Article Warns of Violent Response To Pending Gun Control Lefislation

[BluesStringer]

I live in Pennsylvania (Delaware County).
For every purchase (Handgun & Rifle). I had to fill out a form (needed for the online background check) and they wanted your full name, address, drivers license number and social security number, plus your dated signature. After about 15 minutes, I was approved and walked out with my purchase.

You guys in Florida don't have to fill out forms?

Also, when I sold my buddy my Ruger LCR .357, we had to go to the gun shop and fill out the same forms for a "private sale". They charge $35 for the background check.

I am going to add my location.

I think it's a bit more complicated in FL where S&W645 is, but here in Bama, I hand 'em my Driver's License so they can verify my address hasn't changed, they do a NICS check right there while I'm waiting, the lady says, "That'll be $15 dollars please," and usually I'm out the door in less than two minutes. Maybe five if someone's ahead of me.

The funny thing to me is that for all the hoopla about states with "shall issue" laws being more protective of 2nd Amendment rights than "may issue" states, Alabama is a may issue state and my rights are as well protected as any other I've ever been made aware of....except maybe Vermont, which has no permit system at all, and constitutional carry. Otherwise, it's easy, cheap, and with no mandated courses to spend money on, no notification requirements if stopped by the cops etc. etc. etc. If I were ever forced to leave here for any reason, my favorite song would instantly become, "Oh, I wish I was in the Land of Dixie....."

Blues

 

[Nightmare45]

"They" could accomplish virtually the same thing w/o confiscation first by making certain firearms, amo etc. illegal to sell and own. Some, possibly many, will turn the firearms in under buy back programs etc. Next you get arrested if you are seen with the illegal firearms etc. in public. You also get arrested if you use the firearms and someone turns you in.

Then the media gets to bend and twist the news as home invasions and other crimes increase as less and less people can defend their property.

Been an honest hard working person all my life being the best I can be at what I do, if you make me a criminal I will be the best I can be, if you want to take my arms, I am willing to die to defend them, how bad do you want them? Yes you can out number me, overpower me and kill me, but I will take some with me.

 

[Stan45]

There is a song by CCR, I see a bad moon a rising, I see trouble on the way........

 

[S&W645]

I live in Pennsylvania (Delaware County).
For every purchase (Handgun & Rifle). I had to fill out a form (needed for the online background check) and they wanted your full name, address, drivers license number and social security number, plus your dated signature. After about 15 minutes, I was approved and walked out with my purchase.

You guys in Florida don't have to fill out forms?

Also, when I sold my buddy my Ruger LCR .357, we had to go to the gun shop and fill out the same forms for a "private sale". They charge $35 for the background check.

I am going to add my location.

The Form 4473 is filled out but all the data is not transmitted for the background check. As Florida doesn't allow FOIA requests for gun owners, they don't need addresses and DL numbers for the checks. If an FFL wants, they can run the check from their own computers once enrolled in the program. That cuts down on the telephone wait times which lately have been taking up to 45 minutes to get a live voice.

Info given is Name, DOB, Sex, Race, US Citizen, place of birth, resident of Florida, and type of firearm ( handgun, long gun, both, other).

 

[1911 Headbanger]

You evidently haven't seen the other posts on this forum that prove the NRA is a political organization that supports gun control... or you wouldn't jump to such a conclusion. Check it out: http://www.usacarry.com/forums/general-firearm-discussion/32618-nra-members.html

That's it.... Divide and Conquer. I have been an NRA Member and a Life Member 35 years. I have NEVER seen the NRA SUPPORT GUN CONTROL. I have seen them with their backs against the wall, and give certain consolations when they knew the legislation was going to pass. For instance, when the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban was certain to pass, the NRA had a choice, fight and give nothing, and watch a total ban on mags and guns take place, or give a little in exchange for having our "Pre-Ban guns and Mags "grandfathered" into the law and a "Sunset Date" where the law would have to be voted on again to maintain it into law. They knew, that 1) we would be able to keep our guns and mags 2) that certain items like Flash suppressors, bayonet lugs and such would have to be eliminated, but rifles could still be built 3) That a good possibility there would be a turn over in presidency and congress would overturn or allow the law to expire, and 4) that the Democrat Liberals would be able to stand in front of the cameras and brag about what they had done to save the world, even though it did nothing except change some guns, being manufactured and probably increase the price of those pre-ban items like mags.

