Article Warns of Violent Response To Pending Gun Control Lefislation

I agree with the above poster who mentioned the news will report you as a 'gun nut' and the world will move on. That is exactly what will happen. Everybody keeps saying how the police and military will not join in on a gun grab. This is based on the false premise that those folks will actually know the truth in what is taking place. You see, the press is complicit is all of this and their reporting will only show that a "lunatic who was plotting this or that was killed after a standoff."

There will be no "1,2,3...go get em!!!" for the gun grab. These people are insidious and intelligent. They have been planning this **** for decades. they finally have enough voters beholden to them to pass just about anything which guarantees their entitlements continue. Do you honestly think some jamoke who is 4th generation welfare recipient, who has never worked and never will, gives a crap whether some redneck in TN or KY gets to keep his hunting rifle?
 
they just chip away at our rights bit by bit perhaps state by state county by county because that way they can do it and get away with it
 
The axiom of conflict I prefer to follow is, it's not my goal to die for what I believe in, it's to make my adversaries die for what they believe in. And that's what is missing from these discussions really. Everyone is OK with volunteering to die for the cause, but many of us seem to forget that if it's important enough to die for, it's probably important enough to kill for. And if it's not, then what exactly is the point of dying for it?

I'm a simple Patriot. I have no interest in being a martyr. If I must fight, I will, but it will be a fight to win, not to lose.

Blues


There have been times Blues when your ideas concerned me and I was a little sckeptical. I too have always said they will take my guns from my cold dead hands, having not said what would happen prior to that action.
I recognized the hand writting on the wall and prepped long before the public cited the need to prepare and the current up tick in weapon and ammo limits and prices don't really concern me, nor do the necessary survival supplies that one would need.
This post however gives me the knowledge that I am not alone in my thinking. My contacts locally give me incite to what is happening and possibly a heads up if and when it comes down.
I had an old Gunney tell that valor often required you to live to fight another.
Thanks Blues
 
I agree with the above poster who mentioned the news will report you as a 'gun nut' and the world will move on. That is exactly what will happen. Everybody keeps saying how the police and military will not join in on a gun grab. This is based on the false premise that those folks will actually know the truth in what is taking place. You see, the press is complicit is all of this and their reporting will only show that a "lunatic who was plotting this or that was killed after a standoff."

There will be no "1,2,3...go get em!!!" for the gun grab. These people are insidious and intelligent. They have been planning this **** for decades. they finally have enough voters beholden to them to pass just about anything which guarantees their entitlements continue. Do you honestly think some jamoke who is 4th generation welfare recipient, who has never worked and never will, gives a crap whether some redneck in TN or KY gets to keep his hunting rifle?

Probably not, but it's not just the potential for a gun-grab that could spark widespread violence. I don't want it no matter what the source of ignition, in fact, I pray many times a day that such a tsunami of violence doesn't take over this nation, but those same 4th generation welfare eaters will continue to seek sustenance even if the economy does what I, and many others, think is imminent; a total collapse. The collapse I envision takes the government out of the majority of the chaos. The dollar ain't worth crap, nobody's earning wages, inflation goes into hyper-drive, grocery store shelves empty and don't get replenished, water treatment goes away, most communication networks go away, government employees bail to go home and do what they can to take care of their families, same with many police and military personnel, and for much of the country, small enclaves, maybe even down to the neighborhood level, either form and defend themselves as communities, or each individual household perishes at the hands of the eaters who have never been trained how to cooperate with others for survival.

See, I am not so sure these government types are so smart. They've created an economic condition much worse than 1918 or so Weimar Republic Germany. The way FRNs are being printed out of thin air, and Bernanke seemingly planning on continuing indefinitely at around $85 billion per month, hyperinflation is a given at some point. Why we aren't already there is anybody's guess. There's nothing but digital facsimiles of FRNs propping this economy up right now. So, if the economy does what mathematical certainties say it will do eventually, and no revenue from We, The People is being sent to DC, how does the government continue to run? How do they martial the resources to wage controlling crackdowns on the masses? Or feed them so they'll calm down?

