For all you anti-cop posters

[BluesStringer]

These are some stories I have heard of or read before, linked through regular conservative sites that weren't gun related. Imagine you live in a Liberal Hell like southern Kalifornistan or Connecticut. Imagine they pass a stupid or unconstitutional gun control law. (I-594, CT Gun Registration etc.). You are not going to comply with this law, and to ensure your complaint is known you make sure that you do not comply in a very overt way, or protest. Is it easier to make your point from a prison cell, or by having the cops refuse to enforce the law?
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After the CT gun reg. passed, many people refused to register, but it's hard to make a display of not doing something. When I-594 passed, there were 1000 people in front of the courthouse selling guns back and forth on the steps. The cops refused to enforce the law that was obviously being broken. There are other examples, but some of these are actually in charge and their departments and precincts will follow their lead.
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Ore. sheriff: I won't enforce new gun laws
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OK, one last attempt to make you see that my view is not that the cops are always right, but would be helpful to have on your side if the revolution comes. There is usually at least one elected top cop in the city, county etc. Vet them, they are local, and local races are much easier to make a difference in. When Barry was pushing major unconstitutional gun control, there were hundreds of sheriffs across the country showing solidarity with the community and stating publicly that their officers would not enforce it if passed. Cops are human beings, some human beings are idiots, some have power trips, some have a Napoleon complex, etc. I can understand that people with this predisposition to a$$holishness would tend to have it magnified while in uniform, any uniform, or any other position of power or influence. I just am not scared of them, and feel they can be defeated. You want a country with no cops? Cool, I'm down with that, but what happens when the hood runs out of stuff? Somebody is then expanding their hunting ground, coming soon to a neighborhood near you. I'm sorry, but while Mad Max was a cool movie, I'd rather not live it.

First, Mad Max was a crap movie.

Second, the answer to CT's gun insanity law is exactly what's happening - defying it, resisting it, organizing around it, and out-of-staters smuggling to contribute to the effort. Over 300,000 banned weapons and magazines in that state right this minute is proof enough that you can "make a display of not doing something," and make the message loud and freakin' clear to the tyrants and their enforcers that if it be war they want, it will be war they get. What, other than an 85% non-compliance rate with multiple weapons behind each percentage point, do you imagine has kept Malloy and Lawlor from enforcing their Intolerable Act? It sure ain't because they give one good crap about the rights of citizens or have conscience-pangs about the imprudence of the law Malloy signed and tasked Lawlor with enforcing. They're freakin' wetting-their-panties scared. War has stared them in the face and they haven't stopped blinking since the first two weeks of the law got them all the compliance they were ever going to get, a measly 15%. Non-compliance has virtually voided the Intolerable Act.

Committed, armed resistance in Bunkerville accomplished the same thing.

The "I Will Not Comply" rally in Olympia a week or so ago will accomplish the same thing if it's repeated and built upon.

Voting, letter-writing, bitchin' and moanin' in local Letters to the Editor columns, playing nice with tyrants in any form or fashion will not accomplish anything anymore than consorting with the sheriffs your links go on about will do anything but give away whatever anonymity from LE is still allowed in this country. Those links highlight words, not actions. When the rubber has met the road in the last couple of years, LE of every description have followed orders, including shooting at innocent women during the Dorner manhunt, and intentionally burning him alive. There are no Oath Keepers actually working within LE. A few retired LEOs are members, maybe even active ones are members, but where the Hell were they during Dorner, Boston Bomber, Bunkerville, going en masse to the CT, MD, CO, WA, NY or MA State Houses to say stick these unconstitutional laws where the sun don't shine? They're out running DUI checkpoints or stop & frisk programs and drawing a paycheck, that's where.

You say you want "to make you see" that cops "...would be helpful to have on your side if the revolution comes." The revolution is here and they and I have already made our choices, whodat. They aren't friends to liberty any more than I am a friend to tyranny. I've made up my mind, and that's the way I see it. I see what I see and I process it the way I process it. Why you think that trying to "make" anyone see or process things the way you do is appropriate, needed or acceptable is quite well beyond me. It's none of those things.

