*Bloodied Image of Zimmerman's Head Released*

[CathyInBlue]

If TM were on top of GZ bashing GZ's head into the concrete while GZ knew himself to be armed, then it is entirely appropriate for GZ to defend himself with lethal force.

If you're being assaulted by a person who is largely unarmed (the question of the concrete as a deadly weapon not being addressed here), but whose assault you cannot escape and which seems likely, at the very least, to render you unconscious, then you can assume that after falling unconscious, anything else can be done to you by your assailant: Rape (not likely in this case, just sayin'), further physical injury, or nothing. In GZ's case, there's the added knowledge that should TM render him unconscious (or dead), TM could then search his body and find his sidearm, with which he would then be free to commit mayhem at will. Being that GZ believed TM to be a street punk and criminal, it's even more unsurprising that he would choose to prevent himself (by whatever means) from being rendered unconscious or killed (by whatever means) and TM then obtaining his sidearm.

 

[buddy]

He should be released and relocated. No questions asked. 100% justifiable self defense !!!!

But wait, is not the statement from numerous usacarry members that he followed martin after being told not to, proof of his guilt? They KNOW, right? Because they are so street smart, right?

 

[Jason1221]

@cathyinblue very good statement. Like someone said earlier on following someone is not a crime. Exspecialy if he were trying to keep a eye on him to point him to police. Nobody knows who attacked who. I believe TM attacked GZ and when his head being slammed in concrete that would be enough to make almost anybody in that situation feel imidiate danger of there life I know I would.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I agree the whole thing stinks...it's been blown way out of proportion, and while I am beginning to not care anymore about this case, I do understand there are those much closer that do still care. I do care about justice though, everywhere, and with all the biased doctored media representation, I do not know if there will ever be justice in this case. As you put it, wanna be cop or neighbor hood watch vs innocent baby or drug using thief? What happened seconds before the physical altercation? Did Martin have justification to use deadly force against Zimmerman? Does Zimmerman have justification to use deadly force against martin? There was a call for help...who was yelling? At least now, after the courts decide what they feel is right, there will be foundation to one side of the story or not (not that it matters, since courts get ruling wrong all the time).

Now...

Medically speaking, the broken nose and head wounds you referenced. 46+ days is a long time, swelling will have gone down, and if properly placed (if needed) no disfigurement will be shown. As far as blood from the picture, traumatic head injuries don't usually cause death by hypovolemia (loss of blood, resulting in decreased volume leading to shock). The amount of blood in the picture is of no relevance when it comes to the internal damage done to the brain tissue. The police and paramedics cleaned up Zimmermans blood, and with high definition video, wounds are visible in the police video. And as fuhr said, he was detained and taken to the police station. I am not sure who you are referencing when you asked "who doesn't get arrested?"

I meant that he should have been arrested or at least questioned, which they apparently did. But if they felt secure enough to release him, the public defender or DA or whoever would have been "on his side" should have made a bigger fuss about it, as in "NO. He was already processed, there was no evidence, this is a clear-cut case of self-defense." It's like, not only is the media screwing the pooch, the authorities are letting the inmates run the asylum.

Every time I've ever had a head wound it's bled like a mother. But, like you said, if it's mostly internal damage--more blunt trauma--it might have been bruising more than lacerations.

I just don't know. I have a feeling he was probably justified, but I also wonder, why jump into the fray? I know you don't have a DUTY to retreat, but common sense might suggest it.

Ah I get what you meant.

Head wounds do bleed quite a bit (vascular and thin skin), but they are controlled pretty easily as well. My main point was though, the lacerations and blood aren't the imminent danger to life, but the blunt force trauma to the brain.

Today I heard someone answer the question, "how's your day going" with, "just another bag of skittles and ice tea." The guy who asked the question turned to me and said, "that was pretty funny you got to admit." I replied, "I guess it's a good thing people are realizing how much of a joke this case is to be making remarks like that." Both guys stopped laughing and I walked away. Everyday something happens that just drives in the fact the incident and outcome of this case is meaningless beyond the two families affected.

 

[S&W645]

I meant that he should have been arrested or at least questioned, which they apparently did. But if they felt secure enough to release him, the public defender or DA or whoever would have been "on his side" should have made a bigger fuss about it, as in "NO. He was already processed, there was no evidence, this is a clear-cut case of self-defense." It's like, not only is the media screwing the pooch, the authorities are letting the inmates run the asylum.

Every time I've ever had a head wound it's bled like a mother. But, like you said, if it's mostly internal damage--more blunt trauma--it might have been bruising more than lacerations.

I just don't know. I have a feeling he was probably justified, but I also wonder, why jump into the fray? I know you don't have a DUTY to retreat, but common sense might suggest it.

It was done by Florida law but the DA did not have all the evidence. I.E. his cell phone use. Problem we, the public have, is we do not know when the gun came out, we don't know which direction GZ and TM were going, and we sure don't know if TM feared for his life too before the gun was fired.