There was also a video of a dumbass NRA Board Member who was voted in by NRA members by the way, who once advocated limiting all mags to 5 rounds. He is no longer on the board. The statements he made in an interview were denounced by the NRA and the board pretty much gave him reason to leave. But understand, this guy was voted in by people/ members who knew him, not the NRA board or officers.

Let me say this. The reason the NRA may have to give and take is because when it comes to negotiations, they may have to attempt to save certain things while jetesoning others. What do you do in a political battle when you may lose everything? You may have to cave on certain things when some politicians are about to give in on all or nothing. But then again, when their membership numbers 6 to 8 million and their are at least 100 million gun owners, many gun owners are not doing their fair share of the membership and power in numbers. Then we have people like you who try to discourage gun owners from joining at all. As I said, divide and conquer. You have a choice. You can join the fight and make it stronger, or you can do the typical gun owner activity and stand on the sidelines and B!tch about everything you don't like and discourage others. Sorry pal, but the NRA has protected my rights for many years, and I know many of the Board folks and Directors personally. They are all very dedicated to the second amendment. By the way..... what happened to the Clinton Gun Ban? What guns did you have confiscated? I thought so. Just wondering. That was my point.

 

[BluesStringer]

That's it.... Divide and Conquer....

<snipped a bit of extraneous rantings>

Please explain to us how anything UATKP said was divisive, or who he could possibly want to "conquer" on the pro-2nd-Amendment side of the fence. He referred another poster to an active thread where the track-record of the NRA was/is being discussed in-depth. UATKP believes in the unabridged 2nd Amendment, the one where all that is needed for anyone to understand and adhere to its meaning is for them to read it. That's it, just read the darned thing, understanding while you're reading it that the Founding Fathers of this once-great nation intended that meaning to stand for perpetuity, without any need for political compromises, or SCOTUS interpretations, or gun owners being divided against each other for any purpose, to conquer or otherwise.

And what did the Founders cite as the source of the rights they enshrined for perpetuity within the Constitution? The Creator, Nature's God, and they relied firmly on Divine Providence as they pledged their lives, fortunes and sacred honor to each other to accomplish the creation of a nation.

So, to my way of thinking, knowing that the 2nd Amendment is not ambiguous at all, and knowing that God Himself guided the thoughts, inspirations and hands as they wrote it, when the NRA or any politician or lobbyist starts compromising the meaning of those words, they think they're entitled to make compromises with God. Well, screw dat!

We don't need the NRA to tell us how much of the 2nd Amendment, or any other part of our Constitution, we should be allowed to keep through multiple series of compromises. It says what it says, and it means what it says. If tyrants want to change it by fiat, that is precisely what the 2nd Amendment was designed for! To allow us to repel any tyrant or oligarchy that would come to enslave us! And guess what? That oligarchy is here! A Supreme Court that rewrites laws to make them "constitutional." A Congress that writes unconstitutional laws in the first place, and literally laughs in the face of anyone who inquires, "Is that constitutional?" A President that hires a shadow government empowered by executive fiat alone, separate and apart from any authority granted him in the Constitution. And then foreign political influences that are being allowed to infiltrate our legal system over environmental issues, global warming, and yes, even gun control. When one of those people or bodies becomes tyrannical, we were supposed to have other people or bodies whose equal powers would defeat them politically. But when all of those people or bodies become tyrannical, we are under the thumb of an entrenched oligarchy, and the NRA making compromises with those oligarchs is nothing less than consorting with the enemy!

YOU are the one dividing and diluting the 2nd Amendment by supporting the oligarchs!

