in a free society where we have freedoms, we are also free to be childish and stupid, and mock good people that are trying to help others.

Free to be childish and stupid and mock good people that are trying to help others? Really?

Originally posted by N R A
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Originally posted N R A
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and....

Originally posted by N R A
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On the Titanic, there was a group of drunken bullies that knew the ship could not sink, and made fun of people climbing into lifeboats. Because of the shouting and jeering, many people did not climb into lifeboats that departed half full. The know-it-all bullies with loud voices, often influence good people to make bad decisions that in the end, cause harm to people. This gun forum is no diffrent.

Yep.. this forum isn't any different with know it all bullies with loud voices trying to influence good people that condition 3 (essentially an unloaded gun) WON'T cause harm to people. You know... the victim of an attack who died because he couldn't rack a round into the chamber for any number of reasons is a "people" too so how was condition 3 safer for him? And don't give me that old crap about having time to rack the slide because criminals don't call ahead and make appointments, no one has perfect situational awareness all the time, and it is foolish to assume both hands will be useable, or there is some kind of projection (shoe heal perhaps) available to do a one handed rack. All of those are very dangerous assumption to be sure.

Training C3 is not a restriction of gun rights, it is not saying you are foolish or afraid of your gun. C3 is a higher state of readiness that should be looked into by intelligent people.

The complete utter ridiculousness of attempting to justify your belief that condition 3 is a higher state of readiness (how can anyone be more ready with a partially unloaded gun than the guy with an already fully loaded gun? One guy has to rack the slide then pull the trigger but the other guy only needs to pull the trigger.) by conflating it with being intelligent with the implication that anyone who doesn't go along with your belief, or doesn't get some super special training in carrying condition 3 is ... not intelligent?

The arrogance and condescension is simply astonishing!

Part of my response in contained within the quoted post in blue....

 

[BC1]

This officer removed his gun from the holster. How fricken stupid is that? What was that for? Looked like he almost put the gun in his coat pocket. Dumb dunb dumb. Officer 25 years. What this does show, is how year after year of doing the same action, and no negative outcome, you get sloppy, lazy.

Gun should never come out of a holster in such a public place unless you need the use of that gun. Just plain foolish.

Know why you have so many billions of flight miles and so few plane crashes? Redundant safety measures. Layers and layers of things, in place, so if one bad thing happens, or even two or three, even negligence by someone, the system has measures to envelope the problem and recover. Gun handeling could learn a few things from flight school.

Yup. I can't tell my students enough times...Load it, chamber it, holster it with retention and it isn't going anywhere. Hands-off, don't keep checking, touching or handling it.

 

[N R A]

The complete utter ridiculousness of attempting to justify your belief that condition 3 is a higher state of readiness (how can anyone be more ready with a partially unloaded gun than the guy with an already fully loaded gun? One guy has to rack the slide then pull the trigger but the other guy only needs to pull the trigger.) by conflating it with being intelligent with the implication that anyone who doesn't go along with your belief, or doesn't get some super special training in carrying condition 3 is ... not intelligent?

The arrogance and condescension is simply astonishing!

Part of my response in contained within the quoted post in blue....

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Had you been on the Titanic, your first clue, may have been one of the deck chairs floating right too left. Your first clue, in your upcoming gun tragedy, will be blowing off a child's ear, or her nose, or your foot. Who knows? My post is not meant to be arrogant, no distain, no disrespect. Why is it the in "your face gun people", have to brinish a Righteous Indignation attitude while they are banishing firearms?
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Hopefully, if Natural Selection has to teach Gun Owners a lesson, it is against themselves, like the guy in the Elevator (or the photo below), and not his friend in the elevator, and not a small child in the next room.
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[BluesStringer]

The majority of members here are in the life boats watching you bully your way to get people to stay on the sinking C3 ship.

Awesome sauce!

 

[N R A]

Most people, thank goodness, shoot themselves, in an ND. So if people only hurt themselves, ND away my fine friend. Carry the nastiest round you can carry, right in the chamber, and work at getting your no safety striker fired pistol down to half a pound trigger pull, or get a 1911, and disconnect the grip safety, and carry condition 0, with a half pound trigger pull.
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Musicals may be made about you also, if you are alive later, to view it.
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Towards the end of this music video, the track is played for an all male Greek wedding (or maybe a Condition 0 gun class - hard to tell those two groups apart), and the boys seem to really get off on the beat.
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[Firefighterchen]

Most people, thank goodness, shoot themselves, in an ND. So if people only hurt themselves, ND away my fine friend. Carry the nastiest round you can carry, right in the chamber, and work at getting your no safety striker fired pistol down to half a pound trigger pull, or get a 1911, and disconnect the grip safety, and carry condition 0, with a half pound trigger pull.
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Musicals may be made about you also, if you are alive later, to view it.
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Towards the end of this music video, the track is played for an all male Greek wedding (or maybe a Condition 0 gun class - hard to tell those two groups apart), and the boys seem to really get off on the beat.
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This post needs more vomit Blues.