 

[Jason1221]

Ain't no way that gun was out before hand. His head would have never been smashed. And even if it was obviously there was no intent. Or TM would have been shot before the fact. Anything that is triable in this case is all after the fact. Nothing premeditated here for sure. It was after the fact that TM smashed GZ's head it was then he was shot. And even if TM did fear for his life does that infact meen GZ didn't? Ppl have pure speculation on what ifs. When in fact only evidence is pointing to justified selfs defense. No matter wich way it gets laid out. He shot after his head was being bounced on pavement wich justifies his own fear.

 

[FN1910]

As I have read and seen more about this case my original opinion has changed a lot but there are some thing that have not changed from the beginning.

I thought at first that the police had screwed it up but I found that it was not the police exactly rather the police chief and the city manager. Both of them shot their mouths off without knowing the facts of the case and not only allowed this case to get out of hand but actually added to the outcry. If it had been handled properly to the media in the beginning all the mess could have been avoided or at least controlled somewhat.

People have declared facts surround this case that are not facts but rather assumptions that seem to contradict what actually happened. First the dispatcher did not tell Zimmerman not to follow Martin rather she said that we don't need you to do that. From that you can draw your own conclusion but he was not ordered not to follow Martin. Second is that there is absolutely no evidence that Zimmerman followed Marting after that conversation. You can claim that he didn't listen to the dispatcher but there is nothing that says he didn't follow her advice.

As for the perjury deal on the age Zimmerman said from the 911 tape and what he said on the stand. I listened to the tape and Zimmerman described him as being in his late teens...... and before he could finish the sentence he was cut off by the operator. It sounded to me like he was going to add more to the statement such as "or in his early 20's" which would have been exactly what he said on the stand.

As the investigator said on the stand under oath there is absolutely no evidence as to which one started the fight other than Zimmerman's story. If the state had any evidence they should have been ready for it then and now the investigator is the one who can be charged with perjury if he changes his story.

About the injuries, I have seen a man having his head slammed onto a concrete floor. If we had not jumped in to stop the fight I have no doubt that he could have been killed right then. The fellow got up, staggered out the door and walked home. He did not get any cuts on his head and the floor was smooth concrete but if there had been a crack or edge on the concrete he could easily have would up with cuts on the back of his head. I saw a drunk fall one night and hit his head on the edge of a concrete floor and when he got up he was bleeding. Zimmerman having cuts on the back of his head whether it was a little blood or a lot doesn't matter but confirms to me that he hit his head on the sidewalk some way. If they want to find out if he had any cuts the scars will still be there and can bee seen. If the state wants to know if he suffered any injuries they can check the medical records that were offered to them at the hearing.

The affidavit offered by the state at the bond hearing was supposedly written but the two investigators. It was clear to me that the investigator on the stand had very little to do with writing that document. He had no idea what was in it or who wrote it. I don't know who wrote it but that investigator was not the primary author.

I think that the judge who set the bond had his mind made up before the hearing even started. We have to remember that he has been on tis case only a few days and made some remarks, such as when asked about the media hearing, that he was trying to catch up on what was actually happening. I say that he had his mind made up before the hearing because if not he had all indications to me of throwing the case out.

I will not be surprised at all if at the nest hearing if the judge throws the case out and rules in favor of Zimmerman. That is unless the state can find some "evidence" that they don't already have. I think they will try to find some to support their case such as the girl that was supposedly on the phone with Martin but unless she changes her story from what she has already said then it doesn't do the state any good.

I don't think there is any way that a jury can legitimately find Zimmerman guilty of murder but they could easily compromise for manslaughter. But right now with the evidence that has been put in place that are factual and not assumptions I don't think it will make it to a jury.

 

[sgtyoung85]

What proof do you have that he didn't stop?

 

[Jason1221]

@fn1910 correct u are. I see no way he is guilty of any wrong doing. And when them pictures were takin was the smartest thing Zimmerman could have done. The pictures probably being a surprise to the prosecutor. When in fact a attorney wouldn't show there hand until the preliminary hearing. I wouldn't doubt that the judge does dismiss this case js from the fact of no evidence. I wouldn't doubt that the prosecuter drop charges before they go to trial and lose a case. And now the state needs to be prepared to relocate Zimmerman and his family all expenses paid by the state. But doubtfully that Zimmerman would even push for such just from the relief of being acquited. I pray that God protects him and his loved ones.

 

[sgtyoung85]

Listen suburban commandos... I live in the city and have been for most of my life minus my active duty military time. Going to tell you something right now. If you see a possible thug by himself. 9 times out 10 he is not doing anything or going to do anything. Thugs work in groups most of the time . 2 or more usually. By themselves they dont have the balls to do anything unless they positively know they have an advantage and that's not to often. Got a bunch of knuckleheads that like to hang in my neighborhood . When they all together they're a bunch of tough guys, but when one is by himself he don't have **** to say. If you're really scared about somebody breaking into your house. Get a damn alarm and use the damn thing. Stop leaving your doors and windows unlocked . Stop leaving your valuable items in plain view and your car unlocked, and you won't have anything to worry about. If that's not enough get a dog for early warning an extra security. Stop believing because you live in the burbs you're safe. Criminals drive too. I see it on the news, and all I can think, no common sense. This world isn't safe get that through your thick skulls now.