I know you will not accept anything I've said here. It's painfully obvious how thoroughly they have brainwashed you into thinking that God-inspired freedom is something to use as bargaining chips in political tug-of-wars. But know this; UATKP, myself and many like us will not allow anyone to compromise that which God Himself has given us. To bargain with tyrants is to bargain with Satan, and all your lectures and unjustifiable pontifications won't penetrate our firm reliance on Divine Providence, anymore than it dissuaded this country's Founding Fathers.

Blues

 

[JohnLM]

It would be hard to believe that LEO or even Military would go door to door and search our homes for firearms. Isnt that about the same thing as invading America?

I dont know many LEO or military that are not firearm owners themselves.

In my opinion they would have to basically bring in UN troops and take over America overnight to accomplish this. How do you think it would play out that foreign troops taking over America?

I might be near sighted but I do not see it happening. Maybe making it to where you cannot buy them anymore, or you have to buy a stamp and have them regulated if you buy them after a certain date....

I see the trend in the short supply of ammo now available. If they can't take your guns they can stop making bullets! Have you notice the short supply of ammo lately??

 

[dbrow6272]

They have removed God from the schools, you do not have to stand for the pledge of allegiance if you don't feel like it. The kids of this country are out of control, they are protected not the parents! I too pray everyday, all day and on my knees twice a day. I fear nothing the Lord is with me. I am on my way to making my own bullets for the guns that count. My 45 ACP's and my 9MM's. I will also be doing a few rifle rounds, 30-06 and 25-06. Bolt action but as accurate as you can get.
THE LORD IS MY SHEPARD, I SHALL NOT WANT!

 

[dbrow6272]

By the way, you can look up where someone is from on their posts. I am in MINNESOTA.

 

[1911 Headbanger]

Please explain to us how anything UATKP said was divisive, or who he could possibly want to "conquer" on the pro-2nd-Amendment side of the fence. He referred another poster to an active thread where the track-record of the NRA was/is being discussed in-depth. UATKP believes in the unabridged 2nd Amendment, the one where all that is needed for anyone to understand and adhere to its meaning is for them to read it. That's it, just read the darned thing, understanding while you're reading it that the Founding Fathers of this once-great nation intended that meaning to stand for perpetuity, without any need for political compromises, or SCOTUS interpretations, or gun owners being divided against each other for any purpose, to conquer or otherwise.


So, to my way of thinking, knowing that the 2nd Amendment is not ambiguous at all, and knowing that God Himself guided the thoughts, inspirations and hands as they wrote it, when the NRA or any politician or lobbyist starts compromising the meaning of those words, they think they're entitled to make compromises with God. Well, screw dat!

We don't need the NRA to tell us how much of the 2nd Amendment, or any other part of our Constitution, we should be allowed to keep through multiple series of compromises. It says what it says, and it means what it says. If tyrants want to change it by fiat, that is precisely what the 2nd Amendment was designed for! To allow us to repel any tyrant or oligarchy that would come to enslave us! And guess what? That oligarchy is here! A Supreme Court that rewrites laws to make them "constitutional." A Congress that writes unconstitutional laws in the first place, and literally laughs in the face of anyone who inquires, "Is that constitutional?" A President that hires a shadow government empowered by executive fiat alone, separate and apart from any authority granted him in the Constitution. And then foreign political influences that are being allowed to infiltrate our legal system over environmental issues, global warming, and yes, even gun control. When one of those people or bodies becomes tyrannical, we were supposed to have other people or bodies whose equal powers would defeat them politically. But when all of those people or bodies become tyrannical, we are under the thumb of an entrenched oligarchy, and the NRA making compromises with those oligarchs is nothing less than consorting with the enemy!

YOU are the one dividing and diluting the 2nd Amendment by supporting the oligarchs!

