Was it the music or the shotgun that caused Dunn to shoot Jordan?
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Nick Burkhardt
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Consistent with sitting in the drivers seat of a low sedan and holding a pistol level while shooting to the left rear. You wouldn't want to shoot UP where a miss could end up over a quarter mile away.
But like I said before, the new standard in Florida requires that you are beaten to near unconsciousness before you can use deadly force to defend yourself.
kwimby
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Sorry I don't know all details of this case. So this Dunn guy was actually seated in his car, repelling the alleged attack from people seated in another car?
Wow. Even more amazing. And there is no evidence of return fire from the alleged shotgun or anything else?
He's gonna have alot of fun in jail.
BC1
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"I was the one that was being preyed upon and I fought back," he told Rouer. "It’s not quite the same, but it made me think of like the old TV shows and movies where, like, how the police used to think when a chick got raped going, 'Oh, it’s her fault because of the way she dressed.' I'm like, 'So it’s my fault because I asked them to turn their music down.' I got attacked and I fought back because I didn’t want to be a victim and now I'm in trouble. I refused to be a victim and now I'm incarcerated.”
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He actually believes he was preyed upon and attacked. Guess he's never really been attacked.
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"He bends forward and picked something up with both hands," Dunn wrote in the letter obtained by CBS News. "As he's doing this, he says 'yeah-I'm going to f-----g kill you!" and now I can tell what he's picked up, as he just laid a gun barrel against the window sill. I can see about four inches of the barrel sticking up and it looks thick enough to be a 12 gauge maybe a 20 gauge shotgun. Something happened inside of me when he advanced towards me and my paralysis left me," Dunn continued. "Between fear, adrenaline and muscle-memory, I grabbed my pistol from the glove box. As I was doing so, I shouted, 'You're not going to kill me you son of a b----!'"
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No one ever advanced on him. The boy never left the car. But he maintained the boy was outside the car.
AndeyHall
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Nick Burkhardt
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Then why was the rear door of the SUV open? I don't think the kids having a shotgun is likely either, too difficult to get and dispose of without anyone noticing. A tire iron is more likely to be in the back seat and thrown in a dumpster without raising suspicion.
Nick Burkhardt
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Meanwhile here in Oregon Link Removed This February 4th two meth heads are riding in an old SUV on a rural road. Allegedly, the older meth head tries to rob the younger one. The younger one says "I have a gun". The robber says "I do too" and reaches under his seat, but is shot once in the side and twice in the back. The younger bails out and the driver takes the robber to the hospital where he dies an hour later. No gun was found on the robber or in the vehicle. A week later the kid turns himself in and pleads self-defense. He was just No Billed by the Grand Jury this Wednesday and released. The Sheriff isn't even going to charge him with carrying concealed without a license. Yeah, things are different out here in the Old West.
AndeyHall
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I mean I can't help but agree with the sheriff here. Why put him in jail where he'll be safe from his own lifestyle? This sounds to me like a case of 2 meth heads doing our dirty work for us...
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Boy, that sure has a "protect and serve" ring to it, doesn't it though? Your "dirty work" apparently is to protect and serve meth-heads to death!
AndeyHall
Active member
In jail, he's safe from the type situations he had just put himself in. Out on the streets, he's likely to wind up dead in a month or so. Which scenario do you think costs the hard working tax payer less money?
BC1
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From CNN "Witnesses testified that child locks on the SUV were engaged, and that Davis -- who was seated in the rear -- could not have gotten out of the back seat to threaten Dunn. But Strolla said the teen could simply have opened the door by putting his hand out the window, which was open." There was no proof presented that the rear door was open. The only person who said it was open is Dunn who was caught in numerous lies and attempts to get a witness to lie.
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There was one door that WAS open. Dunn's.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
And where in your oath does it say that tax-payers are the only ones to benefit from your obligation to protect and serve?
My point had nothing to do with money. Deflection, pure and simple.
AndeyHall
Active member
Call it what you will, but no officer's oath says anything about discretion. But discretion happens to be one of the single most effective tools in an officer's belt. 100% black-and-white fairness may sound good when you say it out loud, but it doesn't always work that way.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
So you're saying my first reply to you was correct then, you see it as your "dirty work" to "protect and serve" meth heads to death.
Got it.
Blues
AndeyHall
Active member
I'm not sure what you're saying protect and serve them to death?
If you're saying "protect and serve" them by letting them kill themselves, then sure, that's what I said. By "dirty work", I am referring to just dealing with them at all, any shape or form. Having to arrest them is "dirty work".