And this thread is still nothing but a massive troll.

Blues

 

[Badge Fluffer]

You say you want "to make you see" that cops "...would be helpful to have on your side if the revolution comes." The revolution is here and they and I have already made our choices, whodat. They aren't friends to liberty any more than I am a friend to tyranny. I've made up my mind, and that's the way I see it. I see what I see and I process it the way I process it. Why you think that trying to "make" anyone see or process things the way you do is appropriate, needed or acceptable is quite well beyond me. It's none of those things.

And this thread is still nothing but a massive troll.

Blues

So, you've closed your mind. Why should anyone try to have a reasonable debate with you if you refuse to even try to understand their viewpoint, except through a cloud of scorn.

This thread may be a massive troll. But you keep on feeding it.

 

[Bikenut]

TLDR

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I find this quite interesting.....

From:

Urban Dictionary: TLDR

TLDR
Too Long. Didn't Read.

Frequently used acronym by lazy, ignorant people in Internet Forums, where their urge to type something exceeds their ability to read something or if they generally lack semantic ability to either comprehend or respond to a post due to underdeveloped brain.

Stating that they were to lazy reading someone else's post just confirms the ignorant attitude and also often destroys the discussion in the thread.

The average IQ of people typing TLDR in Internet forums is about 64. -snip-

Edited to add:

I've been following this discussion and I am amazed that anyone would not understand that our great country is balanced on the razor edge of either succumbing to tyranny without so much as a sigh or exploding into terrible violence as liberty is (again) fought for. And that the police, with a very few exceptions, have already shown they are NOT going to side with those fighting for liberty.

Only one question needs to be asked:

Why does a domestic police force need military vehicles/weapons while the citizenry is denied them?

 

[BluesStringer]

So, you've closed your mind. Why should anyone try to have a reasonable debate with you if you refuse to even try to understand their viewpoint, except through a cloud of scorn.

Well you've caught me. Yes indeed, I am closed-minded to playing nicey-nice with tyrants and their enforcers. Guilty as charged. So sue me.

The world in which I live holds as sacrosanct that truth is not up for debate. I engage in discussion when it comes to my convictions and decisions of conscience around here, not "debate."

And you of all people spewing platitudes about "reasonable debate" is a real hoot, Fluffy.

This thread may be a massive troll. But you keep on feeding it.

Because you're too lazy to read replies to you, you obviously missed where I said I don't back down to idiot trolls, troll.

 

[Badge Fluffer]

Only one question needs to be asked:

Why does a domestic police force need military vehicles/weapons while the citizenry is denied them?

If you want a serious answer to this question, I believe the buildup of weaponry and equipment for police forces really began after the incident in LA where two robbers with body armor and automatic weapons had the police outgunned. The police had to get better weapons from local gun stores. After this in incident, there was a national push to better arm and equip the police nationwide. Cities and towns were afraid of being outgunned. And once that ball got rolling, it was nearly impossible to stop.

 

[Badge Fluffer]

I find this quite interesting.....

From:

Urban Dictionary: TLDR

TLDR
Too Long. Didn't Read.

I noticed that you had to scroll past several definitions to get to the insulting one. Of course, the one you quoted was in and of itself a troll.



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[Bikenut]

I noticed that you had to scroll past several definitions to get to the insulting one. Of course, the one you quoted was in and of itself a troll.



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Did you note the irony?

 

[Axeanda45]

Hey Blues...... just wanted to say I am thankful for your reasoned and well thought out posts.... you say MANY things I wish I had the talent to say....

 

[Bikenut]

If you want a serious answer to this question, I believe the buildup of weaponry and equipment for police forces really began after the incident in LA where two robbers with body armor and automatic weapons had the police outgunned. The police had to get better weapons from local gun stores. After this in incident, there was a national push to better arm and equip the police nationwide. Cities and towns were afraid of being outgunned. And once that ball got rolling, it was nearly impossible to stop.

Keep telling yourself that the militarization of the police is so they can respond to common criminals. But then... perhaps you are right after all since it is always those in power who get to define the term "criminal".... (generally anyone they deem a threat to their remaining in power).

