Benefits of carrying concealed and having real priorities.

[gundaddypv]

In Arizona, the worst that can happen is you can get cited for trespassing for carrying concealed in a business which forbids guns. (The exception is jail/prison and federal buildings.)

Therefore, I carry everywhere. There aren't any metal detectors. There aren't any guards frisking people. I keep it concealed and nobody is the wiser.

Worst case scenario: Gunman enters the business with the sole intention of killing as many people as possible. Either on accident or on purpose, I get shot. Though I likely had time to shoot back and stop the threat, I followed the law and became a victim. Now my wife is crying and is on anti-depressants. My kids are confused, angry and lost. My home goes back to the bank. My family has to move in with my insane mother-in-law in Los Angeles... and that's the just start of the down-hill slide.

Less worse scenario: The gunman comes in and blasts a couple of shoppers. I take cover and draw my weapon. I shoot the bastard dead. The cops come and arrest me. I'm cited and released within 24 hours. They keep my gun for a couple of weeks while the dust settles. $200 goes out of my bank account to pay the fine. The business bans me for life. I miss a day of work, but explain to my boss what happened. He writes me up, but I keep my job. I'm stressed, but alive. My family cries in relief. We recover and life goes on.

I carry for my family - not myself. If I die, whether in a gun battle or as a victim, I'm not going to care - because I'm dead. However, my family matters to me and I want to ensure they survive and are happy - as long as possible. Protecting myself is a great way to help ensure that. If I'm out with my family when this happens, then I will protect them as well.

In all honesty, protecting others besides myself and my family is lower on my priority list. I'd have to decide if and when it happened.

So, ******* businesses who think a sign will keep out insane gunmen, or the sane who want to protect their own lives at any cost!

 

[pisan1]

Your thinking is almost sound. I agree, family first, but you are second. If you die, who will protect your family the way you would?

 

[CharlesMorrison]

Here's another example for you..

You enter a store. The door has a "no guns" allowed sign. You blow it off and enter with your concealed weapon. I mean, right? Why not?
Then, as you are shopping, a nutbar comes in and starts blasting away. You grab cover for your wife and kids(?), draw your legally owned weapon and fire back.
In the ensuing chaos, you manage to bang out a few rounds and you hear the shooting stop.
Now, you break cover and move towards those who are screaming for help.
The gunman is down from a self inflicted shot to his head. You couldn't have hit him as the round entered his skull from under his chin, going straight out of the top of his head.
As the smoke clears, it becomes evident that two of the shoppers have been hit, one fatally.
The police arrive to sort things out and take you in for questioning.
During the course of the interview, police have determined that the fatally struck shopper was killed by one of your rounds.
Now tell me... What do you think will happen to you now?
You violated the owners wish by bringing your concealed weapon into his store. In the process, you drew down, fired off several rounds and struck and killed a patron.
Do you think things will end well for you now? Don't you think you'll be sued for wrongful death? Charged by the police for murder two? Manslaughter?
All because you decided to carry a gun into a store that didn't allow guns.

I am just curios as to how you would feel if the above hypothetical situation occurred.


Sent from behind Enemy Lines.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Why are you supporting stores that are anti gun?

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[Bikenut]

In Arizona, the worst that can happen is you can get cited for trespassing for carrying concealed in a business which forbids guns. (The exception is jail/prison and federal buildings.)

Therefore, I carry everywhere. There aren't any metal detectors. There aren't any guards frisking people. I keep it concealed and nobody is the wiser.

Worst case scenario: Gunman enters the business with the sole intention of killing as many people as possible. Either on accident or on purpose, I get shot. Though I likely had time to shoot back and stop the threat, I followed the law and became a victim. Now my wife is crying and is on anti-depressants. My kids are confused, angry and lost. My home goes back to the bank. My family has to move in with my insane mother-in-law in Los Angeles... and that's the just start of the down-hill slide.

Less worse scenario: The gunman comes in and blasts a couple of shoppers. I take cover and draw my weapon. I shoot the bastard dead. The cops come and arrest me. I'm cited and released within 24 hours. They keep my gun for a couple of weeks while the dust settles. $200 goes out of my bank account to pay the fine. The business bans me for life. I miss a day of work, but explain to my boss what happened. He writes me up, but I keep my job. I'm stressed, but alive. My family cries in relief. We recover and life goes on.

