Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?

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True, but when did the open carry Texas start getting national attention? They have been doing what they've been doing for years and the stores didn't care. It was only till the mommies from another state got involved did a fight occur.

It's almost as if the victim is bring blamed for fighting back when a bully comes strolling in fighting people.

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Both sides are doing this. Holding an OC event at someone's store is no different than the moms. Everyone needs to keep stores and businesses out of this fight because if they're forced to make a choice it's usually not pro-gun. C'mon, what about those guys carrying an AR? You think that doesn't trigger groups like MDA to respond.
 
Both sides are doing this. Holding an OC event at someone's store is no different than the moms. Everyone needs to keep stores and businesses out of this fight because if they're forced to make a choice it's usually not pro-gun. C'mon, what about those guys carrying an AR? You think that doesn't trigger groups like MDA to respond.
Are you suggesting that we hide our rights by cowering in fear of "triggering" some anti gun group? Or hide our rights for fear we won't have the convenience of shopping everywhere? Nice trade that.... give up rights in fear of annoying someone so we lose the convenience of shopping.

And what about those stores and businesses that welcome long gun OC? You know... like the Chipoltes in Texas that invited the long gun carriers to hold their meeting there ... guns and all.... but it was MDA that seized on that picture to push their gun control agenda. Should we cower in fear of Bloomberg and his anti gun minions MDA?

Or should we recognize that only cowards let themselves be bullied into hiding their rights.... and that the property owner has the right to make up his own mind about guns and we should respect that by shopping at places that don't ban guns? After all... while it might be inconvenient to have to shop somewhere else not every store is going to ban guns. And people have given up their lives fighting for our rights.... how does that compare to being annoyed with some shopping inconvenience?
 
Are you suggesting that we hide our rights by cowering in fear of "triggering" some anti gun group?
What I'm suggesting is to stop involving these establishments in the fight. Someone carrying an AR in a grocery store, although legal, is the sign of an ass. Let the moms make asses of themselves. Let them be the nut-jobs. Let them get thrown-out of the stores. It's wrong for either side to involve the establishment in their fight so BOTH get tossed out. Everyone knows the moms are nuts. Let them get booted. If I owned a store and someone carried a rifle while shopping I too would tell him to go put it in his car. I'm a businessman. And someone's gun rights will not interfere with my profitability. While I don't particularly care, others may be scared and I'm not losing that customer because someone wants to make a statement. The store isn't in the gun right business. The battle for gun rights belongs in preserving the law.
 
What I'm suggesting is to stop involving these establishments in the fight. Someone carrying an AR in a grocery store, although legal, is the sign of an ass. Let the moms make asses of themselves. Let them be the nut-jobs. Let them get thrown-out of the stores. It's wrong for either side to involve the establishment in their fight so BOTH get tossed out. Everyone knows the moms are nuts. Let them get booted. If I owned a store and someone carried a rifle while shopping I too would tell him to go put it in his car. I'm a businessman. And someone's gun rights will not interfere with my profitability. While I don't particularly care, others may be scared and I'm not losing that customer because someone wants to make a statement. The store isn't in the gun right business. The battle for gun rights belongs in preserving the law.
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Are you suggesting that we hide our rights by cowering in fear of "triggering" some anti gun group?
Yes... that is exactly what you are suggesting.

Look... as a businessman you have the right to make no guns rules for whatever reason you want. I'm not contesting that. What I am contesting is the idea that we should not carry long guns into businesses because anti gun nuts will jump on anything... anything at all including a photo of two guys carrying long guns who were invited by the business with their long guns..... to push an anti gun agenda.

There is a difference between a businessman making a no guns rule due to profitability concerns (whether that is based in actual bottom line facts or not) and putting forth the idea that folks should stop carrying long guns just because the MDA might be "triggered" into bullying and intimidating businesses into instituting a no guns rule. Hell ... that kind of thinking is the same kind of thinking that says folks should only carry concealed so anti gun groups aren't "triggered" into going off about open carry.

Never forget that anti gun groups will find something, anything at all even if no one ever carried a gun ever, to push their anti gun agenda.

Some guy carries an AR into your business BC1? You have the right to toss him and his gun out. No contesting that at all. But to suggest no one carry a long gun into any business at all in fear of "triggering" an anti gun group means you have already given up your right to bear a long gun out of nothing more than the fear of the anti gun group. And that, my friend, means the anti gun group won... and they didn't even have to put up a fight because you gave up before the fight began.
 
