What if someone grabs your firearm while you are Open Carrying?

[BluesStringer]

I suppose you would have to ask Mas. Perhaps he summarizes in his book.

I thought you said you read it, so I asked you. And I don't know Mas, you do, so whether or not I'm mistaken about you saying that you read his latest book, telling me to "ask Mas" is rather impertinent.

Has anyone on this thread actually reviewed each and every gun murder to find what happened? No. So how can anyone say this doesn't happen?

The question of the thread is, "What if someone grabs your firearm while you are Open Carrying?" Nobody said it "doesn't happen." The question had to do with weapon retention while OC'ing. It didn't mention murder at all. For all we know, the OP was concerned more with someone stealing an OC'ed weapon rather than shooting the owner of it after they got it. The two questions above are non-sequitur to the topic being discussed, BC.

It's called supposition, conjecture and hyperbole.

Well, on your part, yeah, that's very true. On the part of those who regularly OC and answered the question that was actually asked in the OP, they simply related their own personal, years-long experiences. While anecdotal in nature, it's still more documentation than you've offered for any of the assertions or opinions you've expressed.

And it's happening on both sides of the argument.

Not that I've seen. Q: What would you do if your OC'ed weapon was grabbed out of your OC holster? A: In my personal experience, that rarely, if ever, happens with non-LE OC'ers. If someone is relating their own personal experiences, there's no "supposition, conjecture and hyperbole" involved at all.

Now, all that "Freudian" crap and completely made-up notions of unacceptable "risk" associated with OC, that is indeed rife with "supposition, conjecture and hyperbole."

Until someone dissects the thousands of shootings every year, NO ONE on this site knows anything about the subject.

Over and over again, Bikenut challenged you and the other anti-OC crowd to document your assertions and opinions based on the decades-long example of widespread OC in Arizona, not murders, not murders in the whole nation, not taking into account where OC is rare or altogether illegal, just one state where it is a daily and ubiquitous occurrence. And yet all they get for furthering proper debate and/or honest discussion is the above. It is utterly non-responsive, BC. There is mountains of evidence that OC is not the bane to individual security that you anti-OC'ers go so far out of your way to make it out to be.

That is, unless they depend on the honesty and accuracy of the media outlets. As I said before, lack of evidence of God is the lamest argument that he doesn't exist. Such holds true in all things.

Well then, Luke should just close up shop and end all these pointless discussions that can never result in real knowledge, because in all things lack of evidence for a given position must be treated the same as the faithful view God and the atheists view the faithful! In other words, all arguments are circular, unresolvable, a waste of time and effort, and that's all true not because no evidence exists for the issues you were asked to document, but simply because you refuse to actually research the validity of the arguments you put forth!

Speaking of "the lamest argument...."

Blues

 

[BC1]

I thought you said you read it, so I asked you. And I don't know Mas, you do, so whether or not I'm mistaken about you saying that you read his latest book, telling me to "ask Mas" is rather impertinent.



The question of the thread is, "What if someone grabs your firearm while you are Open Carrying?" Nobody said it "doesn't happen." The question had to do with weapon retention while OC'ing. It didn't mention murder at all. For all we know, the OP was concerned more with someone stealing an OC'ed weapon rather than shooting the owner of it after they got it. The two questions above are non-sequitur to the topic being discussed, BC.



Well, on your part, yeah, that's very true. On the part of those who regularly OC and answered the question that was actually asked in the OP, they simply related their own personal, years-long experiences. While anecdotal in nature, it's still more documentation than you've offered for any of the assertions or opinions you've expressed.



Not that I've seen. Q: What would you do if your OC'ed weapon was grabbed out of your OC holster? A: In my personal experience, that rarely, if ever, happens with non-LE OC'ers. If someone is relating their own personal experiences, there's no "supposition, conjecture and hyperbole" involved at all.

Now, all that "Freudian" crap and completely made-up notions of unacceptable "risk" associated with OC, that is indeed rife with "supposition, conjecture and hyperbole."