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[N R A]

This post needs more vomit Blues.
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“One of the illusions of life is that the present hour is not the critical, decisive one.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson
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If you want to Quote Emerson, have at it.
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"Emerson may have had erotic thoughts about at least one man.[159] During his early years at Harvard, he found himself attracted to a young freshman named Martin Gay about whom he wrote sexually charged poetry.[58]"
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"Emerson's religious views were often considered radical at the time. He believed that all things are connected to God and, therefore, all things are divine.[144]"
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In other words, there is not Right & Wrong. That may explain a few things about the posts in this forum.
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You will excuse me if I DO NOT brush up on gay poetry. I'll pass.
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Ralph Waldo Emerson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Bikenut]

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Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
The complete utter ridiculousness of attempting to justify your belief that condition 3 is a higher state of readiness (how can anyone be more ready with a partially unloaded gun than the guy with an already fully loaded gun? One guy has to rack the slide then pull the trigger but the other guy only needs to pull the trigger.) by conflating it with being intelligent with the implication that anyone who doesn't go along with your belief, or doesn't get some super special training in carrying condition 3 is ... not intelligent?

The arrogance and condescension is simply astonishing!

Part of my response in contained within the quoted post in blue....

Had you been on the Titanic, your first clue, may have been one of the deck chairs floating right too left. Your first clue, in your upcoming gun tragedy, will be blowing off a child's ear, or her nose, or your foot. Who knows? My post is not meant to be arrogant, no distain, no disrespect. Why is it the in "your face gun people", have to brinish a Righteous Indignation attitude while they are banishing firearms?
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Hopefully, if Natural Selection has to teach Gun Owners a lesson, it is against themselves, like the guy in the Elevator (or the photo below), and not his friend in the elevator, and not a small child in the next room.
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Ahhh yes... spoken like a true anti gunner by referencing that tired old "in your face" thing and then going for the other tired old emotional ploy of mentioning a child. And, predictably, resorting to finding a photo to use for an insult.

The only thing going on here is, in your elitist arrogance, you want other people to carry only in ways you personally consider "reasonable", "appropriate", and ... most importantly... "acceptable".

What I find telling is the amount of mental masturbatory gymnastics you go through to justify your belief that you have the one true grail and everyone else are just plain foolish for not recognizing your noble altruistic desire to help save us from our unintelligent selves.

Imagine.... thinking training yourself to be one step behind is some kind of super special elite and more effective way of responding to a threat to life and limb.

 

[Axeanda45]

I am having a very hard time comprehending if this poster calling him/her/itself "n r a" has ever actually even been out of his/hers/its mothers basement long enough to even go to a gunstore to see a gun in real life.....


By the evidence so far, everything is pointing to his/her/it getting his/her/its entire education about firearms from a mall-ninja on youtube....

 

[FNWylde]

Do you drive a car? Are you ever a passenger in a car? Do you carry your carry handgun in your car? Accident investigators know that people in high speed vehicle crashes, are often found in some state of undress. Shoes off, socks off, shirt off, sometimes belt and pants off. This is seen more often in airline crashes, but also in high speed vehicle crashes, or particularly violent vehicle crashes. In a car crash turbulent enough to remove your shoes, do you think your handgun is going to stay safely tucked in its holster? If your gun gets dislodged in a 40 mph tbone accident in an intersection, and your gun goes onto the street, or the interior of your car, no safety, or a manual safety bumped to the ready position, places the public at risk, places first responders at risk, that risk is much reduced in C3 carry, and much increased in C1 carry.

This is just one example where C3 carry could increase personal and public safety.

Do i expect the clowns of the internet will post pics of their foolishness

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That was a pretty wild scenario!!


IMHO, if anyone thinks they can drop both hands to manipulate a gun while repeatedly getting punched in the face and still have both the time and focus to ready a weapon and successfully use it in self defense, well, won't.