Both sides are doing this. Holding an OC event at someone's store is no different than the moms. Everyone needs to keep stores and businesses out of this fight because if they're forced to make a choice it's usually not pro-gun. C'mon, what about those guys carrying an AR? You think that doesn't trigger groups like MDA to respond.

Do you think they should open carry handguns and get arrested? Would you rather see that happening in your store as a businessman? What is so bad about an AR that the object creates an ass out of an otherwise normal person?

The mommies made themselves look stupid based on pictures not only on open carry events, but individuals open carrying during their normal days.

Do concealed carriers think the mommies will stop at open carry? At some point, if not all ready, they will be saying concealing a handgun makes you an ass, what will you say then?

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I had Jury Duty yesterday, I did not carry, I felt naked.
I wish they provided lockers so you could store your firearm.
 
I haven't made it through all 35 pages, but there is some really good info in here.

I live in a state where no weapons signs carry no weight with the law. I'll admit that before reading this thread I would still carry in these buildings. I'm man enough to admit my wrongs and see the fault in it now.

Respect goes a long ways with me and I sure would hate for someone to disobey my requests when entering my household.

Legally, I could still carry in these building. But out of respect for them I no longer will.

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Thank you. "do onto others as you would want them to do onto you". Wise advice that is a consistent basis for a civil society. When someone decides that they do not like the law or a request by a business owner or a homeowner yada yada yada.
 
Yes... that is exactly what you are suggesting.

Look... as a businessman you have the right to make no guns rules for whatever reason you want. I'm not contesting that. What I am contesting is the idea that we should not carry long guns into businesses because anti gun nuts will jump on anything... anything at all including a photo of two guys carrying long guns who were invited by the business with their long guns..... to push an anti gun agenda.

There is a difference between a businessman making a no guns rule due to profitability concerns (whether that is based in actual bottom line facts or not) and putting forth the idea that folks should stop carrying long guns just because the MDA might be "triggered" into bullying and intimidating businesses into instituting a no guns rule. Hell ... that kind of thinking is the same kind of thinking that says folks should only carry concealed so anti gun groups aren't "triggered" into going off about open carry.

Never forget that anti gun groups will find something, anything at all even if no one ever carried a gun ever, to push their anti gun agenda.

Some guy carries an AR into your business BC1? You have the right to toss him and his gun out. No contesting that at all. But to suggest no one carry a long gun into any business at all in fear of "triggering" an anti gun group means you have already given up your right to bear a long gun out of nothing more than the fear of the anti gun group. And that, my friend, means the anti gun group won... and they didn't even have to put up a fight because you gave up before the fight began.
What I'm saying is everyone needs to take their fight elsewhere, both moms and the pro-gun community. Because if you involve my store in your protest it doesn't matter who you are or what the topic is; I'm booting that person(s). My store doesn't have a dog in the fight. The moms? They would get a letter stating they aren't welcome in my store because they protested. The pro-gun community isn't breaking any law so I don't care if they OC. I'm not giving-up anything. But if a guy walks-in carrying an AR and several paying customers scurry out of fear then that person must put his gun in the car. When his rights affect my profits I'm getting in the fight and everybody loses. NEVER rub another man's rhubarb. Never interfere in his profitability. It's an absolute loser.
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Let's say I own a coffee shop. A couple of guys are hanging around having coffee and OC. The moms either come-in or send a letter of complaint. I'm returning a letter telling them to stay out of my coffee shop. If they return I'm filing trespass charges. If they step one foot in my parking lot to protest I'm filing trespass charges. To me they're the criminals in this thing and the OC'ers are just having coffee. But if a group of people come-in just to carry the gun to show their solidarity or strength, well I don't want them either. No protesting in my store. No protesting anything. No making a statement about rights in my store. Also no religion and no freedom of speech in my store. I sell coffee. I'm not a vehicle for anyone's protest.
 
I had Jury Duty yesterday, I did not carry, I felt naked.
I wish they provided lockers so you could store your firearm.
Cold day in hell when I report for jury duty. The lawyers are liars, the judge is a liar, the prosecutor is a liar and the witnesses are probably liars. They want me to render a verdict based on less than all the evidence/facts as the trappings of the court and rules of evidence disguise the real story. Sworn-to by a scoundrel and verified by a liar. The entire process is corrupt. If they forced me to serve I'm nullifying the verdict as a statement. Justice? These people haven't had a passing relationship with justice or honesty since they passed the bar exam.
 