Over and over again, Bikenut challenged you and the other anti-OC crowd to document your assertions and opinions based on the decades-long example of widespread OC in Arizona, not murders, not murders in the whole nation, not taking into account where OC is rare or altogether illegal, just one state where it is a daily and ubiquitous occurrence. And yet all they get for furthering proper debate and/or honest discussion is the above. It is utterly non-responsive, BC. There is mountains of evidence that OC is not the bane to individual security that you anti-OC'ers go so far out of your way to make it out to be.



Well then, Luke should just close up shop and end all these pointless discussions that can never result in real knowledge, because in all things lack of evidence for a given position must be treated the same as the faithful view God and the atheists view the faithful! In other words, all arguments are circular, unresolvable, a waste of time and effort, and that's all true not because no evidence exists for the issues you were asked to document, but simply because you refuse to actually research the validity of the arguments you put forth!

Speaking of "the lamest argument...."

Blues

Blues, let me straighten something out for you. Every time anyone expresses an opinion on USA Carry or any other gun site that they don't agree with OC they are attacked on every nuance and innuendo. The OC crowd gets pretty angry. It's absurd to attack a person based on their opinion. It's an opinion for Christ sake. I'm not documenting a damn thing. Not because it isn't there, but because it's a long, time consuming effort and there's no money in it. If one wants to make a statement that people who carry aren't in danger of a grab, as most OC supporters have posted on hundreds of threads, then they must do their homework and make sure the statement is 100% true. Burden of proof is on them. That means reviewing thousands of shootings per year over decades. This is just absurd to think the OC argument on grabs is correct when this occurs with CC as well. Even when someone provides an example everyone goes nuts on him. Thus... pointless.
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You read everything I wrote and nowhere did I say I read Mas' book. I said it was pretty good. That based on a cursory online review which is available to everyone who does their own research. You can read a good portion of the book without buying it at Amazon. My exact words were: But you can take-up this issue with a real pro-gun expert on the subject. "Gun Digest’s Open Carry vs. Concealed," by Massad Ayoob, published July 2012, addresses your issue at length. Mas discusses cases whereby a law-abiding OC was attacked for his gun. He does state it is very uncommon. It's a pretty good book and I think you can get a downloadable version for about $2. I trained yeas ago at LFI under Mas and this subject wasn't covered. I find him to among the best sources on these subjects.
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This thread went off-topic by the second page. And no one has taken the time to review the actual data to determine how common this is. Basically, everyone who makes a statement that gun grabs are or aren't an issue is stating an opinion. None of it is based in any fact. Neither your argument nor mine. Until someone actually reviews the data this entire discussion is moot. Perhaps we should ask the Brady folks or someone at the VPC to investigate the frequency. Do we really want to open that can of worms?
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Getting back to the OP, there are a number of defensive techniques when you feel someone's hand on your gun. First, the hand goes to the holster to hold the gun down. One technique involves a 1/2 spin away from the grabber with the elbow coming around to the head/face/throat of the grabber. Another is to come down hard on the forearm while holding the grabber's hand on the holster. This brings the grabber down to his knees whereby a hard opposite knee to the face is in order. Gun grab defense should be taught in all concealed carry and PP classes because it can happen to anyone, CC or OC. I believe a good holster should have some form of retention to slow the attempt long enough to react.

 

[BluesStringer]

Blues, let me straighten something out for you.

As always, I will listen intently to any offering of objective discussion on any subject, but drop that superiority bull crap by suggesting that you're qualified to straighten anything out for me. I'm already straight with my opinions on OC, gun-grabs, risk assessment and defensive retention techniques, and was for many years before I joined this forum or ever saw the pseudonym "BC1."

This superiority complex crap makes it much harder than it has to be. Kindly knock it off.

Every time anyone expresses an opinion on USA Carry or any other gun site that they don't agree with OC they are attacked on every nuance and innuendo.

Show me one single post in this or any other thread about comparing the prudence of OC to CC by any of the pro-OC posters here that could conceivably be labeled an "attack." I'll wait while you try to find such an "attack" by Bikenut, Firefighterchen, NavyLCDR, or me on this subject of which you claim to have been a victim of "attacks."