I carry for my family - not myself. If I die, whether in a gun battle or as a victim, I'm not going to care - because I'm dead. However, my family matters to me and I want to ensure they survive and are happy - as long as possible. Protecting myself is a great way to help ensure that. If I'm out with my family when this happens, then I will protect them as well.

In all honesty, protecting others besides myself and my family is lower on my priority list. I'd have to decide if and when it happened.

So, ******* businesses who think a sign will keep out insane gunmen, or the sane who want to protect their own lives at any cost!

If you feel so strongly about businesses who think a sign will keep out insane gunmen...... and you feel so strongly about protecting your family from insane gunmen who take advantage of businesses with no guns signs why did you go into that business in the first place?

The very best way to "win" a gun fight (protect yourself and family from being injured in a gun fight) is to not be there when the shooting starts so why would you intentionally put yourself, and your family, in harm's way of some insane criminal by shopping where you know guns are banned for law abiding folk? Are you secretly hoping to have a chance to whip out your concealed "element of surprise" and heroically save the day?

And why would you spend money at a store where guns are banned so the owner can make enough money to open another store... and ban guns there too? Or are you only interested in your own personal shopping convenience?

 

[Axeanda45]

Here's another example for you..

You enter a store. The door has a "no guns" allowed sign. You blow it off and enter with your concealed weapon. I mean, right? Why not?
Then, as you are shopping, a nutbar comes in and starts blasting away. You grab cover for your wife and kids(?), draw your legally owned weapon and fire back.
In the ensuing chaos, you manage to bang out a few rounds and you hear the shooting stop.
Now, you break cover and move towards those who are screaming for help.
The gunman is down from a self inflicted shot to his head. You couldn't have hit him as the round entered his skull from under his chin, going straight out of the top of his head.
As the smoke clears, it becomes evident that two of the shoppers have been hit, one fatally.
The police arrive to sort things out and take you in for questioning.
During the course of the interview, police have determined that the fatally struck shopper was killed by one of your rounds.
Now tell me... What do you think will happen to you now?
You violated the owners wish by bringing your concealed weapon into his store. In the process, you drew down, fired off several rounds and struck and killed a patron.
Do you think things will end well for you now? Don't you think you'll be sued for wrongful death? Charged by the police for murder two? Manslaughter?
All because you decided to carry a gun into a store that didn't allow guns.

I am just curios as to how you would feel if the above hypothetical situation occurred.


Sent from behind Enemy Lines.

Do you actually think the exact same thing cannot happen where guns ARE allowed??????

 

[BC1]

If you feel so strongly about businesses who think a sign will keep out insane gunmen...... and you feel so strongly about protecting your family from insane gunmen who take advantage of businesses with no guns signs why did you go into that business in the first place?

The very best way to "win" a gun fight (protect yourself and family from being injured in a gun fight) is to not be there when the shooting starts so why would you intentionally put yourself, and your family, in harm's way of some insane criminal by shopping where you know guns are banned for law abiding folk? Are you secretly hoping to have a chance to whip out your concealed "element of surprise" and heroically save the day?

And why would you spend money at a store where guns are banned so the owner can make enough money to open another store... and ban guns there too? Or are you only interested in your own personal shopping convenience?

I've only seen one "no guns" sign in my life... at HSBC Bank. I approached the door, saw the sign and told my wife we'll have to rob it at the drive-up because I can't enter with my gun. Sooooo cazy. HSBC = Hong Kong Shanghai Bank Corp. (Chinese). I took my money out of that foreign bank.
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I carry concealed and don't even look for signs. Since they have no weight of law in NYS the store can only ask me to leave. But I've never encountered a problem.

 

[gundaddypv]

First, I'm unlikely to save someone's life who isn't my family. I've never been in that situation, but it could happen. Second, in order to help ensure a clean shoot, you have to know what your backstop is. In case you miss, you must know where that bullet is going to end up. You own every bullet you shoot. Third, if it does turn out that way:

Wow, that would suck really hard. Here's the worst case scenario in that circumstance:
1. I'd go to jail for manslaughter.
2. The victims' families would sue my family into oblivion.
3. I'm still alive.
4. Life would suck, but we would rebuild once I served the (likely) years in jail.
5. I would likely never be as financially comfortable again as I am now, but I'm still alive.