 

[sgtyoung85]

Listen suburban commandos... I live in the city and have been for most of my life minus my active duty military time. Going to tell you something right now. If you see a possible thug by himself. 9 times out 10 he is not doing anything or going to do anything. Thugs work in groups most of the time . 2 or more usually. By themselves they dont have the balls to do anything unless they positively know they have an advantage and that's not to often. Got a bunch of knuckleheads that like to hang in my neighborhood . When they all together they're a bunch of tough guys, but when one is by himself he don't have **** to say. If you're really scared about somebody breaking into your house. Get a damn alarm and use the damn thing. Stop leaving your doors and windows unlocked . Stop leaving your valuable items in plain view and your car unlocked, and you won't have anything to worry about. If that's not enough get a dog for early warning an extra security. Stop believing because you live in the burbs you're safe. Criminals drive too. I see it on the news, and all I can think, no common sense. This world isn't safe get that through your thick skulls now.

My point for my previous rant was. Martin was by HIMSELF. Wtf was Zimmerman scared of ?

 

[Dale64]

My point for my previous rant was. Martin was by HIMSELF. Wtf was Zimmerman scared of ?

I don't think he was scared of anything, he was carrying a firearm.
He did exactly what his neighborhood expected of him, he saw what he perceived to be a suspicious person and reported it to the police.
You have to understand that there neighborhood had been experiencing a rash of burglaries, therefore there was a heightened sense of alertness.
Any person who did not seem to belong in the area would have been reported.
Trayvon Martin didn't seem to like the fact that Zimmerman was tailing him (from a distance, there was NO confrontation) and eventually gained enough distance to be lost to Zimmerman's sight.
Zimmerman then returns to his vehicle so that he can meet up with the police officers that were on their way to the scene.
Why on earth did Martin circle back around and confront Zimmerman?
What happened after that is only known by 2 people and 1 of them is dead, but it would seem that Martin attacked Zimmerman.
There is at least one eye witness that reported seeing Martin on top of Zimmerman and bashing his head into the ground.
That eye witness went into his home to call 911, that is when a single gunshot was fired and was recorded on that 911 call.

 

[walt629]

Part of Zimmermans bail hearing was a court required apology to the parents of Martin. While I believe Zimmerman is truly sorry he had to pull the trigger on Martin, I wonder how it would have gone over if Zimmerman had said something like "I'm sorry your son gave me no alternative when he jumped me." or something like that.

 

[Dale64]

Where did you hear that it was "court required" ?
I watched the whole thing live on TV and his taking the stand and apologizing was completely voluntary and unscripted.

 

[BravoSierra2012]

Where did you hear that it was "court required" ?
I watched the whole thing live on TV and his taking the stand and apologizing was completely voluntary and unscripted.

I don't think it was required. I think he wanted to apologize and knew the judge would tell him to not contact or speak with the family. This was his chance. MHO

 

[Jason1221]

Lol suburban commandos. Ok nobody said he was scared and ur right 8 outa 10 times thugs are js thugs when others are around. However this thug did infact attack GZ. Who knows who was scared or who struck who first at some point GZ feared for his life and that's why he did what was necessary. That don't make him a coward or a commando or even a murderer. That makes him alive. Being put threw hell for his actions that possibly saved his life. Yes it's sad TM lost his. TM used a weapon first that weapon being the sidewalk. Wether ppl want to here it or not. Once again he wasn't trigger happy nor looking to shoot someone or TM would have been dead before GZ got his head smashed. And if it were you or I or the next guy it's human nature to do everything in your power to protect your life and the life of your loved ones.

 

[mamacat2u]

I don't think it was required. I think he wanted to apologize and knew the judge would tell him to not contact or speak with the family. This was his chance. MHO

It was indeed or so it seems. He tried to contact the Martin family prior to going to court on Friday for his bail hearing, so that he could apologize to them. However, they declined his request via their attorney, Benjamin Crump. (I have my own opinions about him. lol I can't believe he has made it as far as he has in the legal profession, given he can hardly form a coherent word, much less sentence.) So, it does appear that his only way to do so was to do it in court that day when they were present.

 

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[Ghost Rider]

It is certainly getting quite interesting. Innocent until proven guilty.

What I find quite interesting is that the media outlets are stating how it might be "safer" for Zimmerman to remain in custody. *sigh*

Anymore it seems like your guilty until proven innocent.

 

[Quiet]

Last couple of days, local FL news agencies are reporting that the...

... medical report for Zimmerman indicates he had a broken nose, two black eyes, lacerations to the back of his head, bruises on his back and had a split lip.

... autopsy report for Martin indicates he sustained a single gunshot wound and had bruised knuckles on both his hands. He did not have any other injuries.