I know you will not accept anything I've said here. It's painfully obvious how thoroughly they have brainwashed you into thinking that God-inspired freedom is something to use as bargaining chips in political tug-of-wars. But know this; UATKP, myself and many like us will not allow anyone to compromise that which God Himself has given us. To bargain with tyrants is to bargain with Satan, and all your lectures and unjustifiable pontifications won't penetrate our firm reliance on Divine Providence, anymore than it dissuaded this country's Founding Fathers.

Blues

BluesStringer, you certainly put lots of words into my mouth that I didn't say. I for one believe most of what you've said as far as our rights. I don't want to bargain away anything as far as my rights or guns. So what do you do in the case of the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban? They conceeded certain things in order to maintain what we had, knowing the law had no balls to it. Especially when the NRA and a few politicians had finished gutting it. But you wanted all or nothing. Well my guess is you would have ended up with nothing, because the bill was going to pass and the NRA knew it.

Like I said. Please list the Firearms you have lost because of the NRA or any Firearms Rights you've lost because of them. However, we can make a list of the ones we've kept because of them. Your Bull ***** antics about how the Founding Fathers wanted this and that are great historical values. But welcome to 2013. Your enemy in now in charge of this country, and well organized. Why do your enemies target the NRA so violently in the media and Government. It's because the NRA is a constant thorn in their sides and they know the power weilded by them to stop assaults on your gun rights.
But right now, your enemy is stronger than ever before. They control the vast majority of the media and politics as we speak. Gun Owners very seldom ever unite on anything, because they act like you. Standing on the sidelines bitching and whinning about, well back in 72 the NRA didn't give me my milk and cookies. Yep, Divide and Conquer. Get ready pal. It's gonna hurt when you bend over this time. Go ahead and keep creating the division instead of at least lining up with the most powerful gun lobby we have today. You throw away hundreds of victories they've made, because you disagree with 2 or 3 they didn't perform to your standards. If you believe that it's Assault Weapons ban or revolution is comming, you may be in for a surprise. Not too many are willing to organize and start loading the mags. They willfully obey the law. Your revolt may be a long time comming and may never come. Right now, at this point, I say the NRA is the best we have. I won't argue that there are other good organizations, but when you see your Propaganda News People and the Politicians in front of the Camera, they are not screaming about the JFPO or the GOA. They are screaming down with the NRA. There's a very good reason for that.

 

[longslide10]

Tell that to some people in New Orleans after Katrina. LEO's went door to door checking on safety and confiscating the home owners weapons.

I heard or read they were merc's from Blackwater hired to help LEO's and the traitor Mayor Naggin. I am surprised not one jackbooted thug was taken out. I think people were thinking this couldn't be happening here and didn't know how to respond. Thank God we have history to show us the behavior of tyrants.

 

[longslide10]

Obama, Pelosi, Feinstein and their ilk...They had better ponder what they may be starting.

I believe they have. Could be the reason why DHS has purchased so many rounds of ammo lately and why bullet proof check point stations have been ordered and why there are millions of plastic coffins stacked up in the south waiting to be shipped. These elitist pos have been planning on this for some time, they aren't stupid plus it's all part of the NWO enslavement agenda.

 

[longslide10]

I see the trend in the short supply of ammo now available. If they can't take your guns they can stop making bullets! Have you notice the short supply of ammo lately??

We'll just have to find where they keep theirs!

 

[Axeanda45]

N R A fluffers galore around here......

 

[nofrets1]

Make no mistake; this is exactly what the far left wants. They believe that violence will allow them to destroy what is left of the republic and the Constitution

300 million firearms in the hands of 80 million Americans might just be a bit more than they can handle. Even if, as someone previously mentioned, only 2% fought back, you would still have a militia of 1.8 MILLION members ready to defend America from implosion. How many service members in our armed forces?... Now how many would side with those that trample our constitution? How many police officers would be willing to enforce confiscation? This could be far uglier than the Civil War... All the rest of the world has to do to defeat us is to sit back and watch...

 

[BluesStringer]

N R A fluffers galore around here......

Tee hee....He said "fluffers." LOL

 

[r1derbike]

Which side of the fight are those coffins for? Both? Are those the alleged coffins that may fit 4 bodies thrown in them at once?