Do you think they should open carry handguns and get arrested? Would you rather see that happening in your store as a businessman? What is so bad about an AR that the object creates an ass out of an otherwise normal person?

The mommies made themselves look stupid based on pictures not only on open carry events, but individuals open carrying during their normal days.

Do concealed carriers think the mommies will stop at open carry? At some point, if not all ready, they will be saying concealing a handgun makes you an ass, what will you say then?

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Yes, personally if someone feels they need to carry an AR in my store with a 30 round mag I regard them as an ass. I'm ejecting them for being an ass, not over gun rights. It's not the presence of a gun, it's the affect on my $$$$$$$$$$ when people leave out of fear. Most people, even a lot of people who carry, would regard the person as an ass.He isn't a normal person being made into an ass. He's an ass. And I don't want him because he's an ass. As a rule? don't EVER f--k with my $$$$$$. I turn ugly real fast. Your gun rights don't feed my family. Most people wouldn't notice OC and rarely notice CC. If that scares them off then to hell with them anyway. But any moron that feels he needs an AR in my store is not welcome. Knock-off the crap and carry a handgun like everyone else. Finally, as a PP instructor with significant training, an AR is a lousy weapon in a close-quarters attack. Consider the Tueller drill with an AR.
 
Yes, personally if someone feels they need to carry an AR in my store with a 30 round mag I regard them as an ass. I'm ejecting them for being an ass, not over gun rights. It's not the presence of a gun, it's the affect on my $$$$$$$$$$ when people leave out of fear. Most people, even a lot of people who carry, would regard the person as an ass. As a rule? don't EVER f--k with my $$$$$$. I turn ugly real fast. Your gun rights don't feed my family. Most people wouldn't notice OC and rarely notice CC. If that scares them off then to hell with them anyway. But any moron that feels he needs an AR in my store is not welcome. Knock-off the crap and carry a handgun like everyone else.

Again, what's so bad about an AR? What makes gun owners pee their pants when they see someone carrying one?

Money has nothing to do with thinking an AR creates an ass out of someone. It has everything to do with demonizing a specific firearm.

Wouldn't it be nice if they could open carry a handgun...but I guess the one person who would leave in fear, or the one carrying an ar...can only choose one right?

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Again, what's so bad about an AR? What makes gun owners pee their pants when they see someone carrying one?

Money has nothing to do with thinking an AR creates an ass out of someone. It has everything to do with demonizing a specific firearm.

Wouldn't it be nice if they could open carry a handgun...but I guess the one person who would leave in fear, or the one carrying an ar...can only choose one right?

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What's so bad about an AR? Nothing, other than it's about the dumbest personal defense weapon one could carry in public. If someone is scared of that guy I don't judge them. I'm a businessman. My business is not gun rights. My family depends on me to provide for them and NOTHING will interfere with my $$$. I said in another post I take this approach to everything. If you involve me in something I'm settling all scores. If two employees couldn't get along they knew better than to bring it into my office because they would both be fired on the spot. I didn't care who was right or wrong. I only care that it takes my eye off the ball or affects my profits.
 
So BC1 , what you are saying is that in a "business world" the constitution and the foundation on which our military fights on and people loose children and moms and dad's doesn't matter as long as you still make money. What happens when all our rights get ripped out from under us . Will you stand up and fight for our freedom if it came down to it, or would you coward down in the corner and give up your rights as a American and follow the government just so you could provide for your family. What fit he guys said that the first time in the revolutionary war . what if the guys said you know what if we oppose the government we might not be able to provide for our family. Good luck providing for your family when the government and the one world judicial system has control of your business and monitors the stuff you do . oh wait it seems you would like that cause then you wouldn't have to put up with Americans patriots carrying a fire arm in your business and scarring off your $$$$$$$$$. How the world has changed and it all revolves around the all mighty money. I feel for people like you sir and May God help you through the last days of this world.

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I think this is all about common sense. The sh!t stirrers know who they are. And make the rest look bad. CC OC.

I can't say who the sh!t stirrers are. Only the person carrying- Knows the intent with which they are carrying.

But the intent shouldn't matter. Our right is our right. But life just doesn't work that way.