 

[gunnerbob]

If you want a serious answer to this question, I believe the buildup of weaponry and equipment for police forces really began after the incident in LA where two robbers with body armor and automatic weapons had the police outgunned. The police had to get better weapons from local gun stores. After this in incident, there was a national push to better arm and equip the police nationwide. Cities and towns were afraid of being outgunned. And once that ball got rolling, it was nearly impossible to stop.

Total deflection.

 

[Badge Fluffer]

Total deflection.

Deflection? How? It's how and when the militarization began. Nowhere did I offer an opinion about whether it was a good or bad thing.

Read what I write. Not what you "think" I mean.

 

[BC1]

Read what I write. Not what you "think" I mean.

Fluffy, I was always a supporter of the police. Sided with them. Donated to the PBA. Then one day my wife was accosted at a grocery store for parking slightly crooked but within the lines. He held her over an hour. Insisted she was drinking (she doesn't drink). She was recovering from spinal surgery, was wearing a full abdomen brace and walked using two French-brace crutches. He made her do a drunk test without her crutches. he repeatedly asked if he could search her car and pocketbook. She recorded the encounter on her phone. He told her the law required her to tell him what medications she took for he injury.
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Then my lawyer and I showed-up and he put a stop to it. My lawyer told the cop to hurry-up and arrest her. The cop was puzzled. The reason? She'll blow .oo BAL and takes no drugs. There won't be anything to prosecute her for. We'll bail her and have private blood and drug tests run by her doctor immediately. Then comes the lawsuit. Violations of the Americans With Disabilities Act, malicious prosecution, etc. The cop had decided he was just giving her a parking ticket (in a private parking lot) but changed his mind and left... humbly.
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Two weeks later the same cop did the exact same thing to her physical therapist who was coming home from work. Same parking lot. This year the PBA called for thei annual donation and I told them no more. Don't call again. They can go to hell.

 

[Badge Fluffer]

Fluffy, I was always a supporter of the police. Sided with them. Donated to the PBA. Then one day my wife was accosted at a grocery store for parking slightly crooked but within the lines. He held her over an hour. Insisted she was drinking (she doesn't drink). She was recovering from spinal surgery, was wearing a full abdomen brace and walked using two French-brace crutches. He made her do a drunk test without her crutches. he repeatedly asked if he could search her car and pocketbook. She recorded the encounter on her phone. He told her the law required her to tell him what medications she took for he injury.
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Then my lawyer and I showed-up and he put a stop to it. My lawyer told the cop to hurry-up and arrest her. The cop was puzzled. The reason? She'll blow .oo BAL and takes no drugs. There won't be anything to prosecute her for. We'll bail her and have private blood and drug tests run by her doctor immediately. Then comes the lawsuit. Violations of the Americans With Disabilities Act, malicious prosecution, etc. The cop had decided he was just giving her a parking ticket (in a private parking lot) but changed his mind and left... humbly.
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Two weeks later the same cop did the exact same thing to her physical therapist who was coming home from work. Same parking lot. This year the PBA called for thei annual donation and I told them no more. Don't call again. They can go to hell.

I agree with you that the cop was out of line. He was on a power trip. But does that mean ALL cops are bad? I've met some stupid, irresponsible gun owners. So by that logic we are all bad. The libs think we are wild eyed, would be vigilantes. If we are going to judge all by the action of a few (or even more than a few) then I guess I need to go shoot up a mall or something.

What I object to is the characterization by Blues, Chen, and others of all cops being like those in the minority.

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[Bikenut]

I agree with you that the cop was out of line. He was on a power trip. But does that mean ALL cops are bad? I've met some stupid, irresponsible gun owners. So by that logic we are all bad. The libs think we are wild eyed, would be vigilantes. If we are going to judge all by the action of a few (or even more than a few) then I guess I need to go shoot up a mall or something.

What I object to is the characterization by Blues, Chen, and others of all cops being like those in the minority.

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The point you are missing is that any and all of those "good" cops who do not arrest/testify against those "bad" cops are also................ "bad" cops. So now what does that do to what you are referring to as "the minority"?