It would suck, but my family would still have me in their life.

 

[gundaddypv]

If you feel so strongly about businesses who think a sign will keep out insane gunmen...... and you feel so strongly about protecting your family from insane gunmen who take advantage of businesses with no guns signs why did you go into that business in the first place?

The very best way to "win" a gun fight (protect yourself and family from being injured in a gun fight) is to not be there when the shooting starts so why would you intentionally put yourself, and your family, in harm's way of some insane criminal by shopping where you know guns are banned for law abiding folk? Are you secretly hoping to have a chance to whip out your concealed "element of surprise" and heroically save the day?

And why would you spend money at a store where guns are banned so the owner can make enough money to open another store... and ban guns there too? Or are you only interested in your own personal shopping convenience?

Wow... very good argument. I think you're right. Convenience is the answer. Dang, I feel like a heel now. Well said.

I will start weaning myself off of stores which ban firearms. I think this is the reason I've strictly carried concealed; just so I could carry everywhere. Instead, I should be carrying where the business supports our American rights. Dang... given me a lot to think about.

 

[jtg452]

In Arizona, the worst that can happen is you can get cited for trespassing for carrying concealed in a business which forbids guns. (The exception is jail/prison and federal buildings.)

Therefore, I carry everywhere. There aren't any metal detectors. There aren't any guards frisking people. I keep it concealed and nobody is the wiser.

Worst case scenario: Gunman enters the business with the sole intention of killing as many people as possible. Either on accident or on purpose, I get shot. Though I likely had time to shoot back and stop the threat, I followed the law and became a victim. Now my wife is crying and is on anti-depressants. My kids are confused, angry and lost. My home goes back to the bank. My family has to move in with my insane mother-in-law in Los Angeles... and that's the just start of the down-hill slide.

Less worse scenario: The gunman comes in and blasts a couple of shoppers. I take cover and draw my weapon. I shoot the bastard dead. The cops come and arrest me. I'm cited and released within 24 hours. They keep my gun for a couple of weeks while the dust settles. $200 goes out of my bank account to pay the fine. The business bans me for life. I miss a day of work, but explain to my boss what happened. He writes me up, but I keep my job. I'm stressed, but alive. My family cries in relief. We recover and life goes on.

I carry for my family - not myself. If I die, whether in a gun battle or as a victim, I'm not going to care - because I'm dead. However, my family matters to me and I want to ensure they survive and are happy - as long as possible. Protecting myself is a great way to help ensure that. If I'm out with my family when this happens, then I will protect them as well.

In all honesty, protecting others besides myself and my family is lower on my priority list. I'd have to decide if and when it happened.

So, ******* businesses who think a sign will keep out insane gunmen, or the sane who want to protect their own lives at any cost!

So what you are saying is that you believe that YOUR rights are more important than those of the business owner?

Excuse me if I disagree.

My hypocrisy doesn't go that far- and using the excuse that you are exercising your 'rights' to deny another their rights is hypocritical in an extreme.

You don't have to be there, so go someplace else if you don't like how they run their business.

 

[Axeanda45]

So what you are saying is that you believe that YOUR rights are more important than those of the business owner?

Excuse me if I disagree.

My hypocrisy doesn't go that far- and using the excuse that you are exercising your 'rights' to deny another their rights is hypocritical in an extreme.

You don't have to be there, so go someplace else if you don't like how they run their business.

Breaking someone elses RULES is not even CLOSE to infringing on their RIGHTS.... No matter how long and hard you stomp your feet and proclaim otherwise...... (or how often you repeat the lie that you and others like you claim to be the truth)

 

[Firefighterchen]

Breaking someone elses RULES is not even CLOSE to infringing on their RIGHTS.... No matter how long and hard you stomp your feet and proclaim otherwise...... (or how often you repeat the lie that you and others like you claim to be the truth)

Does that mean I can go into someone else's property indefinitely because the "trespassing rules" aren't in the Constitution?