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Stl was one of those cities that you could oc. But with the Starbucks OC- town after town began to restrict Oc after their appearance.

Does that make the Starbucks oc group the villains in this? No.

As of October this year. You can now OC in formerly restricted towns as long as you have a cc. Funny right?
 
Stl was one of those cities that you could oc. But with the Starbucks OC- town after town began to restrict Oc after their appearance.

Does that make the Starbucks oc group the villains in this? No.

As of October this year. You can now OC in formerly restricted towns as long as you have a cc. Funny right?

Starbucks oc had been going on for a long time and Starbucks had no problems. Restricting carry into establishments began when MDA appeared, not when oc appeared.

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So BC1 , what you are saying is that in a "business world" the constitution and the foundation on which our military fights on and people loose children and moms and dad's doesn't matter as long as you still make money. What happens when all our rights get ripped out from under us . Will you stand up and fight for our freedom if it came down to it, or would you coward down in the corner and give up your rights as a American and follow the government just so you could provide for your family. What fit he guys said that the first time in the revolutionary war . what if the guys said you know what if we oppose the government we might not be able to provide for our family. Good luck providing for your family when the government and the one world judicial system has control of your business and monitors the stuff you do . oh wait it seems you would like that cause then you wouldn't have to put up with Americans patriots carrying a fire arm in your business and scarring off your $$$$$$$$$. How the world has changed and it all revolves around the all mighty money. I feel for people like you sir and May God help you through the last days of this world.

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You need to be around more than 34 posts to make that statement to me. Let me straighten you out on this.
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First, the second amendment is between you and the government only. It isn't the business of my company and I'm not betting my future on anything to do with you or your problems with the government.
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Second, I don't know you so I don't trust you with a gun. Period. I don't want you defending me or my business and surely I don't want you opening-up in my business. As a handgun and PP instructor for many years I've seen a lot of poor shooting. A large number of these people couldn't hit the ground with their hat. I'll handle problems on my own property. Long, hard experience makes me this way. I would not enforce a "no-guns" policy until some wafer-head involves my profits in his protest or statement. Then everyone is out. other than that everyone is free to carry their handgun as the law allows. But some zipper-head who believes his AR is an appropriate carry gun for PP is obviously untrained. It's a horrible weapon for close-quarters defense.
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Third... Cower? Hardly. To no one. To no punk, jerk. to no person making a statement, to no LEO, judge or government agency. My gun rights come from my creator, not the law. I don't commit crimes. I don't break the law. I don't bother anyone. I don't argue or fight with anyone. I tread lightly. I'm no criminal, thus I won't be disarmed.
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My job is to provide for myself and my family. The revolutionary war is over. We aren't facing a monarchy with absolute power over us. I don't need "good luck" from you. Not sure who's filling your head with conspiracy theories about government control, but the government isn't controlling my businesses. I was very successful in business and retired in my mid-forties. If I only did business with people who accept or are pro-gun I would never have been successful. And the same goes for all controversies. No religious nuts, no abortion or anti-abortion protests. Nothing. Nada.
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I'm responsible for training thousands of NYS residents over the last decade who obtained their CCW permits through my services. I've put my time in defending gun rights. What have you done to empower gun rights to that level? I consider myself a patriot. My family has been here since the mid 1700's. So I say get off my property... see, THAT'S the beauty of being American. I can throw Sonny out by his ear because I don't like his shoe size. No explanation needed. Celebrate THAT in the classroom today instead of creating little entitled, soft, girly-boys.
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Starbucks oc had been going on for a long time and Starbucks had no problems. Restricting carry into establishments began when MDA appeared, not when oc appeared.

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I was saying that in agreeance indirectly with BC1. MDA came and brought bad publicity for Starbucks. And when a business is "threatened" - they have to take a stance.

But of course I don't agree with Starbucks' approach. They're such a huge cooperation. They could've well survived a couple measly losses from revenue and shareholders- amidst mda vs. OC. But they chose to keep a their share value up a couple extra pennies over defending our rights.
 
I carry everywhere that is not federally regulated as a no gun Zone. There really are not enough of us to effect their business, So for my convenience Ill go to their business.. and laugh at their policies.
 
I carry everywhere that is not federally regulated as a no gun Zone. There really are not enough of us to effect their business, So for my convenience Ill go to their business.. and laugh at their policies.

So you violate state laws?
 
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