As far as "nuances" surrounding the subject, well, isn't that really what a discussion board does best, is provide a venue for folks to suss out the nuances of a given subject? Is it automatically assumed by you that if someone challenges you on a nuanced point of your opinions or assertions that they are "attacking" you personally? If so, you need a longer and more relaxing vacation from here than the one you just returned from. Unbunch the panties, BC. It's called discussion. Try it, you might actually like it.

As to people's reactions to "innuendo," there's a real easy fix for that: Stop with the brainless, chickensh!t innuendos! You're the one who made this into a schlong-measuring contest, BC, with your truly insulting quip about OC being Freudian in nature. If people react to that kind of insulting blather with a little frustration or anger in their written "tone," it's hardly unpredictable, and in fact, you even admitted that that was your "love" about saying such things, to garner a predictable response!

I love to bring this up because some of the posters will go batshit.

That's as much as admitting that you're just here trolling. So stop with the innuendo, the sense of superiority that drips from nearly everything you write, and the outright trolling, and you will see a whole lot less of what you incorrectly identify as "attacks" for your views on OC. Literally no one who says simply, "I prefer to CC, that's all" is ever "attacked" or so much as challenged by the people you claim "attack" CC'ers every time for the mere mention of preferring CC over OC.

The OC crowd gets pretty angry. It's absurd to attack a person based on their opinion. It's an opinion....

Just wondering, but do you consider me to be part of the "OC crowd?" If so, what would that conclusion be based on?

I'm not documenting a damn thing.

That's a well-established fact, BC. No one is accusing you of having documented a damned thing that you've asserted as being valid commentary on the issue of OC. To me, that would not be a fact that I would state with such seeming pride. Even opinions should have some foundational basis in order to be taken seriously by others. It would never occur to me to blatantly refuse to try to articulate that basis, even if I found the evidence of its validity to be elusive. I don't get this at all. It appears to be just blatant stubbornness and obstinance rather than anything having to do with an interesting exchange of ideas and opinions. It's just weird.

Not because it isn't there, but because it's a long, time consuming effort and there's no money in it.

Well, there's no money in masturbation either, but I'll bet you've got lots of time and effort into being well-accomplished at that. Your mental-masturbation skills are, however, woefully lacking.

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If one wants to make a statement that people who carry aren't in danger of a grab, as most OC supporters have posted on hundreds of threads, then they must do their homework and make sure the statement is 100% true. Burden of proof is on them.

Who ever said, or even hinted at the notion, that there is zero danger of having an OC weapon grabbed and that that would be true 100% of the time????

You're just getting so ridiculous here, BC. No one is attacking you. No one has said anything even approaching what you allude to above. No one has said that gun-grabs never happen, and therefore demanding that they document what they didn't say is an attempt to avoid the need for you to show some kind of evidence for the things you did say! But you ain't documenting a damned thing because there's no money in it? Pfffft. Get real BC. You were asked for cites/links for what you said, so the burden is on you by your own twisted logic as it applies to what no one said.

That means reviewing thousands of shootings per year over decades.

This thread is not about shootings! It's about weapon retention. You keep conflating two separate issues and going back and forth between them as though they are synonymous, and then get all indignant when someone asks to cite or link to information substantiating what you're saying. It's probably a good thing you didn't try to validate your opinions on the topic. It would've gone something like this:

Bikenut: Got cites and/or links to gun grabs from everyday folks in a number significant enough to even make for more than just a footnote in history?

BC1: I refuse to even attempt such a monumental task because for one thing, there's no money in it, and for another thing, that would mean reviewing thousands of shootings per year over decades.

Everybody else reading the thread: HUH?????

At least make a cursory attempt to follow the topic and/or posts that you're replying to, and make some sense based on those issues/ideas.

This is just absurd....

I could not agree more. At least we ended on an agreement. (Sorry, I have just lost interest in trying to reply to the rest. You have literally wore me out.)

