golddigger14s
SFC At Fort Lewis, WA
Let the beat go on:
Open carry confrontations
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UrbanArmed
New member
Open carry... conceal carry... Just carry.
gejoslin
Illegitimi non carborundu
SouthernBoy
New member
Yep, yep, yep. Amen to that.
BuddhaKat
The Big Happy Fat Kat
I've been open carrying for over a year and a half now and I haven't had any serious problems. The only issue I had was at the food court of a local shopping mall. I didn't see the "No Weapons Allowed" rule buried in the list of rules posted at the entrance. My bad on that. Had I spotted it I wouldn't have brought it in. They were nice and polite. No issues. The other event was when I wanted to go into a casino restaurant. I went in with my gun showing and asked the gal at the front if it would be a problem. She called security to check, they said no. No sign posted but I still didn't make a fuss. They didn't either.
Recently I ran into an old lady in the tire store that didn't freak out but said she didn't like guns. By the time we got done talking I hadn't changed her mind about guns, but she was completely at ease with being around me and mine.
Most people that are in sight of my exposed gun see it. I see their eyes look down. We pass like two ships in the night. People frequently talk to me about it though. I take the opportunity to talk about the law, armed law abiding citizens, and the right/need to defend themselves. I'd like to think that I've convinced a fair share to think about carrying. I have no doubt I've convinced a few. I've educated more than I can count.
Every cop I've encountered was an ardent supporter of citizens carrying. All liked that I was open carrying.
When I first started open carrying I was sure I would terrify people everywhere I went. Not one single instance of that has occurred. Whenever I do get a chance to talk to folks, 99.999% support my carrying. Many have told me they actually feel safer knowing there's a good guy with a gun around. We've had a lot of instances around here lately so people like having an OFWG around.
So the moral of the story is this, where I thought people would be scared, they are overwhelmingly NOT. Excepting the debate between OC vs. CC, there hasn't been a downside at all. It's all good!
Recently I ran into an old lady in the tire store that didn't freak out but said she didn't like guns. By the time we got done talking I hadn't changed her mind about guns, but she was completely at ease with being around me and mine.
Most people that are in sight of my exposed gun see it. I see their eyes look down. We pass like two ships in the night. People frequently talk to me about it though. I take the opportunity to talk about the law, armed law abiding citizens, and the right/need to defend themselves. I'd like to think that I've convinced a fair share to think about carrying. I have no doubt I've convinced a few. I've educated more than I can count.
Every cop I've encountered was an ardent supporter of citizens carrying. All liked that I was open carrying.
When I first started open carrying I was sure I would terrify people everywhere I went. Not one single instance of that has occurred. Whenever I do get a chance to talk to folks, 99.999% support my carrying. Many have told me they actually feel safer knowing there's a good guy with a gun around. We've had a lot of instances around here lately so people like having an OFWG around.
So the moral of the story is this, where I thought people would be scared, they are overwhelmingly NOT. Excepting the debate between OC vs. CC, there hasn't been a downside at all. It's all good!
SouthernBoy
New member
No attempts to date after nearly six years of carrying openly on a regular, daily basis. There have been a few times when I moved or shifted my position because someone was too close and my perception was such that a move was in my better interests. This comes with good situational awareness and being aware of your surroundings (something I use to preach to my daughters until they probably got tired of hearing it).
In my state, open carry is the normal mode of carrying a sidearm (read that as standard or default) because no permit is required to carry in this manner. It really is a no-brainer here.
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Bikenut
Guest
Even though I practice retention methods and use a holster with active retention features I'm not worried about a perp trying to steal my sidearm simply because incidents of gun grabs from civilian OC'ers is extremely rare. And a simple google search will show just how rare they are especially when the few that have happened are compared to the thousands of hours folks have been open carrying in just Arizona for decades. Let me repeat... people have been open carrying in Arizona for decades yet incidents of gun grabs from OC'ers are extremely scarce.
Bear in mind that if perps were snatching OC'ers guns the media would have a field day reporting it and demanding more gun control to stop it....
My gun was taken from me twice yesterday! Oh, wait... This isn't April fools day. never mind.
As was mentioned. It is so rare as to nearly be never. Situation awareness is the key to all your carry needs. I have never felt I have been in anything close to a threatening position.
As was mentioned. It is so rare as to nearly be never. Situation awareness is the key to all your carry needs. I have never felt I have been in anything close to a threatening position.
Riverkilt
New member
Yesterday was out on the Navajo reservation at a swap meet. A huge swap meet. Lots of people. One of the vendors was a young Navajo guy and he was wearing a big six gun in western holster and belt rig. Don't recall what he was selling since I was so fascinated, and pleased, that he was open carrying on the rez. And with some style and class.
BC1
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How many LEO have been shot with their own weapon. In fact it happened again last week. Google it. The results are surprising.
BuddhaKat
The Big Happy Fat Kat
I haven't ever had anyone make a grab for my gun, but I'm also situationally aware too. It's all part of the responsibility of carrying a gun in public, open or concealed. I also use a retention holster. Besides its retention capability I like that it completely covers the trigger. Safer all the way around.
golddigger14s
SFC At Fort Lewis, WA
Uh, in over three years...........never, and never.
Boy, I just love it when people grasping at straws go for the LEO gun grab excuse. I don't go running around apprehending people, and get up close and personal with someone hopped up on crack and whatever. Comparing a LAC, and a LEO is like comparing lead and gold.