 

[Badge Fluffer]

And just how do you know that they don't? If the department declines to discipline the bad cops, then the department is at fault. Additionally, whistleblowers are not generally looked favorably by their peers, in ANY profession. And since cops may have to depend on their peers in life and death circumstances, I can understand their reticence. It doesn't make it right, but it is understandable.

Let me ask you a question. Do you respect the military? Do you think that they are all lily white? When there are abuses of power and outright crimes there (Abu Graib, My Lai, etc...) do you condemn the ENTIRE military for the actions of a few and for those who keep their mouths closed? I may he wrong, but I would guess not.

Many people have a "someone else will take care of it" attitude. It may not be right, but changing human nature is difficult at best.

Personally, I feel that those who commit crimes and/or abuse their power don't deserve to wear a badge. I'm just not going to condemn all for the minority who are abusers.

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[Bikenut]

And just how do you know that they don't? If the department declines to discipline the bad cops, then the department is at fault. Additionally, whistleblowers are not generally looked favorably by their peers, in ANY profession. And since cops may have to depend on their peers in life and death circumstances, I can understand their reticence. It doesn't make it right, but it is understandable.

Let me ask you a question. Do you respect the military? Do you think that they are all lily white? When there are abuses of power and outright crimes there (Abu Graib, My Lai, etc...) do you condemn the ENTIRE military for the actions of a few and for those who keep their mouths closed? I may he wrong, but I would guess not.

Many people have a "someone else will take care of it" attitude. It may not be right, but changing human nature is difficult at best.

Personally, I feel that those who commit crimes and/or abuse their power don't deserve to wear a badge. I'm just not going to condemn all for the minority who are abusers.

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And I am pointing out that the cops who know a fellow cop is "bad" and have evidence/testimony to that fact but do nothing about it... are also "bad" cops.

Which makes that "minority" you are talking about, and trying to minimize, not so small a "minority".

Also, there is a very good argument already presented by folks much more articulate than myself that the police (the institution itself as opposed to individual members) has become corrupt simply because no one is watching the watchers except the watchers themselves.

 

[Firefighterchen]

And just how do you know that they don't? If the department declines to discipline the bad cops, then the department is at fault. Additionally, whistleblowers are not generally looked favorably by their peers, in ANY profession. And since cops may have to depend on their peers in life and death circumstances, I can understand their reticence. It doesn't make it right, but it is understandable.

Let me ask you a question. Do you respect the military? Do you think that they are all lily white? When there are abuses of power and outright crimes there (Abu Graib, My Lai, etc...) do you condemn the ENTIRE military for the actions of a few and for those who keep their mouths closed? I may he wrong, but I would guess not.

Many people have a "someone else will take care of it" attitude. It may not be right, but changing human nature is difficult at best.

Personally, I feel that those who commit crimes and/or abuse their power don't deserve to wear a badge. I'm just not going to condemn all for the minority who are abusers.

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Cops who are indifferent to the evil the bad cops do, are just as guilty on my book. It's not right, nor is it understandable.

I do not blindly respect the military either. I respect the few I personally have known and deserve the respect.

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[whodat2710]

Second, the answer to CT's gun insanity law is exactly what's happening - defying it, resisting it, organizing around it, and out-of-staters smuggling to contribute to the effort. Over 300,000 banned weapons and magazines in that state right this minute is proof enough that you can "make a display of not doing something," and make the message loud and freakin' clear to the tyrants and their enforcers that if it be war they want, it will be war they get. What, other than an 85% non-compliance rate with multiple weapons behind each percentage point, do you imagine has kept Malloy and Lawlor from enforcing their Intolerable Act? It sure ain't because they give one good crap about the rights of citizens or have conscience-pangs about the imprudence of the law Malloy signed and tasked Lawlor with enforcing. They're freakin' wetting-their-panties scared. War has stared them in the face and they haven't stopped blinking since the first two weeks of the law got them all the compliance they were ever going to get, a measly 15%. Non-compliance has virtually voided the Intolerable Act.

Quit being dense. Not registering a gun is great. A public display of not registering a gun is hard to pull off. That is all I said.

