Benefits of carrying concealed and having real priorities.

[Axeanda45]

Some final (yeh right, I already said many posts ago I was done) thoughts.... There is still the confusion to some of how I can claim what I do and STILL believe someone has the right to deny or revoke my permission to be on their "property" while insisting I can be armed anywhere on this earth and not infringe on their "Rights"..... To most , if not all of you this just does not compute.. and to be honest I am really having a hard time trying to find the words to explain it....

But here goes nothing.....

IF a property owner wishes me to leave or not even come onto his/her property, they have that right, no arguments from me, even if I dont like it I will leave when asked to do so. BUT!!!! (I like big buts?) at the same time my rights (yours too) dont disappear from existence while I am on said property.... oh, you may have rules prohibiting them, but they still exist no matter how many rules or how hard you wish they didnt. Darn, that is confusing.... how about this: You dont want me to have a gun, fine, I wont let you know I have one and we will both be happy and safe.... (your "rules" may be broken but your "right" to make all the rules you want are still intact...)

The higher ground is the one that takes more into consideration than just someone elses "rules", and looks at the bigger picture... I understand how others "rules" are what they desire, yet is that REALLY what they want? by having a no weapons rule, what is it that they really desire? Are they sadistic and want everyone disarmed so they will die a horrible death at the hands of some lowlife? I dont think so, I give them (and you, well, most of you) more credit than that.

Is the real truth that they really just want to feeeeeel safe? The way they try to do this is by having "rules" that they THINK will accomplish it, yet you and I know (well, some of us on here do anyway) that they are delusional and their "rule" does the exact opposite thing they think it does. Or is it that they have an irrational fear of firearms and dont want to see them 'cause they sheet their britches whenever they even think they see one.. Arent I complying with their true wishes by "hiding" mine?

By my carrying a hidden weapon on my person I am actually HELPING keep that person "safe" (well, at least they are not in more danger from me having it)... because when, not if, some lowlife comes in and starts killing people I have the tools to possibly protect myself and in doing so might also protect the property owner at the same time.

 

[Bikenut]

-snip-

I know, now you are going to say I am hypocrite.... -snip-

One only needs to read your last two posts (posts #80 and #81) to make a decision about whether your perspective/beliefs are hypocritical.... or not.

 

[Axeanda45]

Allow me to show you how illogical and downright stupid I believe your arguments (your arguments, not you) about rules are rights by using different words....


Your argument is this:

"squares are circles because I own property"

It is MY PROPERTY so I have the Circle to say Squares are Circles....

While my argument very simply states that they are different things.... if they arent different things, why are they defined/named by 2 different names?

You can stand around all day and declare squares are circles and it just is not going to change the reality that they are squares....

 

[Axeanda45]

One only needs to read your last two posts (posts #80 and #81) to make a decision about whether your perspective/beliefs are hypocritical.... or not.

If you, bikenut, cannot understand something, does that make your decision about it correct?


Isnt the very definition of a hypocrite mean to believe one thing yet do the opposite? I have stated as best as I can that I am in fact doing exactly as I believe.....

 

[Bikenut]

-snip-
how about this: You dont want me to have a gun, fine, I wont let you know I have one and we will both be happy and safe.... (your "rules" may be broken but your "right" to make all the rules you want are still intact...)
-snip-
Is the real truth that they really just want to feeeeeel safe? The way they try to do this is by having "rules" that they THINK will accomplish it, yet you and I know (well, some of us on here do anyway) that they are delusional and their "rule" does the exact opposite thing they think it does. Or is it that they have an irrational fear of firearms and dont want to see them 'cause they sheet their britches whenever they even think they see one.. Arent I complying with their true wishes by "hiding" mine?
-snip-

You actually said that and then said this:

True freedom requires that we must allow others all the rights we enjoy.... whether we like/agree with it or not......

But your postings in post #80 and #81 do not show that you are willing to "allow" others to exercise their rights.

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
One only needs to read your last two posts (posts #80 and #81) to make a decision about whether your perspective/beliefs are hypocritical.... or not.

If you, bikenut, cannot understand something, does that make your decision about it correct?

Isnt the very definition of a hypocrite mean to believe one thing yet do the opposite? I have stated as best as I can that I am in fact doing exactly as I believe.....

I have no doubt that you believe what you have posted.

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post

Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
-snip-

I know, now you are going to say I am hypocrite.... -snip-

One only needs to read your last two posts (posts #80 and #81) to make a decision about whether your perspective/beliefs are hypocritical.... or not.

Hypocrite - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

hyp·o·crite
noun \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\

: a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs

Please do continue to post so folks can make up their own minds about that "hypocrisy" question.

 

[Axeanda45]

Bikenut, how is it that you just dont understand that the things of mine you quoted actually exonerate me and make your argument/post invalid?

You fail to actually read what I wrote and decide what I mean without even coming close to understanding what is actually written.... (is that a brain twister or what...)

