WTF is going on???school shooting.

gejoslin said:
Obama administration, Congress quietly let school security funds lapse | WashingtonGuardian
This is part of the problem;

Before Connecticut tragedy, administration eliminated emergency preparedness program,let school violence prevention programs lapse


UPDATED 23:43 PM EST, DECEMBER 14, 2012 | BY JOHN SOLOMON AND KIMBERLY DVORAK

beneath the expressions of grief, sorrow and disbelief over the Connecticut school massacre lies an uneasy truth in Washington: over the last few years the Obama administration and Congress quietly let federal funding for several key school security programs lapse in the name of budget savings.
Government officials told the Washington Guardian on Friday night that two Justice Department programs that had provided more than $200 million to schools for training, security equipment and police resources over the last decade weren't renewed in 2011 and 2012, and that a separate program that provided $800 million to put police officers inside the schools was ended a few years earlier.
Meanwhile, the administration eliminated funding in 2011-12 for a separate Education Department program that gave money to schools to prepare for mass tragedies, the officials said.
A nationally recognized school security expert said those funds had been critical for years in helping schools continue to enhance protections against growing threats of violence. But they simply dried up with little notice as the Columbine and Virginia Tech school shooting tragedies faded from memory and many Americans and political leaders had their attentions diverted to elections, a weak economy and overseas dramas.
"I was baffled to see funds and programs cut in these areas,” said Kenneth Trump, the president of the National School Safety and Security Services firm that helps school districts and policymakers improve protections for teachers and students. “Our political and policy leaders need to walk the walk, not just talk the talk about being concerned about school safety.
Obama administration, Congress quietly let school security funds lapse | WashingtonGuardian
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Wow. Just wow. Perhaps part of the tears from our CIC was knowing that funding was cut for COPS and other training in schools?

This may have been prevented? The audacity to point fingers.

Even if those cuts weren't directly responsible for the murders in CT, this is an outrage!
 
kerb said:
I agree. It needs to be the adults that are there, with the kids, every moment of every day.

At school, that's the teachers.



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The teachers are more or less expected to try to protect their kids. Might as well give them a tool to do it with.
 
r1derbike said:
Another atrocity that could have been averted if a vigilant officer had been there, as they are in state and federal buildings. Maybe now, this will happen.
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I understand and agree with the sentiment behind this statement but there's a fundemental flaw with the idea. It isn't possible to have LEOs in every circumstance where children might be at risk, much less other people in our population. This idea functions on the premise that we must have law enforcement to protect us and keep us safe. Not only does that relieve us of the right and responsibility to protect ourselves, it places law enforcement into a role far beyond what they exercise now, a role that conjures up visions of a police state. The courts have repeatedly ruled that it isn't the job of law enforcement to protect the citizenship anyway. Some of these schools are quite large too. Many kids could still be killed before a resource officer could get to the room in question. I don't mean any of this to suggest that I oppose LEOs in schools. I don't. I just oppose the idea, any idea, that the presence of LEOs should be envisioned as a solution to a threat of crime. The teachers should still be allowed to carry, and schools should not be off limits to law abiding citizens who are legally carrying. It's painfully obvious the unlawful are already doing so.
 
r1derbike said:
Wow. Just wow. Perhaps part of the tears from our CIC was knowing that funding was cut for COPS and other training in schools?

This may have been prevented? The audacity to point fingers.

Even if those cuts weren't directly responsible for the murders in CT, this is an outrage!
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Based on what? Did you read the article? Do you know what those programs were for? Do you think it's the job of ther federal government to run education in this country? Did you miss the part where it said they could still get the money for resource officers under another program? Try reading a little and doing some research before knee jerking. Most of those funds were grant programs that were never designed to be permanent. Most of what the article covers were training programs, which for all we know the Newtown school system completed. I don't believe the federal government should be running our education systems. I also don't believe in earmark spending as a general rule, which most of this was. And if you knew much about earmark spending you'd know that it's pretty much temporary by definition. Outrage? Hardly. Normal and expected are more like it.
 
teachers should be allowed to carry if they so choose not only to protect the children if shtf but themselves as well ......there should be no such thing as a gun free zone in a free world
 
eagleeyes said:
teachers should be allowed to carry if they so choose not only to protect the children if shtf but themselves as well ......there should be no such thing as a gun free zone in a free world
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You mean free country. It's not a free world. And some would give you a good argument about it being a free country too.
 
