apvbguy
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a sadly typical answer, the problem is that your kind can't discern one from the other. beware, guys like you will be the first to be purged
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a sadly typical answer, the problem is that your kind can't discern one from the other. beware, guys like you will be the first to be purged
AndeyHall
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Is that not what I just did? If I couldn't "discern one from the other", how would I have made the comparison?
apvbguy
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coming soon to a city near you, how to take out an APC real quick
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the arrogant ones will one day learn that there are far many more of us than there are of you
AndeyHall
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So your arguments now are simply arbitrary comments and links? I don't think near as many cops, including myself, are anything like what you so desperately want them all to be. I honestly think you and Blues would both be disappointed if a law enforcement encounter wasn't that which you claim to despise so much.
Stengun
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BluesStringer
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Any law enforcement "encounter" I am forced into is already an overreach. It's been 20 years since I've gotten so much as a ticket. Cop had me dead to rights. That is decidedly not the kind of encounter law-abiding citizens like me despise, as you (finally) accurately described it. Since that ticket, I learned my lesson. I drive like a granny now that no cop has a reason to pull me over. I nearly obsessively check to make sure all my lights work, don't drink, don't do drugs, don't steal, lie or cheat, and yet when I'm just drivin' down the road mindin' my own damned business, I can be forced into a DUI "show-me-your-papers-checkpoint" where any real or perceived attitude by me can "authorize" a cop to "investigate" me further, and there I sit as a free man with all of my constitutional rights fully intact being detained, questioned, delayed and at least verbally harassed, if not getting the crap beat out of me for no legal reason whatsoever.
Of course you think people like me are making something out of nothing about the attitudes you've expressed in this thread. You have been taught (very well) to believe that any claim of a right to be free from contact with law enforcement is invalid, and our rights exist only to the degree to which people like you *allow* them.
Get ready. Attitudes like mine are going to get much worse until y'all's attitudes get much better.
Blues
AndeyHall
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I can't really understand where you're coming from on this one. Now you're complaining about getting stopped and delayed at DUI/license stops. We have those every so often and their intent seems to be fairly straight forward here. You stop, give them your license, registration, proof of insurance, and as long as those 3 things are valid and up to date, and they do not smell alcohol or anything you go on your merry way. As I'm sure you are well aware, driving is not a right guaranteed under the constitution. I do not find it to be an over reach in the least for them to make sure drivers have the proper credentials to be behind the wheel, and make sure they're not just a few miles away from crossing the center line and hitting me or one of my family head on. If you don't like it there's always bikes, running, walking, the bus, subway, taxi...whatever might be available in your area.
apvbguy
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now it is the fourth amendment that you haven't a clue about, sheeesh
AndeyHall
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IIII don't have a clue about the 4th amendment? Me? Examine what I just said and please enlighten me where exactly your 4th amendment right was compromised. Pretty please. Blues may be accused of a lot of things, inarticulate ain't one of them. You on the other hand...(pun intended)
apvbguy
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just haven't gotten caught yet? Link Removed
AndeyHall
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You seem to have more of the cop mentality you speak of than I do. Make accusations that are totally unfounded and based off emotion and then keep making more accusations when you're called out.
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AndeyHall
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BluesStringer
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With zero probable cause, or even "reasonable articulable suspicion" of the driver having done anything illegal, right?
You really have a hard time with how "rights" work, don't you?
Their intent has absolutely nothing to do with comporting with The People's rights to be free from fishing expeditions by cops.
Just exactly as I said, a "show-me-your-papers-checkpoint." That's all it is. The last two SMYP checkpoints I got stopped at 1) made me late for work both times and, 2) only caught one impaired driver between them. However, three people were arrested on warrants, and an unreported "large" number of cars were towed to the impound yard because of driver's either not having insurance, or not having their insurance cards with them. It has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with revenue generation, at the expense of The People's God-given rights.
And point to the part of the 4th Amendment where it says that there is implied consent to have the odor of my mouth searched by the state without a warrant. Best of luck with that.
You don't get it. A search is a search is a search. The 4th Amendment controls when you can, but more importantly, when you can't conduct searches. You guys push the limits as far as you can until you get a court ruling that says screw the 4A, "it's for the widdow chirren" or whatever other sh!thouse excuse the courts give to violate our rights, and you run with it as though Thomas Jefferson himself told you you could!
Don't ever claim that you respect citizens' rights. You quite clearly don't. In fact, you steal them like a thief in the night.
You're so full of crap. There have been at least 20 posts on this forum alone in the last year or so citing multiple Supreme Court rulings that directly contradict what you say here. I'm not going to go huntin' for 'em, or even one of 'em, because it wouldn't matter to you anyway. First you'd ignore it, and at some point you have to quit listening to your indoctrinators and do a little homework on your own. Your bosses say "violate their rights" and you run right out and violate peoples' rights. You are thoroughly indoctrinated into thinking the Constitution grants you the authority to do it too. It's disgusting.
You're right. If The People don't like their rights being violated on a regular basis, there are things they can do about it. One of those things is implementing the 2nd Amendment for the purposes of which it was truly intended. Hopefully if that ever happens, it won't kick off because of something as trivial as a SMYP checkpoint, but it will definitely be because of the cavalier attitude of tyrants and their enforcers (that's you, Junior) who take and take and take our rights past the point of being tolerable. The law doesn't only apply to us, Junior, in fact, it is your master much more so than ours. Actually, it belongs to us, We, The People of the United States (that does not include you in your capacity as an LEO - as an LEO, you are the government, not The People). The Constitution is our progeny, our creation. We granted you the authority to act on our behalf and in our best interests, and acknowledged our natural right to deny you that same authority when you overstep the bounds that we put on you. One of the tools that we gave ourselves to protect that tenuous relationship between government and We, The People, was the 2nd Amendment. Don't think you're immune from it when the lock comes off that toolbox. You can look at what's happened in Ukraine in just the last two weeks to see how well that works out for government and their swine enforcers when they govern against the interests of The People.
Blues
AndeyHall
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Alright bluesy, as I've said before you've got it ALL figured out. You can maintain that asking for someone's license at a license or DUI checkpoint is unconstitutional all you want. You can make the outrageous claim that driving is protected under the constitution (I must have missed the ratification of the 28th amendment), but I'm still gonna maintain you're dead wrong. You can maintain than I'm a tyrant, @$$h0le, rights violating cop just like I can maintain that you're a cop-hating (just for the sake of hating them), @$$h0le, know-it-all, closed minded old fart. I may be wrong, but only to the same extent that you are.
As for avpb or whatever the letters in his name are, he's just a dumbass who's trying his best to follow your lead without a clue of what he's talking about so he had to resort to pictures and videos so that all he has to say is "this is you", since that's the most intellectual thing his simple mind can conjure up.
apvbguy
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you do realize that when you took your tests and then saw the shrinks in order for you to get hired the level of your intelligence was in play. as a general rule if you are too intelligent very few police agencies would hire you, they like to hire at the lower ends of the intelligence scale. J/S
IQ average (90) For Law Enforcement - Topix
AndeyHall
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I'm gonna reply to that on a level you'll understand...
I know you are but what am I?!
apvbguy
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it's ok, I'm willing to accept you for who/what you are
