Point shooting

[kelcarry]

How did we get from point shooting to clearing a house?

Clearing a house in my house will only be within 21 feet and more likely 5 ft. Point shooting gets the point (no pun intended) across as efficiently and accurately as any pistol furniture.

Many comments already on lasers--what do they have to do with point shooting? Hope that is good enough for you.

 

[the dark]

Many comments already on lasers--what do they have to do with point shooting? Hope that is good enough for you.

During an incident not much, but a laser bullet for training (e.g. learning body indexing) can be very useful.

 

[Eidolon]

Since we are talking about clearing houses let me say right off the bat it isn’t something I’d do alone if I had any other option. If I came home to obvious signs of a break in with no reason to assume any member of my family was in the home I’d call the police and let them investigate.

I’ve never had an intruder in my home so I can’t speak from experience but if you take a home invasion out of the equation, it seems that burglars do one of two things. They either run as soon as you make your presence known or they stand there and dare you to shoot them.

I’ve never heard a report of a criminal holing up to ambush a home owner. It seems to me that the kind of guy that would do that is there for you anyway and you really won’t need to “clear” the house because if you sit tight he’ll come to you.

 

[Bikenut]

Since we are talking about clearing houses let me say right off the bat it isn’t something I’d do alone if I had any other option. If I came home to obvious signs of a break in with no reason to assume any member of my family was in the home I’d call the police and let them investigate.

I’ve never had an intruder in my home so I can’t speak from experience but if you take a home invasion out of the equation, it seems that burglars do one of two things. They either run as soon as you make your presence known or they stand there and dare you to shoot them.

I’ve never heard a report of a criminal holing up to ambush a home owner. It seems to me that the kind of guy that would do that is there for you anyway and you really won’t need to “clear” the house because if you sit tight he’ll come to you.

But when you come home do you look for those signs of a break in or do you just wander in dumb and happy?

My point is that I suspect most folks just unlock the door and walk in secure in the belief that no one is inside simple because no one is supposed to be inside.

Oh.... and not all of our life experiences are the same. Some folks have learned their house may not still be empty just because they have an alarm system.

And again... some homes have the master bedroom at one end and the kid's bedrooms at the other end making it necessary to "clear" the way to get to your kids. Unless a person just wants to hide in their bedroom and wait for the cops while their kid is raped/killed at the other end of the house.

My point there is... while many folks would not wish to "clear" their house sometimes it might be necessary and/or wise to do so. And it wouldn't hurt to know where all the possible hiding places/choke points are before being faced with an actual situation.

 

[BC1]

How did we get from point shooting to clearing a house?

Because clearing a house is generally a close-quarters activity... point shooting is wonderfully suited for this. Should someone be lurking in the house, chances are good they'll spring on you from a close proximity. Also use a "ready-retained" position if you believe the intruder is close-at-hand. Point shooting is covered extensively in the course "NRA personal Protection Inside the Home." Most folks don't know how to do this effectively, thus the need for the training.

 

[Eidolon]

But when you come home do you look for those signs of a break in or do you just wander in dumb and happy?

I am what the world calls hyper vigilant. I don’t even get up to go to the bathroom at night without scanning my avenues of approach.

My point there is... while many folks would not wish to "clear" their house sometimes it might be necessary and/or wise to do so

It might but the odds are against it.

And it wouldn't hurt to know where all the possible hiding places/choke points are before being faced with an actual situation.

Won't argue with you here

 

[Eidolon]

Because clearing a house is generally a close-quarters activity... point shooting is wonderfully suited for this.

If I have to clear a house I'd much rather use an M67 or several

 

[telpinaro]

My point there is... while many folks would not wish to "clear" their house sometimes it might be necessary and/or wise to do so. And it wouldn't hurt to know where all the possible hiding places/choke points are before being faced with an actual situation.

I'll have quite a dilemma when my mom stays with us... My bedroom is right next to my son's, and sitting in front of his door will offer good concealment while I can see pretty much everything. I'm of the persuasion that they can take whatever they like from the basement, as long as they don't come near me. Need a new TV anyway. However, the guest bedroom is in the basement, right below mine, requiring quite the traverse through lots of open space and completely losing sight of my son's room. (A sleepy little kid is not someone you want tagging along while clearing a house...) Here's hoping she's willing to learn to take care of herself... Thank goodness this is a very low-crime area and you can expect every house around here to have multiple guns.

 

[Eidolon]

Even though I think the odds of you ever having to actually clear your house are low I would never say never do it because, once again, nothing is written in stone.

What I will say is that if you decide to clear your house then know that as soon as you step out the door the odds are all in the other guy’s favor and it’s very likely that he is going to get the first shot if for no other reason than he doesn’t have to worry about identifying his target.

If you do hit the million to 1 odds of waking up to your kid screaming in the other end of the house the badguy knows you're coming. In fact if that ever in a million years happened to me I would assume I was walking into an ambush.