Blues

 

[BC1]

As always, I will listen intently to any offering of objective discussion on any subject, but drop that superiority bull crap by suggesting that you're qualified to straighten anything out for me. I'm already straight with my opinions on OC, gun-grabs, risk assessment and defensive retention techniques, and was for many years before I joined this forum or ever saw the pseudonym "BC1."

This superiority complex crap makes it much harder than it has to be. Kindly knock it off.



Show me one single post in this or any other thread about comparing the prudence of OC to CC by any of the pro-OC posters here that could conceivably be labeled an "attack." I'll wait while you try to find such an "attack" by Bikenut, Firefighterchen, NavyLCDR, or me on this subject of which you claim to have been a victim of "attacks."

As far as "nuances" surrounding the subject, well, isn't that really what a discussion board does best, is provide a venue for folks to suss out the nuances of a given subject? Is it automatically assumed by you that if someone challenges you on a nuanced point of your opinions or assertions that they are "attacking" you personally? If so, you need a longer and more relaxing vacation from here than the one you just returned from. Unbunch the panties, BC. It's called discussion. Try it, you might actually like it.

As to people's reactions to "innuendo," there's a real easy fix for that: Stop with the brainless, chickensh!t innuendos! You're the one who made this into a schlong-measuring contest, BC, with your truly insulting quip about OC being Freudian in nature. If people react to that kind of insulting blather with a little frustration or anger in their written "tone," it's hardly unpredictable, and in fact, you even admitted that that was your "love" about saying such things, to garner a predictable response!



That's as much as admitting that you're just here trolling. So stop with the innuendo, the sense of superiority that drips from nearly everything you write, and the outright trolling, and you will see a whole lot less of what you incorrectly identify as "attacks" for your views on OC. Literally no one who says simply, "I prefer to CC, that's all" is ever "attacked" or so much as challenged by the people you claim "attack" CC'ers every time for the mere mention of preferring CC over OC.



Just wondering, but do you consider me to be part of the "OC crowd?" If so, what would that conclusion be based on?



That's a well-established fact, BC. No one is accusing you of having documented a damned thing that you've asserted as being valid commentary on the issue of OC. To me, that would not be a fact that I would state with such seeming pride. Even opinions should have some foundational basis in order to be taken seriously by others. It would never occur to me to blatantly refuse to try to articulate that basis, even if I found the evidence of its validity to be elusive. I don't get this at all. It appears to be just blatant stubbornness and obstinance rather than anything having to do with an interesting exchange of ideas and opinions. It's just weird.

Well, there's no money in masturbation either, but I'll bet you've got lots of time and effort into being well-accomplished at that. Your mental-masturbation skills are, however, woefully lacking.

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Who ever said, or even hinted at the notion, that there is zero danger of having an OC weapon grabbed and that that would be true 100% of the time????

You're just getting so ridiculous here, BC. No one is attacking you. No one has said anything even approaching what you allude to above. No one has said that gun-grabs never happen, and therefore demanding that they document what they didn't say is an attempt to avoid the need for you to show some kind of evidence for the things you did say! But you ain't documenting a damned thing because there's no money in it? Pfffft. Get real BC. You were asked for cites/links for what you said, so the burden is on you by your own twisted logic as it applies to what no one said.



This thread is not about shootings! It's about weapon retention. You keep conflating two separate issues and going back and forth between them as though they are synonymous, and then get all indignant when someone asks to cite or link to information substantiating what you're saying. It's probably a good thing you didn't try to validate your opinions on the topic. It would've gone something like this:

Bikenut: Got cites and/or links to gun grabs from everyday folks in a number significant enough to even make for more than just a footnote in history?

BC1: I refuse to even attempt such a monumental task because for one thing, there's no money in it, and for another thing, that would mean reviewing thousands of shootings per year over decades.

Everybody else reading the thread: HUH?????

At least make a cursory attempt to follow the topic and/or posts that you're replying to, and make some sense based on those issues/ideas.



I could not agree more. At least we ended on an agreement. (Sorry, I have just lost interest in trying to reply to the rest. You have literally wore me out.)