Voting, letter-writing, bitchin' and moanin' in local Letters to the Editor columns, playing nice with tyrants in any form or fashion will not accomplish anything anymore than consorting with the sheriffs your links go on about will do anything but give away whatever anonymity from LE is still allowed in this country. Those links highlight words, not actions. When the rubber has met the road in the last couple of years, LE of every description have followed orders, including shooting at innocent women during the Dorner manhunt, and intentionally burning him alive. There are no Oath Keepers actually working within LE. A few retired LEOs are members, maybe even active ones are members, but where the Hell were they during Dorner, Boston Bomber, Bunkerville, going en masse to the CT, MD, CO, WA, NY or MA State Houses to say stick these unconstitutional laws where the sun don't shine? They're out running DUI checkpoints or stop & frisk programs and drawing a paycheck, that's where.

OK, so if there is a Sherriff running in an election that is a tyrant, supporting the other guy that is not a tyrant is worthless? That's just lazy. Who do you think promotes and schedules the DUI checkpoints? You think replacing the tyrannical guy that does that with someone that has other priorities is "playing nice". Whatever, but please try to get your talking points out without ignoring the validity of what I say because you don't have the time to make a difference. You want to wait in your bunker and fight only when they come for you, then pray for a good body count on the way down that's fine.

You say you want "to make you see" that cops "...would be helpful to have on your side if the revolution comes." The revolution is here and they and I have already made our choices, whodat. They aren't friends to liberty any more than I am a friend to tyranny. I've made up my mind, and that's the way I see it. I see what I see and I process it the way I process it. Why you think that trying to "make" anyone see or process things the way you do is appropriate, needed or acceptable is quite well beyond me. It's none of those things.

Guess what, you are not the only one reading what I post, and I am not writing this stuff just to tick you off. You have made up your mind. Fine. I know that I'm not going to change it. I also have conviction that your version of reality is extreme, and that there are other opinions that should also be considered. The loudest voice is not always right. "They and I have already made our choices"? I think you are wrong. You have made your choices, fine. "They" are not a conglomerate of single-minded jack-booted thugs that oppose you. "I distrust all Jews because I know what they think and who they are." That is what you are professing as the unchangeable facts, just replace "Jews" with "Cops". I don't care how you try to spin it, that is just ignorant.

 

[whodat2710]

Fluffy, I was always a supporter of the police. Sided with them. Donated to the PBA. Then one day my wife was accosted at a grocery store for parking slightly crooked but within the lines. He held her over an hour. Insisted she was drinking (she doesn't drink). She was recovering from spinal surgery, was wearing a full abdomen brace and walked using two French-brace crutches. He made her do a drunk test without her crutches. he repeatedly asked if he could search her car and pocketbook. She recorded the encounter on her phone. He told her the law required her to tell him what medications she took for he injury.
.
Then my lawyer and I showed-up and he put a stop to it. My lawyer told the cop to hurry-up and arrest her. The cop was puzzled. The reason? She'll blow .oo BAL and takes no drugs. There won't be anything to prosecute her for. We'll bail her and have private blood and drug tests run by her doctor immediately. Then comes the lawsuit. Violations of the Americans With Disabilities Act, malicious prosecution, etc. The cop had decided he was just giving her a parking ticket (in a private parking lot) but changed his mind and left... humbly.
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Two weeks later the same cop did the exact same thing to her physical therapist who was coming home from work. Same parking lot. This year the PBA called for thei annual donation and I told them no more. Don't call again. They can go to hell.

Same cop, same parking lot... Sounds like there needs to be action taken against this one cop so that others don't think this is acceptable. Was there any action taken other than verbal at the scene? Did his boss hear about it? Did he get reprimanded about it in any way? You say he left "humbly", but obviously his attitude wasn't properly adjusted since it happened again 2 weeks later. I personally would make it my mission in life to see the guy booted from the force. I personally don't "donate" to any organization. I will volunteer my time and effort, but it's amazing how many "administrative" costs there are to process your donation.

 

[Badge Fluffer]

Whodat, I agree that cops like this give the rest a bad name. Was there a complaint filed by the victim?

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