If you seriously believe that this scenario is a likely possibility then I would strongly suggest that you invest in some body armor. If you really think there’s someone out there, with a gun, in your home and you really think there’s even a low possibility of you exchanging gunfire then you need to take every precaution available to you. If you aren’t willing to pony up and put on the vest you don’t really think there’s anyone out there

 

[mappow]

If I have to clear a house I'd much rather use an M67 or several

Use and train with the tools at hand. I'd love to have my security force clear my house but I"M that force and or my wife so it's up to us.

 

[apvbguy]

Use and train with the tools at hand. I'd love to have my security force clear my house but I"M that force and or my wife so it's up to us.

are there no cops up there?

 

[BC1]

If I have to clear a house I'd much rather use an M67 or several

Lot's of drywall to repair there... :lol:

 

[BC1]

One day a few years back I came home to find my best friend and a LEO sitting on the car in my driveway. My alarm had gone off and I didn't have my cell phone with me (stupid, aye?). My friend got the backup call. It didn't look like anyone had broken-in. I decided to enter and asked the cop "you coming with me?" He said "Nope. You have a gun, go ahead and clear it. If we hear shooting we'll come-in." Damn!

 

[Firefighterchen]

Point shooting is close quarters and so is clearing a home...but why are we putting them together?

If you are one to hole up in your safe room, why is your firearm not up and ready?

If you are clearing your home for many reasons one would choose to do so, why is your firearm not up and ready?

Point shooting seems like a reactionary skill to cut down time after the real element of surprise is used against you...

If there is time to get ready, why are people still point shooting?

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[apvbguy]

One day a few years back I came home to find my best friend and a LEO sitting on the car in my driveway. My alarm had gone off and I didn't have my cell phone with me (stupid, aye?). My friend got the backup call. It didn't look like anyone had broken-in. I decided to enter and asked the cop "you coming with me?" He said "Nope. You have a gun, go ahead and clear it. If we hear shooting we'll come-in." Damn!

wow, you must have some rep amongst the leos in your area!
one time I came home to the alarm blaring, I arrived just behind the responding cops, I asked them if the wanted me to let them in, they said to stay back and they then cleared the house, my dog who was a crazy puppy at the time was the culprit.

 

[BC1]

wow, you must have some rep amongst the leos in your area!
one time I came home to the alarm blaring, I arrived just behind the responding cops, I asked them if the wanted me to let them in, they said to stay back and they then cleared the house, my dog who was a crazy puppy at the time was the culprit.

No, I don't know the cop but my friend did. They sat there heckling and poking fun. He said as a policy they don't clear houses when an alarm goes off because there are so many false alarms. This was a false alarm. ADT indicated a glass-breakage alarm went off. They had checked around outside and saw no windows were broken. There was a bad thunderstorm that day and really loud booms can set-off glass breakage sensors. Should've had my cell phone.
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Dog mischief... once while I was working outside my (4 mos. old) German Shepard pup got out of his pen and went in the bathroom to play with water. Somehow he knocked the tub's water faucet lever on AND closed the stopper during his free-for-all. When I walked-in the house and saw this wet pup looking up at me I knew he did something. They have that "just pumped the neighbor's cat" look on their face. You're almost afraid to investigate.

 

[apvbguy]

I guess my small town's cops in NJ are a bit more service orientated than your pals dept is

 

[Rhino]

Use and train with the tools at hand. I'd love to have my security force clear my house but I"M that force and or my wife so it's up to us.

My tools at hand are two Labrador retrievers. They clear the house for us. If there are strangers inside, the Lab's tails will be loudly banging on the walls and furniture. They LOVE company!

 

[wolf_fire]

if you think clearing a house is a good idea, good for you

When I know the police will arrive in an average of 12 minutes (national average in cities, more in rural communities) then I'm kind of forced to take security and protection into my own hands. Not that security and protection of me and my own weren't my responsibility in the first place.

As one wise person once put it, "They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

I will not sit around and wait for a government servant to rummage through my house and my belongings because I'm too scared to protect my own. The police have no duty to protect any one of us. I do have a moral duty to protect my family and what I have worked for. If you so choose to go the government servant route, that is your decision.

As far as your words "a good idea".... is it a good idea to let the potential BG continue to stay in your house an average of 12 minutes or more before the police arrive? Is it a good idea to let the police, government servants who do not have a duty to protect you, come in and rummage through your house just because you won't? Is it a good idea to show your family that you have this firearm, you have this training, but when push comes to shove, you'll call the police to protect them instead while waiting for another 12 or more minutes? Do you not know your house better than a stranger? Would you not be the better person to clear your own house than a police officer who has never seen the lay out of your house or how your furniture is aligned nor has a legal duty to protect you? Do you not train in your house how to clear it if someone were in it?

BTW... the quote was to the Pennsylvania Assembly in 1755 and later written as the motto on the title page in 1759 in a book called An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania

 

[wolf_fire]

One day a few years back I came home to find my best friend and a LEO sitting on the car in my driveway. My alarm had gone off and I didn't have my cell phone with me (stupid, aye?). My friend got the backup call. It didn't look like anyone had broken-in. I decided to enter and asked the cop "you coming with me?" He said "Nope. You have a gun, go ahead and clear it. If we hear shooting we'll come-in." Damn!

That's because they have no duty to protect. Supreme Court 2005!