Blues

I started to read the above post but couldn't get far. It's an obtuse intentionally argumentative ramble intended to take a cloaked shot at making someone look foolish. One could expound on a myriad of reasons why. But taking each point and expounding in detail is too anal and retentive for me. Don't have enough time to read it. Don't think I care enough about it anyway. That kind of response is wound a little too tight for me. I took a month to reflect and turned over a new leaf. I let a lot go now. You win. There. That was easy. Carry on.

 

[BluesStringer]

I started to read the above post but couldn't get far. It's an obtuse intentionally argumentative ramble intended to take a cloaked shot at making someone look foolish. One could expound on a myriad of reasons why. But taking each point and expounding in detail is too anal and retentive for me. Don't have enough time to read it. Don't think I care enough about it anyway. That kind of response is wound a little too tight for me. I took a month to reflect and turned over a new leaf. I let a lot go now. You win. There. That was easy. Carry on.

Translation: "Uh...I got nuthin' and my ego is much too fragile to acknowledge any valid challenges to my utter awesomeness."

I haven't the inclination nor the power to make a stranger a thousand miles away look foolish. Only they can do that to themselves. I only respond to what is written, BC. It is your umm...burden to write in such a way as to preclude any valid implication that you're being foolish. And I never cloak my shots, BC. If I thought you a fool, I'd say it loud and clear (you'll notice I did not just take the opportunity to call you a fool or foolish). And in the context of this thread and the couple of exchanges we've had in it, you saying that I'm being obtuse and intentionally argumentative is ironically hilarious. What was the topic again, grabbing guns from OC'ers or studying stats of all shootings over decades? Keep those jokes comin' BC. You're better at being unintentionally humorous than discussing the topic at hand with any aplomb, focus or substantiation for your positions.

Blues

 

[Johnny Dollar]

The topic is grabbing an open carrier’s gun. It my not happen often but I don’t believe it’s never happened for a second.

JMO but if you choose to open carry you should probably use a retention holster and you should learn and practice some retention techniques. Concealed carry you might could skip the retention holster.

I sure as Hell wouldn't want to open carry in a crowd.

 

[Bikenut]

The topic is grabbing an open carrier’s gun. It my not happen often but I don’t believe it’s never happened for a second.

JMO but if you choose to open carry you should probably use a retention holster and you should learn and practice some retention techniques. Concealed carry you might could skip the retention holster.

I sure as Hell wouldn't want to open carry in a crowd.

Perhaps there is some confusion.... I don't recall anyone saying that a gun grab from an open carrier has never happened. I know I've NOT said that a gun grab from an open carrier has never happened and will never happen. I've only asked for cites and/or links to incidents where it has happened in a number large enough to be more than a statistical rarity... and I've mentioned that since open carry has been going on in Arizona for decades it should be easy to find evidence of those incidents to support the scary argument that open carry will result in a gun grab. So far none of the folks who have presented that scary argument have stepped forward with cites and/or links to any proof of their assertion.

Also ... seems to me that while we are discussing gun grabs from open carriers and then concealed carry gets mixed in... which is fine... yet it would make sense that if one is to take precautions to not have their open carry gun grabbed wouldn't it make sense to use a retention holster for concealed carry also? After all a garment that conceals the gun from view doesn't do anything to retain the gun in the holster... and... since a gun grab from an open carrier is possible isn't a gun grab from a concealed carrier also possible?

By the way... I believe in using holsters with active retention systems and I wholeheartedly agree that knowing and practicing retention techniques is wise regardless of what manner of carry is used.

 

[Johnny Dollar]

I live in a town where I could throw a rock from my front porch in any direction and it would almost literally land out side the town limit; most of the time I don’t even bother carrying a gun so I’m not what you would call a seasoned veteran. If I were to open carry the rest of the town would think I’d lost my mind.

I think open carry is enough of a statistical rarity that if every one that did it had their gun grabbed the number would still be pretty low. I’ve been to Arizona twice and even there I think I only saw one guy open carry. However I did mention the guy on THR who said it happened to him.