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Bikenut
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Presenting LEO gun grabs/shootings as an implication that civilian open carriers will have their guns taken by bad guys and then be shot by their own guns is a false premise... a red herring ... an apples vs oranges comparison because....
Law enforcement officers actively seek out bad guys and have a duty to apprehend first/shoot second so it is no surprise that there are many incidents where the officer has his gun taken/wrestled away by the bad guy who then proceeds to shoot that officer with his own gun.
While the citizen who open carries does NOT seek out bad people nor has any duty to apprehend first/shoot second but only has a duty to defend their life from an attacking bad guy... not fool around giving the bad guy a chance to grab their gun by trying to arrest him.
Not to mention that suggesting doing a google search to show how many cops get shot by their own gun implies that citizen open carriers will suffer the same fate ignores the simple fact that a google search for open carriers shot with their own gun brings up how astonishingly rare these incidents involving citizens who open carry are.
Despite continued attempts by many folks to demean, diminish, and ridicule open carry by saying or implying that open carry will cause a person to be targeted by/have their gun taken by/be shot first by bad guys..... there have been very few incidents where the citizen open carrier suffered any of those fear mongering open carry myths. Very few! And those few incidents pale into statistical insignificance when compared to the fact that a great many folks have been open carrying in just Arizona for decades and yet all that can be pointed at is the extremely few and rare incidents in the whole country... the entire U.S.! where bad guys went after an open carriers gun.
To state the obvious.... if bad guys were targeting open carriers and taking their guns and shooting them first or shooting them with their own guns... the anti gun faction would point to it as yet another reason to ban guns and the media would cover each and every story over and over and over harping on it every news cycle. But when it comes to media coverage of citizen open carriers having their guns taken/being shot first/being shot with their own gun the only thing heard is the deafening sound of......... crickets.... because it isn't happening in any amount to be newsworthy.
BC1
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The point, to those who believe this cannot happen, is that the behavior of anyone bad enough to take the LEO weapon and shoot him cannot be predicted. Now the premise that the civilian will not "fool around" with a bad guy to the extent his gun wouldn't be taken is shaky. The good guy rarely has a choice. The same perp who takes the LEO gun is shopping where you shop. And his behavior cannot be predited under any circumstance. We also can't rely on a google search to determine how often any crime or variation of such occurs. We don't actually know how often this may have occured.
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The presence of the gun is, to me anyway, not a deterrent. Last summer (I wrote about this) a PI came snooping around my property pursuant to an auto accident suit by my wife. He was carrying concealed but the gun was clearly printing under a light shirt. He came under false pretenses trying to get info. Now had he been up-front I would have gladly talked to him, but he lied to me, on my own property, while armed. That I will not allow. A video camera in his car was pointed directly at the house. The presence of that gun meant NOTHING to me. I kicked his ass all the way back to his car and forcibly put him inside. I explained if he entered my property again while armed he would be treated as an armed criminal. Had he attempted to draw that heater during this incident he would have been neutralized on the spot. He never returned. Despite his video camera capturing the incident, no police were called by him. Your OC gun means absolutely nothing to me and I'm not nuts or tweeked-out. It doesn't deter me from smacking you should you overstep your bounds.
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We also can't say what the press or anti-gun crowd would do if this were true. Would have, could have and should have are the failure triplets. We never rely on a hypothetical analysis. The purpose of my post is not to demean, diminish or ridicule anyone. As all my posts on this subject have stated, I support OC where it is legal, should anyone choose to do so. Me? I wouldn't OC purely because I live my life very close to the vest. I don't want anyone's attention. This thread titled "Open Carry Confrontations" has nearly 300 posts. How many instances on this thread alone exist where honest citizens have been hassled because they OC. BTW, where's the CC confrontations thread?
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Perhaps it's because I grew up in what is now the most dangerous city in the Northeast. Perhaps it's because I've seen some pretty bad stuff happen over my life. And perhaps is because the sight of someone's gun isn't deterring me from anything if they're crossing that very thin line. And it doesn't take much for me to act. OC. CC. Doesn't matter to me. Just don't be lead into a false sense of security that the mere presence of the gun will prevent you from being victimized.
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Bikenut
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Well... I was unaware that I was responding to the biggest bad ass ever to post about his prowess on an internet forum.
Since you presented LEO gun grabs as an implication that the same thing will happen to OC'ers this whole thing can easily be resolved. Please provide cites and/or links to an equal number of gun grabs against OC'ers that have been done to LEO's. Please feel free to use the entire nation as a data base.
Part of my response is above in blue.
Edited to include a quote in the interest of clarity.
BC1
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You misread my post. Didn't say the same WILL happen to those who OC. The point was that no one can predict the actions of a tweeked-out, mentally unstable criminal element. Read my prior posts in this thread. I support OC. Take a walk where I grew up and see if you can get one block with your OC? Better yet, since you're from Michigan try a ghetto section of downtown Detroit at 1:00 AM. Let us know how that works-out for you.
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Regarding a Google query, the presence of a story on a news site is substantial, but the lack of presence of an abundance of articles does not prove something doesn't occur. You can't prove a negative via lack of substance. Do your own homework and don't be insulting. It shows emotional immaturity. Rest assured your gun is no deterrent to many people. It's not about being a badass, it's about being righteous.
tricolordad
Banned
Quit before he destroys you BC1...lol the LEO excuse lmao