I 100% do NOT believe your rules are your rights.

I 100% DO BELIEVE that my RIGHTS trump your rules, and I act accordingly.... Hence, I do NOT fit the definition of a hypocrite at all, (which you so kindly posted to prove MY point) I am the exact opposite...


So, I am NOT hypocritcal at all, you just simply believe me to be... which is your right.... lol

 

[Bikenut]

Bikenut, how is it that you just dont understand that the things of mine you quoted actually exonerate me and make your argument/post invalid?

You fail to actually read what I wrote and decide what I mean without even coming close to understanding what is actually written....

I 100% do NOT believe your rules are your rights.

I 100% DO BELIEVE that my RIGHTS trump your rules, and I act accordingly....


So, I am NOT hypocritcal at all, you just simply believe me to be... which is your right.... lol

And you do not understand that my private property rules are the way I am exercising my private property rights just as carrying a gun is exercising your right to bear arms.

What you fail to understand is my private property rights give me the power to restrict your ability to exercise your right to bear arms. And that if you do not obey my rules that restrict your ability to exercise your right to bear arms my private property right gives me the power to require you to leave and exercise your right to bear arms elsewhere.

The hypocrisy comes in when someone believes that their right to bear arms trumps the private property owner's right to not allow the bearing of arms. The real hypocrisy is shown when the person knows that they must sneak their gun into the property in order to get away with disobeying the property owner's no guns rule. You know... like you mentioned below.

Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
-snip-
how about this: You dont want me to have a gun, fine, I wont let you know I have one and we will both be happy and safe.... (your "rules" may be broken but your "right" to make all the rules you want are still intact...)
-snip-

and you just posted this gem:

-snip-
I 100% DO BELIEVE that my RIGHTS trump your rules, and I act accordingly.... Hence, I do NOT fit the definition of a hypocrite at all, (which you so kindly posted to prove MY point) I am the exact opposite...-snip-

Again.... please do continue to post so that folks will have no doubt about that hypocrisy question.

 

[Axeanda45]

Geesh, maybe someday I can explain this so some of you can grasp it... here is yet ANOTHER attempt.

I own property (really!) and if you would be so kind as to read my sig line down below you may notice I added something to it just because of this topic.. (I added it a few months ago because of another of this type discussion)

One of my "rules" on my property is I do not allow pink panties...... I, as the property owner have the RIGHT to make any "rule" I want on my property, and I fully expect you to follow it... YET, If you do wear pink panties on my property, I have enough brains to know that all you have done is break one of my "rules"...... I may get very mad/angry/pissed off about you wearing those awful pink panties, (not really, it is just a "rule" to point out how STUPID I think your argument about this is) and have every RIGHT in the world to kick you off my property for wearing them, but I in no way shape or form even imagine that my "RIGHTS" have been trampled upon by you....
Do you know why? (obviously not because I have to keep trying to explain it to you) Because RIGHTS follow you no matter where you are and "rules" only apply at places you have control/ownership over!!!!

Now, is that really so hard to comprehend? Can you at least have enough honesty to admit that they are two different words with two different definitions?

 

[Axeanda45]

And you do not understand that my private property rules are the way I am exercising my private property rights just as carrying a gun is exercising your right to bear arms.
No, you are still confusing rules with rights, period..
What you fail to understand is my private property rights give me the power to restrict your ability to exercise your right to bear arms. And that if you do not obey my rules that restrict your ability to exercise your right to bear arms my private property right gives me the power to require you to leave and exercise your right to bear arms elsewhere. The confusion here is yours, not mine I have always said and reapeat it often yet you keep ignoring it that you can kick me off or prevent me from coming on your property any time for any reason... so, you are lying about my position 100%

The hypocrisy comes in when someone believes that their right to bear arms trumps the private property owner's right to not allow the bearing of arms. rules are not rights no matter how long you repeat the lie The real hypocrisy is shown when the person knows that they must sneak their gun into the property in order to get away with disobeying the property owner's no guns rule. You know... like you mentioned below.

You still dont understand that it is NOT hypocrisy to do that which you say you will do.... You yourself posted the definition of hypocrisy yet you havent read it or understood it...

and you just posted this gem:


Again.... please do continue to post so that folks will have no doubt about that hypocrisy question.

I challenge you to go back and take your blinders off and actually read what is written instead of what you think is written...

 

[Axeanda45]

Hypocrite - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

hyp·o·crite
noun \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\

: a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs

Please post anything that shows I act differently than I believe......

 

[BC1]

Although the act of trespass might have some weight in court... the use of deadly force would be governed by laws other than trespass laws.

Use of force (not deadly) is perfectly legal to remove a trespasser. I physically removed a PI who came to spy on my wife last summer. I asked him to leave. He was being stubborn (for lack of a better word) so I helped him along (for lack of a better word). He can call police if he wants. Good luck with that.