In short, it's not just what the government might do to We, The People, what they can't do to stop the chaos may be more significant.

Blues
 
The axiom of conflict I prefer to follow is, it's not my goal to die for what I believe in, it's to make my adversaries die for what they believe in. And that's what is missing from these discussions really. Everyone is OK with volunteering to die for the cause, but many of us seem to forget that if it's important enough to die for, it's probably important enough to kill for. And if it's not, then what exactly is the point of dying for it?

I'm a simple Patriot. I have no interest in being a martyr. If I must fight, I will, but it will be a fight to win, not to lose.

Blues
Patton's Philosophy. You don't die for your ideals, you make the other guy die for his.
 
That's among the most ridiculous ideas I have heard in a loooonnnnggg time. And I'm 76!

So did you come to that conclusion before or after reading the thread he linked for you? Or did you just decide to ignore it and implement your preconceived conclusion? Or, if you did read the thread and likewise read some of the links, maybe you're just senile? LOL That last one was just kiddin'. But really, history doesn't lie, and there's some pretty ugly history of the NRA exposed in that thread. I wish it wasn't true, but wishin' won't get me any closer to getting my rights back than sending checks to the NRA will, so I don't waste time doing either.

Blues
 
Patton's Philosophy. You don't die for your ideals, you make the other guy die for his.

Yeah, I had the concept right, if not the source or the exact quotation. Not surprised it was Patton's philosophy. Of all the great generals in our history, he's the one I would choose to serve under if I had the choice. I don't mind tough and cantankerous when a tough and cantankerous military leader is myopic in his pursuit of winning.

Thanks for the source and the quote. I'll have it right next time.

Blues
 
It's better than being dead with a gun in my hand and my family not having me around.

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Then give them to me and I will distribute them amongst people willing to die so their kids can live free. I find the thought of dying for this country's freedom more comforting than rocking my daughter to sleep in some prison camp.
 
That's among the most ridiculous ideas I have heard in a loooonnnnggg time. And I'm 76!

It's all blues aka bubbles talking about stuff that happened as far as 50 years back when NOBODY was allowed to carry and you had to give a little to get a little. Back in the permit for everything days. Times have changed, and so has the NRA. It's called political strategy, and we, the NRA have had some good ones because constitutional carry exists again! What we sacrificed then for a short period has been regained tenfold. We are now an armed people.
 
they just chip away at our rights bit by bit perhaps state by state county by county because that way they can do it and get away with it

Yep, creeping incrementalism is their preferred tactic and it has been working quite well, too. They continue to ask for something else every time something like this (VT, Sandy Hook, Paducah, Stockton, etc) happens and they keep getting something every time they ask. Given enough time, the anti-gun nit-wits will have everything they want.
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What strikes me most about this time around is the vehement reaction that I am seeing to the scape-goating of law-abiding armed citizens, who were just as horrified as everyone else was, for the actions of a monster. Last time this was tried (the '94 AWB) no one was talking about violence in the streets and civil war- perhaps because Al Gore hadn't gotten around to inventing the internet yet.
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It seems that law-abiding gun owners are getting to be very, very, very tired of being the repository of blame for all of our nation's woes.
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I typically write at least two emails every day (and sometimes as many as a dozen) to my elected representatives, even those who are not directly representing me. I encourage every gun owner to do the same, even if it is just a couple of quick three-liners letting your congressmen know that any new/re-enacted firearms laws are not the answer- not this time. If we swamp them, they have to know that it'll cost them their jobs next time around.
 
It's all blues aka bubbles talking about stuff that happened as far as 50 years back when NOBODY was allowed to carry and you had to give a little to get a little. Back in the permit for everything days.

Wow. Where to start....Well, let's talk about that time frame you say I've been talking about "as far back as 50 years."

Judging from your posts over the last couple of days, it's hard to imagine that you're more than 13 years old, which I know isn't true, but even if your physical age was consistent with your obvious mental stunted growth, you should still be able to read. I've posted this quote from former NRA Vice President Franklin Orth at least four times in recent days. See if you can pick out the problem with what you assert the time frame that I've been talking about is. I'll give you a little visual aid:

America's largest gun control organization

On Jan. 16, 1968, in an address to the New York State University law school in Buffalo, Sen. Robert Kennedy, D-N.Y., stated: "I think it is a terrible indictment of the National Rifle Association that they haven’t supported any legislation to try and control the misuse of rifles and pistols in this country."

NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth took great umbrage at this remark in the October 1968 issue of the NRA’s magazine, The American Rifleman, terming Sen. Kennedy’s accusation "a great smear of a great American organization." Mr. Orth then went on to point out, "The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871."

Now let's work this out together, shall we? I'll go slow for the mentally stunted. 2013 - 1871 = 142 YEARS that the NRA has admitted to working for gun control. At the time that Veep Orth proudly made that stunning admission in 1968, the NRA had already been working for gun control for 97 years.

While you were busy trying to make up your mind what childish name you were going to try to troll me with, you should've actually been reading. You would have saved the embarrassment of making such a complete fool of yourself.

Now, second, please do give us a history lesson that documents your assertion that 50 years ago NOBODY could carry. I had my first CCW in '78 in Washington State, and 15 years before that, there were fewer restrictive gun laws, not more. When I was 15 years old in 1970, growing up in Southern California, me and a 16 year old friend hitch-hiked out to Carbon Canyon in the Mojave Desert over a two week Christmas vacation. We took backpacks and our .22 rifles in soft cases with a couple of boxes each of ammo in our packs, intending to try our hands at hunting, skinning and eating some rabbit while we were staying in my friend's dad's cabin about a 10 mile hike off the highway. We got stopped three times while waiting for a ride on three different freeway on-ramps, not because we had the guns, but because we were obviously underage and the cops just questioned us about whether our folks knew where we were, warned us to be careful, and headed on down the road. All three asked if the weapons were loaded, we answered honestly, "No Sir," but none of them opened the cases to even check if they were or not. Both of our cases were covered in competition decals, because both of us were on the last rifle team that our high school had before CA lost its collective mind and started down the path to extremely restrictive gun control that its citizens live under now, thanks in part to the ineffective, lying, betraying self-admitted gun control advocates of the NRA!

Probably anyone who is 50 years or older on this site could relate stories of guns being less regulated when you claim it was, "Back in the permit for everything days." I hope some will, but whether they do or they don't, everyone my age or older knows how full to your eyeballs of crap you are. You don't have a freakin' clue what you're talking about.

Times have changed, and so has the NRA. It's called political strategy

Finally! You got something right! Well, half right. The NRA hasn't changed, they're still the same ol' gun control advocacy group that they have been since its very inception in 1871, but you're absolutely correct that they play politics with our God-given, unalienable, natural rights. I seriously doubt that you even understand the distinction that I'm attempting to draw your attention to. To you, it's a good thing that there's a lobby group out there ready and willing to use your God-given rights as political bargaining chips. To me, bargaining with any part of my unalienable rights is, in and of itself, infringing on my not-so-unalienable-after-all rights.

...and we, the NRA have had some good ones [political strategies?] because constitutional carry exists again!

Have you ever done a search on anything that you pull out of thin air to see if it's true or not? Like, did we maybe have constitutional carry back when the NRA had a voice at the UN? Good grief, you must have to work at being so clueless.

Constitutional carry has existed throughout the entire history of the United States. It exists today, it existed during whatever period you're fantasizing that you "know" it didn't, and it existed all the way back to the first second of the first minute of the first hour after the US became a country, with no breaks whatsoever in the Constitution-compliant protocol's "existence." Vermont has never had a permission-slip system since they became the 14th state in 1791. For the previous four years since the Constitution had been ratified and we became the United States of America, all 13 of the original states had constitutional carry (duh!), so at no time has it ever not "existed" in this country.

If the NRA were all it's cracked up to be, every state would enjoy constitutional carry, but not only can they not accomplish that, they wouldn't if they could, because it would put them right out of business. There's tons of money in using your rights as bargaining chips, and they will do just enough to convince the easily-led that they're actually defending rights, when in reality, they're just marketing your rights (that you already possess) back to you. It's a pure genius marketing plan. Purely dishonest too. A pure betrayal of what they make you believe through false advertising that you're paying for.