Rhino said:
Based on what? Did you read the article? Do you know what those programs were for? Do you think it's the job of ther federal government to run education in this country? Did you miss the part where it said they could still get the money for resource officers under another program? Try reading a little and doing some research before knee jerking. Most of those funds were grant programs that were never designed to be permanent. Most of what the article covers were training programs, which for all we know the Newtown school system completed. I don't believe the federal government should be running our education systems. I also don't believe in earmark spending as a general rule, which most of this was. And if you knew much about earmark spending you'd know that it's pretty much temporary by definition. Outrage? Hardly. Normal and expected are more like it.
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Rhino, I read the article, did you read the last line in my post?
 
Rhino said:
I understand and agree with the sentiment behind this statement but there's a fundemental flaw with the idea. It isn't possible to have LEOs in every circumstance where children might be at risk, much less other people in our population. This idea functions on the premise that we must have law enforcement to protect us and keep us safe. Not only does that relieve us of the right and responsibility to protect ourselves, it places law enforcement into a role far beyond what they exercise now, a role that conjures up visions of a police state. The courts have repeatedly ruled that it isn't the job of law enforcement to protect the citizenship anyway. Some of these schools are quite large too. Many kids could still be killed before a resource officer could get to the room in question. I don't mean any of this to suggest that I oppose LEOs in schools. I don't. I just oppose the idea, any idea, that the presence of LEOs should be envisioned as a solution to a threat of crime. The teachers should still be allowed to carry, and schools should not be off limits to law abiding citizens who are legally carrying. It's painfully obvious the unlawful are already doing so.
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Rhino, realistically speaking, teachers will never be allowed to carry in the classroom.
 
Stan45 said:
It would take what 20-30 minutes for that to happen. The shooting would have been over 20 minutes before they arrived.
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Shootings will be over since teachers will never be allowed to carry in the classroom, so what's the point here? At least if an officer is employed, he will be there already?
 
r1derbike said:
Rhino, realistically speaking, teachers will never be allowed to carry in the classroom.
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If we can get our governor in Michigan to stick to his promise to sign SB 59 (he's re-thinking whether it is appropriate to have legally armed citizens carrying in schools in the wake of Newtown), teachers in possession of a CPL WILL be able to CC in our schools! Actually, it is legal right now for teachers to carry openly in a public school in Michigan if they possess a CPL. I'm not aware that any take advantage of this. If the governor does actually sign SB 59, then OC will cease to be legal in a public school, and CC will replace it.
 
Ringo said:
Let me make this very clear, it's a terrible happening when any child is murdered. Sadly the most sickening part about it today is that it all depends on who does the murdering, how they are murdered, why they are being murdered, and if it's legal, in our Godless Socialist Amerika. Talk about depraved individuals shooting school children, how about the depraved mothers & doctors that murder 4,000 babies everyday in our abortion mills (55 million & counting), and they casually call this kind of murder a women's right to choose. It's A-OKAY for a scumbag doctor in his "right mind" to drill a hole in the head of a baby being born and suck it's brains out for the sake of convenience, but it's an atrocity when some nut job "not in his right mind" murders children with bullets while in a school. We educate our children to believe that they are a product of evolution, FREAKS OF NATURE, and as children or an adult when they commit acts like only FREAKS OF NATURE commit, morons ask, what is going on? Still the most dangerous place to live in Amerika is in the mothers womb. However pathetic, this is realty.
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Now I'm a MORON? for trying to make sence of all this....edit.
 
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r1derbike said:
Rhino, I read the article, did you read the last line in my post?
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You think it's an outrage that programs designed to be temporary weren't kept permanently and you want the federal government running our education system even though they have no constitutional authority to do so. Yes, I read it. I even quoted it and refuted it.
 
titaniumman said:
Now I'm a MORON? for trying to make sence of all this...FU/k YOU! RINGO, I didn't realize you had this all figured out....Some one should have sucked your brains out at birth, then the rest of us wouldn't seem so stupid.
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So, you're admitting that Ringo is RAISING THE AVERAGE? I think you've proved his point...
 
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