 

[Firefighterchen]

IF a property owner wishes me to leave or not even come onto his/her property, they have that right, no arguments from me, even if I dont like it I will leave when asked to do so. BUT!!!! (I like big buts?) at the same time my rights (yours too) dont disappear from existence while I am on said property....

Nobody said your Rights cease to exist. Chinese people in China have the Right to bear arms, but the government oppressed that Right.

As a property owner, I am the King of my land, therefore I can make the rules for anyone who comes onto MY land. So you still have the 2nd amendment Right? Yup, but you aren't allowed to exercise it on MY land. If you do, my Rights as a property owner can dispose of you as I see fit. There will not be asking, there will be a verbal requirement for the threat to leave, before physically forcing the threat to leave, before permanently ending the threat.

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[Bikenut]

Hypocrite - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

hyp·o·crite
noun \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\

: a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs

Please post anything that shows I act differently than I believe......

Ok...

You said this:

Originally posted by Axeanda45
One of my "rules" on my property is I do not allow pink panties...... I, as the property owner have the RIGHT to make any "rule" I want on my property, and I fully expect you to follow it...

bold added by me for emphasis...
I see... your private property rules trump my rights....

But then...you also said this:

Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
-snip-
how about this: You dont want me to have a gun, fine, I wont let you know I have one and we will both be happy and safe....

bold added by me for emphasis...

and this:

-snip

I 100% DO BELIEVE that my RIGHTS trump your rules, and I act accordingly....
-snip-

bold added by me for emphasis...
....but your rights trump my private property rules..... hmmmm..

And you also said:

Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
True freedom requires that we must allow others all the rights we enjoy.... whether we like/agree with it or not......

So will you "allow" (as if you have any power to "disallow") me to have, and exercise, my private property rights even if you don't agree with it? Or not?

On/in my property I have the right to make the rules.... irregardless of how many rights you have there is one you do not have and that is........

....you do not have any right to disobey my private property rules. And none of the rights that you have give you the right to disobey my private property rules.

And if you disobey my no guns rule by sneaking a gun in anyway thinking your right to bear arms trumps my right to ban guns on my property then you are trespassing. By the way.... if you believe so strongly that your right to bear arms trumps the property owner's right to have a rule that bans guns why are you sneaking your gun in concealed? Why wouldn't you just man up to your beliefs and wear it out in the open?

 

[Axeanda45]

Bikenut... you have failed miserably once again to quote anything that shows me to be a hypocrite..... Everything you quoted depends on the false premise OF YOURS that rules are rights.... Once you rule that out, all my posts say the opposite that YOU keep insisting that they do.

 

[Bikenut]

Bikenut... you have failed miserably once again to quote anything that shows me to be a hypocrite..... Everything you quoted depends on the false premise OF YOURS that rules are rights.... Once you rule that out, all my posts say the opposite that YOU keep insisting that they do.

I merely quoted your own words......

 

[Axeanda45]

Here is a scenario that is really going to bust your property "rights" bubbles......

Your "property" is in a town and there is a sidewalk out front that follows along the street through your and your neighbors houses/property..... In the majority of the states, I can open carry on the sidewalk in front of your house and you have absolutely nothing to say about it even if your "rules" prohibit it... Your property line is actually out along the MIDDLE of the street yet you cannot claim I am infringing on your rules, much less your "Rights" while I am standing out there.....

Deal with it. While you are doing that, think about how that "public accommodation" thingy some of you claim doesnt exist actually does........

 

[Axeanda45]

I merely quoted your own words......

Yes, you quoted words I wrote, good job... too bad they dont mean what you think they do...... You are still relying on your false logic to apply meaning to them that they dont have...

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
I merely quoted your own words......

Yes, you quoted words I wrote, good job... too bad they dont mean what you think they do...... You are still relying on your false logic to apply meaning to them that they dont have...

The words I quoted were yours, as you admit they were, and I'll simply sit back and let everyone who reads your words make up their own minds as to what they mean.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Here is a scenario that is really going to bust your property "rights" bubbles......

Your "property" is in a town and there is a sidewalk out front that follows along the street through your and your neighbors houses/property..... In the majority of the states, I can open carry on the sidewalk in front of your house and you have absolutely nothing to say about it even if your "rules" prohibit it... Your property line is actually out along the MIDDLE of the street yet you cannot claim I am infringing on your rules, much less your "Rights" while I am standing out there.....

Deal with it. While you are doing that, think about how that "public accommodation" thingy some of you claim doesnt exist actually does........

Maybe it is just chance, but none of my properties extend to the middle of the street. They end at the sidewalk, so you would be waking on public property.

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[Johnny Dollar]

The words I quoted were yours, as you admit they were, and I'll simply sit back and let everyone who reads your words make up their own minds as to what they mean.

Never try to teach a pig to sing