What we sacrificed then for a short period has been regained tenfold. We are now an armed people.

"We" sacrificed constitutional carry for a short period, did we? And the NRA did that, did they? Who is the NRA, or the "we" you align yourself with, to sacrifice any right of mine that God gave me for simply being alive?

And since the NRA, or your mythical "we," never sacrificed the existence of constitutional carry in this country, for a short period or otherwise, then your calculation of what you "regained" may be right on the money at tenfold. Ten times nothin' equals nothin', and that's exactly what you get from the NRA. Well, except a real neato magazine with lots of pretty pictures on glossy paper and a cute little circular sticker to put on your car so everyone will know you're "doing something." Pffft. More nothin'.

Blues
 
. When I was 15 years old in 1970, growing up in Southern California, me and a 16 year old friend hitch-hiked out to Carbon Canyon in the Mojave Desert over a two week Christmas vacation. We took backpacks and our .22 rifles in soft cases with a couple of boxes each of ammo in our packs, intending to try our hands at hunting, skinning and eating some rabbit while we were staying in my friend's dad's cabin about a 10 mile hike off the highway. We got stopped three times while waiting for a ride on three different freeway on-ramps, not because we had the guns, but because we were obviously underage and the cops just questioned us about whether our folks knew where we were, warned us to be careful, and headed on down the road. All three asked if the weapons were loaded, we answered honestly, "No Sir," but none of them opened the cases to even check if they were or not. Both of our cases were covered in competition decals, because both of us were on the last rifle team that our high school had before CA lost its collective mind and started down the path to extremely restrictive gun control that its citizens live under now, thanks in part to the ineffective, lying, betraying self-admitted gun control advocates of the NRA!

Probably anyone who is 50 years or older on this site could relate stories of guns being less regulated when you claim it was, "Back in the permit for everything days." I hope some will, but whether they do or they don't, everyone my age or older knows how full to your eyeballs of crap you are. You don't have a freakin' clue what you're talking about.



And since the NRA, or your mythical "we," never sacrificed the existence of constitutional carry in this country, for a short period or otherwise, then your calculation of what you "regained" may be right on the money at tenfold. Ten times nothin' equals nothin', and that's exactly what you get from the NRA. Well, except a real neato magazine with lots of pretty pictures on glossy paper and a cute little circular sticker to put on your car so everyone will know you're "doing something." Pffft. More nothin'.

Blues
Right you are Blues. I was born and raised in So.California before it lost it's sanity. When I was a kid we didn't have to take a trip to the mountains or desert, we would shoot our rifles all day long in our own backyards. When in grammar school we had what was called a "share with others day" when we could bring our guns to school (unloaded) and proudly display them, no problem. As for the NRA, I dropped my membership because the only time they ever made their existence known was to send me a "real neato magazine with lots of pretty pictures on glossy paper" as you say once a month & a renewal notice every other day one month after I joined. Never did the NRA ever support it's members or it's own organization with promotional advertizing on TV to keep it's message strong and the public informed on any regular basis. The ONLY TIME they ever make their presence known to the general public is when a national gun debate presents itself, period. I have more respect for the Henry Repeating Rifle Co. "advertizing" on Fox, and that's "one" of the reasons I decided to support them and become a proud owner of a 357 Big Boy.
 
heres how they want to play it out... tragedy, executive order banning guns, try to get somebodies guns... they resist...declare emergency, set aside constitution, call in U.N. forces after leo and military refuse to go along. they have been training for that move for years. see denver training exercise w/ russian commandos...problem we have them outnumbered... if the people will fight. most people I talk to say it couldnt happen but if it did they would go along, since there isnt any other choice...dont count on the weak kneed masses.
 
blue turtles at 3 o'clock

No bag limits!!!!!

Now I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there!
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Blues- As articulate as you are; you're not going to get there from here.

Maybe we can get you to go to the UN next time and speak for US

-178S
 
1968? Your quote is from 1968, Ted Kennedy, no less HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Next time, don't quote a drunken libtard if you expect to be taken seriously. Lmao!
 

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