I don’t think a retention holster would be as necessary for concealed carry because you aren’t going to grab what you don’t know is there.

 

[Bikenut]

I live in a town where I could throw a rock from my front porch in any direction and it would almost literally land out side the town limit; most of the time I don’t even bother carrying a gun so I’m not what you would call a seasoned veteran. If I were to open carry the rest of the town would think I’d lost my mind.

I think open carry is enough of a statistical rarity that if every one that did it had their gun grabbed the number would still be pretty low. I’ve been to Arizona twice and even there I think I only saw one guy open carry. However I did mention the guy on THR who said it happened to him.

I don’t think a retention holster would be as necessary for concealed carry because you aren’t going to grab what you don’t know is there.

Food for thought....

There seems to be a common misconception that a cover garment is Harry Potter's invisibility cloak and no one will ever know there is a gun under there yet...

concealed carry can "print" letting the cat out of the bag...

sometimes a concealed gun is inadvertently exposed while reaching for wheaties on the top shelf...

and sometimes just bumping into a person "in a crowd" will reveal they are carrying concealed...

so while less folks know a person is carrying concealed than those who know a person is carrying openly let us not fall for the notion that a concealed gun can't be grabbed. And that would make considering using a holster with active retention valid for concealed carry also.

After all.... the argument has been made, and I agree, that a gun grab from an open carrier can happen (actually there are very rare instances where it has happened) so let us please not think that a gun grab from a concealed carrier can't happen just because there is a shirt hiding the gun.

And way back when I first started open carrying lots of folks thought I was a bit "odd"... yet now that open carry has become largely accepted some of those same folks express admiration because I had the balls to stand by my beliefs... and they thank me for helping cause positive change for the right to bear arms. I've even had many strangers walk up and shake my hand thanking me for supporting the 2nd Amendment.

Now... a general comment not directed at anyone in particular... but I think is very important...

I personally and honestly do not care how a person decides to carry.... I don't even care what their personal reasons are. What I do care about is when folks push their personal reasons as if they are fact and when questioned about it refuse to prove what they said is fact. I care about misinformation, myths, and personal unsubstantiated fears, being put forth as actual fact on internet forums where people new to carrying or sitting on the fence read that stuff and base their decisions on all that BS instead of actual facts. I care about misinformation, myths, and personal unsubstantiated fears, being put forth as actual fact on internet forums by gun owners themselves where anti gunners can take it and use it as ammunition to further their gun control agenda... and show that it was gun owners themselves who were siding with the anti gunners.

 

[Johnny Dollar]

And way back when I first started open carrying lots of folks thought I was a bit "odd"... yet now that open carry has become largely accepted some of those same folks express admiration because I had the balls to stand by my beliefs... and they thank me for helping cause positive change for the right to bear arms. I've even had many strangers walk up and shake my hand thanking me for supporting the 2nd Amendment.

Again, town of around 300 fifty of whom are my family I don't even feel the need to carry unless I'm going to Weatherford why in the Hell would I bother to open carry? If I started walking around here with a gun on my hip they'd think I'd lost my mind.

As for supporting the second Ammendment I'll bet there are 200 or so pick ups in this town and 175 of them have NRA stickers in the back window, I think we're good

 

[Bikenut]

Again, town of around 300 fifty of whom are my family I don't even feel the need to carry unless I'm going to Weatherford why in the Hell would I bother to open carry? If I started walking around here with a gun on my hip they'd think I'd lost my mind.

As for supporting the second Ammendment I'll bet there are 200 or so pick ups in this town and 175 of them have NRA stickers in the back window, I think we're good

Again... your reasons for carrying, or not carrying, are your own and are valid for you. I respect that.

More food for thought....

But one of the reasons I open carry is to make the statement that "we the people" have the right to bear arms and concealed carry under the permission of a permit granted by the government that is in control of permits ISN'T the right to bear arms at all but is a government controlled privilege that "shall not be infringed" was supposed to prevent.

Open carry helps educate the public that there actually is a "right" and not just the "privilege".... and I personally consider that a very important thing to do. Important enough to realize that my beliefs about the right to bear arms are much more important than being afraid of what other people might think of me.