With matching tupperware lids for easy burial?

Just who is preparing for the war to end all wars here? Our government, sworn to uphold the constitution, or some tyrannical infiltrators, who have already won the war, with the help of the ignorant masses?

I'm confused.

Somebody please 'splain to me what is going on here? I've evidently been left out of the loop, as many have...

...is this one of our government's "wink, nod, say no more, say no more" moments?

Is the all out war on gangs/crime in our metropolitan cities (where most of our violent crimes are committed) about to begin? Marshall Law declared? Police state rule?

Could someone please fill-in the blanks for me? I can't believe that there are as many terrorists inside our borders as are coffins at-the-ready.

 

[UATKP]

R1derbike,the government has bought and stored more small arms ammunition over the last two years than it has used over the last 10, and there are already interment camps being built on existing military bases throughout the USA, for radicals like you and me, and O'nutjob and his socialist czars are leading the country into chaos, so the s will hit the f, so they can declare martial law, and when they declare martial law, O'nutjob will be able to use his already-abused "powers of executive privilege" to make the rest of the constitution null and void, and then the s will really hit the f, and a lot of us that remain and the majority of his little brown shirts will die in the street, and that's why the coffins are ready.

 

[r1derbike]

Heady stuff. So, then. Everybody who questions our present government is a radical? I'm not sure I want to wear that badge yet. Perhaps emailing our representatives has already sealed my fate then.

Is nothing going to be done to curb violence in our metropolitan areas? Where police dare not go? I see, enacting the strictest gun measures in the land in those cities is going to have all the gangbangers lining-up to do their civic duty and turn-in all their weapons. Man, that's got to make the politicians give each other a few slaps on the back and the attaboys coming! More dead, innocent, law-abiding citizens.

I forgot, lapse of memory. What is wrong is right, and what is right, is now wrong.

 

[BluesStringer]

For the record, though I do agree quite often with longslide10 and UATKP, I think the government-storing-millions-of-coffins story is complete bunk. The subject came up a couple of months ago, and you can check out my response here if you like. Several more posts on the subject follow that one. No one on the side arguing that these storage facilities were government run, or even that the government had ordered all the coffin liners most of the controversy was about, ever came close to convincing me they had any proof. That first link was about a field of what appeared to be concrete vaults of one sort or another. Most of the rest of the exchanges were about the plastic liners.

Personally, I don't think chaos in the streets, (failed) attempts at instituting martial law, or really, any adverse condition that presents itself when civilizations die, is out of the question. I think the impetus for it will be, though, an economic collapse, so irresponsible has our government been with our monetary policy over the last 100+ years. I honestly can't figure out what's holding it together right this minute. $16.5 trillion in debt, which represents approximately 103% of GDP, while GDP is slowing and debt continues to accelerate, the Fed printing money faster than we could harvest it if the whole Southern half of the country's #1 cash crop really was money growing on trees, manipulation of both the money markets, holding it artificially high, and the precious metals markets, holding it artificially low to keep FRNs more attractive to investors, all of whom will loose their entire market-based fortunes within seconds of a crash, how this all adds up to a more or less stable market is mind-boggling. But Boehner caves, and the market saves! Sorry, trying to be a little too cute there, but how does the supposed "fiscal cliff" deal that the Republicans just foolishly agreed to make the markets go up? It's ridiculous.

Anyway, I believe an economic crash a hundred or a thousand times worse than the Great Depression of my parents' era, is just around the corner. As it always does, chaos and brutality will rise out of extreme poverty. Starving babies will make moms and dads do things they never thought themselves capable of before, and hunger will drive the already-barbarian inner-city types to new heights of evil.

No matter what causes its onset though, there is a way to escape it all. For the best explanation of that escape-hatch that I've ever seen, look here. If you reject that, simply sit and wait for it, because you can't stop it, you can't lessen its effects, and you will not survive it either. Good luck and God Bless.

Blues