BluesStringer
Les Brers
I'll let everybody else decide for themselves if the bottom quote is consistent with the top quote.
It isn't to me, and the top quote is made even more clear by your bringing the specter of saving tax dollars when meth heads die, whether by their own lifestyle, or at the hands of cops.
Whatever. You are an interesting study in the progression of the cop-mentality. Most of the time you sound like you really get it, and other times you sound like you're just a meth-head (or whatever other despised class of citizen) away from becoming the kind of cop who is indifferent to suffering, or mental illness that manifests in self-destructive behaviors. Mental illness and/or addiction are not "lifestyles," Andey, neither are they crimes in and of themselves. You would do yourself, and the citizens you serve, a huge favor by closing out the voices around you that dehumanize addicts to the point of feeling justified to celebrate their death or the suffering they would endure in jail. It's a very small step from celebration to actually being the cause of someone's death and/or suffering.
Blues
AndeyHall
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I don't think I ever condoned taking someone's life just because they're an addict. What I am saying is that if they want to take each other's lives, there's not much I can do about that. And no voices are the cause for my personal opinions, they are from my experiences only. If there has to be 2 sides, I'll let the bleeding hearts be the ones to feel sorry for them. You say the drugs themselves are not the problem, yet I have never heard anyone say "Boy Joe really got his life together ever since he started taking meth/marijuana/crack/heroine!" Almost all crimes are committed by individuals who are under the influence or regularly use some substance. It usually winds up being the ultimate demise of any successful person who gets hooked on it. How do you not see drug use bad in and of itself?
BluesStringer
Les Brers
This is one of those times where you're adopting the typical cop-mentality. I never said drugs weren't a problem, I said mental illness and addiction are not crimes in and of themselves. DO NOT lie about what I say. That is total cop-speak for, "I'M in control here, this is not a debate." You are decidedly not in control here, cop.
You're youth and naivete is betraying you. People become addicts any number of ways, many of them by following directives of the same government that employs you. You think Adderall, Ritalin, Provigil or any number of prescription opiates and barbiturates are any less addictive than meth, heroin, or cocaine? All of the former kinds of drugs are routinely prescribed to treat various forms of mental illness, and the same government entities that can order or authorize or fund such treatment for school children up to prison inmates, can likewise order it taken away, leaving addicts to find the drugs in the latter list on their own. In many cases the meth head that you arrest (and seem to despise) was created by your employer, the state, or the county, or the city, and they may have been as young as seven or eight years old when your employer started pumping them full of those addictive drugs. What happens when they turn 18 and the state decides to wash its hands of being responsible for their "treatment" that turned them into junkies? You're the next government representative they're likely to encounter. How sad for them that thought is!
Just because you're too young and stupid to have figured these things out for yourself, does not make me a "bleeding heart" because I have made it my business to understand who holds which responsibilities for what in reality.
Absolute nonsense. Almost all crimes go unnoticed and/or uninvestigated and/or never caught and/or never prosecuted for lack of evidence and/or committed by powerful and rich people insulated from the justice system and/or committed by cops and prosecutors insulated from prosecution by, you guessed it, cops and prosecutors(!!), anything but the meth-heads and junkies cowering behind a dumpster somewhere trying to load a pipe or syringe to get them through another few hours before you just stumble upon them! Fact is, junkies are just the easiest criminals for cops to catch, so if everyone you see is a junkie, it just means you (or your training officer, whatever) are taking the easiest way of getting through each shift! You can't seriously believe that "almost all crime" is committed by junkies, can you?
Quit lying about what I said.
Blues
AndeyHall
Active member
Alright blues, you've got it all figured out. I'm sorry, just let me know when your book is coming out.
But there is nothing "typical cop mentality" about it. Maybe typical upstate South Carolinian, since what I said would have come out of any cop and non-cop's mouth where I'm from.
Just this past week, we picked up 2 shop lifters at a local walmart. Before our search incident to arrest, we asked if they had any sharp objects and gave the typical examples. They both said no. Guess what we found during our search? Both had spoons with meth taped on the inside, a bic lighter, and an uncapped used syringe. Now I understood the risks of this job when I signed up, and I'm not saying I can't accept them, but I get to go into work each day and wonder which one is gonna be the day I go home with aids or something else because these dipshits don't realize that "yes" or "no", it's gonna be found. So no, I really don't care about someone like that's past or whatever the hell they've been through.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
I rest my case. The badge you wear has poisoned you. You are now officially "The Problem."