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[Johnny Dollar]

I carry for my family - not myself. If I die, whether in a gun battle or as a victim, I'm not going to care - because I'm dead. However, my family matters to me and I want to ensure they survive and are happy - as long as possible. Protecting myself is a great way to help ensure that.

A good life insurance policy is a better and more realistic way of doing that. The odds are a million to one that you'll get killed in a gun fight and 1 to 1 that you even if you don't get killed in a gun fight you will die

 

[Nukeranger]

Practice so you don't shoot a Patron. The shop owner has a lot of rights but that doesn't mean you are breaking the law. A location that says no guns allowed limit law abiding citizens from carrying but the criminals don't comply and this makes it an easy target.

 

[Bikenut]

Practice so you don't shoot a Patron. The shop owner has a lot of rights but that doesn't mean you are breaking the law. A location that says no guns allowed limit law abiding citizens from carrying but the criminals don't comply and this makes it an easy target.

Please allow me to point out that just because sneaking a concealed gun onto/into private property that has a no guns policy/rule may not violate a "gun law" (in your particular State).... doing so still violates the "trespass law". Hence sneaking a gun onto/into private property that has a no guns policy/rule is still breaking the law. Just a different law but still a law.

Oh... and being "asked" to leave isn't the point where you broke the trespass law... that is the point where you got caught at it. Also you really aren't being "asked" to leave... you are being "told" to leave in a polite manner.. failure to do so will likely involve the police forcing you to leave. Perhaps even arresting you for..... breaking the trespass law.

 

[BC1]

Does that mean I can go into someone else's property indefinitely because the "trespassing rules" aren't in the Constitution?

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A lot of posters believe the second amendment is between you and them. It is not. It is between the government and them. On your property you have the final say. The constitution was never intended to allow persons to interfere with your pursuit of happiness on your own property. In fact it states the complete opposite. Before this becomes a second amendment issue a person must have the right to be there unarmed. They do not. No one can interfere with the pursuit of happiness of another individual. The same posters who believe you have no right to limit trespass on your property also endorse a castle doctrine. So I can't ask them to leave but I can shoot them? Misguided understanding of the law.

 

[kelcarry]

Do you actually think the exact same thing cannot happen where guns ARE allowed??????

You are kidding aren't you? So you break the law or do not break the law, the consequences for what happens are the same? Same people will die but you, the law breaker, will find out that "the same exact thing" will not be the case, both criminally and civilly.

 

[Axeanda45]

You are kidding aren't you? So you break the law or do not break the law, the consequences for what happens are the same? Same people will die but you, the law breaker, will find out that "the same exact thing" will not be the case, both criminally and civilly.

So WHY did you post at all if the same thing can happen????? (Exactly like I said it would) Do you have any point at all here? I point out the stupidity of a post and you come back with the same thing I said?


Here is a little hint: The post implied that if the person (in the scenario) was in a place where guns ARE allowed that the consequences would be different... I simply pointed out that they would be the same... (ok, with the extremely MINOR addition of a trespassing charge, oh my, might as well lay down and die as to get one of those....)

 

[Axeanda45]

STOP giving people a hard time for FOLLOWING the 2nd Amendment and having the GALL to be enough of a patriot to ignore UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS...

 

[Nukeranger]

Please allow me to point out that just because sneaking a concealed gun onto/into private property that has a no guns policy/rule may not violate a "gun law" (in your particular State).... doing so still violates the "trespass law". Hence sneaking a gun onto/into private property that has a no guns policy/rule is still breaking the law. Just a different law but still a law.

Oh... and being "asked" to leave isn't the point where you broke the trespass law... that is the point where you got caught at it. Also you really aren't being "asked" to leave... you are being "told" to leave in a polite manner.. failure to do so will likely involve the police forcing you to leave. Perhaps even arresting you for..... breaking the trespass law.

Thanks for your opinion but where I live concealed weapons aren't considered sneaking around so why even say that. Reading my state laws on trespassing reveals you are only trespassing if you retrieve a domestic animal and carry a weapon. I would never consider going shopping as trespassing and neither does my state. I think you missed my point but oh well.