But that is just me and I do not expect you or anyone else to consider my reason for open carry important enough for you, or them, to do it also.

And it appears you have edited your post before I quoted you..........

 

[Johnny Dollar]

And it appears you have edited your post before I quoted you..........

I think this was all I added

If I started walking around here with a gun on my hip they'd think I'd lost my mind.


And they would. I own one handgun, a J frame, and it fits in my pocket. What am I going to do strap up and walk down to the Grocery Store or the car wash? After that I’m runnin’ thin on options. I suppose I could walk around, and I do mean around, town but that would take 15 minutes tops.

If you want to make a statement go ahead, I don’t see the need.

 

[CharlesMorrison]

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[Bikenut]

I think this was all I added

If I started walking around here with a gun on my hip they'd think I'd lost my mind.


And they would. I own one handgun, a J frame, and it fits in my pocket. What am I going to do strap up and walk down to the Grocery Store or the car wash? After that I’m runnin’ thin on options. I suppose I could walk around, and I do mean around, town but that would take 15 minutes tops.

If you want to make a statement go ahead, I don’t see the need.

I do see a need to make a statement because it is my opinion that the decades of people hiding their guns in fear that the anti gunners would go after their guns is what enabled the anti gunners to............ go after the guns with ever increasing gun control simply because guns were hidden in shame and fear. Fear that if people saw guns they would want more gun control and the shame that if a person wore a gun in plain sight then people would think they had lost their mind.

It isn't about what you are "supposed to do" because whether or not you want to let what other people might think of you stop you from exercising the right to bear arms is for you to decide....not me or anyone else.

Oh.... and I ordinarily open carry a Glock 26 but when my wife decides to open carry her Smith J frame I open carry my Smith J frame just so we match. No one has yet said anything about carrying such "small" guns.

edited to add the words "to make a statement" for clarity.

 

[whodat2710]

For civilians I see no reason to open carry in public. I don't have a clue what I would do other then start yelling. If someone is taking an a gun off another person like that I think the outcome for some isn't going to be good because obviously they are not rational and mean ill intent upon others.

Cops are civilians. Wake up,

 

[BluesStringer]

Again, town of around 300 fifty of whom are my family I don't even feel the need to carry unless I'm going to Weatherford why in the Hell would I bother to open carry? If I started walking around here with a gun on my hip they'd think I'd lost my mind.

Are you responding with the same incessant defensiveness while under the utter delusion that anyone here is asking you to OC, or cares one wit whether or not you do?

Isn't it odd that of the two people making the most insulting judgments about OC'ers (OC is Freudian, showing your ass, daring someone to take your gun from you), are now both on record as saying that they don't even CC very often.

Your guys' psycho-babble is as uninformed as your advice on weapons retention.

Blues

 

[wolf_fire]

I live in a town where I could throw a rock from my front porch in any direction and it would almost literally land out side the town limit; most of the time I don’t even bother carrying a gun so I’m not what you would call a seasoned veteran. If I were to open carry the rest of the town would think I’d lost my mind.

I think open carry is enough of a statistical rarity that if every one that did it had their gun grabbed the number would still be pretty low. I’ve been to Arizona twice and even there I think I only saw one guy open carry. However I did mention the guy on THR who said it happened to him.

I don’t think a retention holster would be as necessary for concealed carry because you aren’t going to grab what you don’t know is there.

I'm not going to get in your fight against OC'ers as I don't really care about people's opinions unless they back it up with substance.

However, I CC and OC rarely. I have a retention holster. Why? In case someone would try to get it from me before I had time to draw. You use the argument that people will try to take your gun. Well, people can try to take a gun they know about regardless how you were initially carrying.

 

[Johnny Dollar]

However, I CC and OC rarely. I have a retention holster. Why? In case someone would try to get it from me before I had time to draw. You use the argument that people will try to take your gun. Well, people can try to take a gun they know about regardless how you were initially carrying.

Truth

 

[CharlesMorrison]

Truth

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