Whats your opinion on the florida shooting?

[Blogengeezer]

Yes, wonderful opportunistic liars! If you can figure out a way to send them a basic email then we should all bombard them with this>>>Weekend of violence claims 10 shooting victims across Chicago - Chicago Tribune
Then ask them about this, 10 killed in Chicago shootings over the weekend and 49 wounded. Amazing as tragic as it is only the death of one seems to be more important then the death of 10!

The 'Hoodie' is a uniform worn by an element of society that has not had a good record of social responsibility, therefore it basically Asks for trouble. The details are slowly coming out about the investigation of why Trayvon Martin was the recipient of the projectile. The position of the combatants During the incident. the angle of the projectile, the size and weight of Both combatants, the relative proximity and position of both combatants at the moment of projectile launch. The visibility, weather conditions on the night of the incident.The recorded 'Attitude' of Both combatants. The 'criminal' Record of Both Combatants.

So many questions that only a jury trial will reveal. This incident has far more use as fulfilling an Agenda for 'factions' interested in disarming the US populace, than the two young men now being used as Pawns, in another deadly game of International Disarmament. Many historical dictators including Robert Mugabe know quite well, and used to Their Advantage, what this fiasco can predictably result in. With our historically mysterious 'Executive Order-in Chief' this can easily result in a far more deadly game than seen on the surface. With National media coverage of what is common occurrence in 'Reverse' in LA CAL, dozens of times nightly, no longer even mentioned in the La La Times, it seems strange for this Local story to 'gain media legs' across the nation. I smell an AGENDA.

 

[Fyrewerx]

I've seen several posters here note that Treyvon's father said the cry for help was not his son's voice. Actually, several days ago, allegedly after the recording was "cleaned up", he recanted that statement, and now claims it is his son's voice crying for help.

I don't necessarily agree with this, but it is now the mantra of the father, the mother, Rev. Al & Jesse, and, apparently, several million folks.

 

[Deer Hunter]

Prayer goes out to Travons family,
What was this guy thinking,I beleive proper situation training was not in place.This guy needs to put away.
Iam a CCC holder with out training in situations,my fealing is before I physicaly start carring a weapon I want some form of training from some one qualifed in matters like the present. Right now I keep my weapon in the house away from my ability to use it improperly.Lastly iam a supporter of the 2nd admendment and NRA.
due to someone or some thing that would ignite my using the weapon in an ill manor.

 

[CapGun]

Zimmerman said he was pursuing Martin. The dispatcher basically told him not to. Zimmerman said that Martin looked like he was up to no good and that he looked like he had something in his hand. Zimmerman used deadly force because he was in fear of his life. (clearly one prerequisite in order to do so legally)
The lesson here revealed the obvious questions. >>> When he made the call to 911 was Zimmerman in fear of his life? If he did not pursue Martin would his life be in danger?
Was there a chance of escalation if he didn't follow Martin? The police were on the way. With a CCW you avoid any possibility of an aggravated escalation in any scenario even if you are "flipped the bird" or your woman/boyfriend is verbally insulted. You'd be better off just smiling and blowing the guy a kiss and have a piece of quiche! There is no way this guy is not going to get arrested for something! He certainly should be. The act of self defense is a REACTION not an action.

 

[CapGun]

Prayer goes out to Travons family,
What was this guy thinking,I beleive proper situation training was not in place.This guy needs to put away.
Iam a CCC holder with out training in situations,my fealing is before I physicaly start carring a weapon I want some form of training from some one qualifed in matters like the present. Right now I keep my weapon in the house away from my ability to use it improperly.Lastly iam a supporter of the 2nd admendment and NRA.
due to someone or some thing that would ignite my using the weapon in an ill manor.

In the meantime I can make it simpler for you. Very basic and simple. a) You know right from wrong, trust your judgement and instincts!(gut reaction) Even after your training (always a good idea) you will always have to default to a)!

 

[Texas Heart Shot]

Stand your ground

You can not provolk someone then shot them & call it standing your ground. That is not what the law is for or how it is written.

 

[Deer Hunter]

If proper police action had been taken this situation would be less volital,shootings happen all over the country
where the police investigate them and with normal media exposure.I dont understand why the police didnt investgate.
Whether you have credentials to carry or not and a shooting happens, i beleive the police should investigate regardless
to make sure everyone is on the up & up.Big blunder by the police.

 

[Bttbbob]

Actually Capgun and Texas Shooter you are wrong that an aggressor can not claim stand your ground law in Florida. Please read 2 (b) of the statutes. Not saying its right but it is the law.

Actually you are wrong in certain circumstances you can still use force to defend yourself if you are the physical aggressor. Simply saying something to someone except a threat of violence is NO excuse to start a fight.below is the use of force by aggressor statute.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

 

[FN1910]

My question is who brought the SYG law into this to start with. In my opinion the SYG law does not apply in this situation rather the self-defense law which I understand was what Zimmerman claimed to start with. I totally agree that Zimmerman has every right to claim self-defense and may very well be cleared due to his claim. It is a fact that Zimmerman left his car/truck to either watch, question or confront Martin. No one except Zimmerman knows what happened after that. However the fact that Zimmerman left his vehicle removed the SYG defense from the case. If the rumors are true that Zimmerman made no contact with Martin and was jumped from behind while he was walking back to his truck then things could change but the fact is that a very poor investigation was performed by the police who allowed this mess to get out of control. SYG laws were never intended to cover these types of situations and should not be confused with the actual SYG cases. This is the perfect opportunity the SYG opponents have been waiting for and as long as we argue over whether or not Zimmerman was in the right to go chasing after Martin then we are just giving them more ammunition. We need to let the court decide if it was self-defense or not and forget about SYG in this case.

 

[Fyrewerx]

Misinformation About Case Spreads... We Sort Through What's True; What's Not

Rene Stutzman of the Orlando Sentinel entered the following in this morning's (3/24/2012) edition:

There is a great deal of misinformation surrounding the Trayvon Martin shooting. Here are some of the most prominent misunderstandings:

Cops returned the gun to shooter George Zimmerman.

Untrue, according to police. Sanford Officer Tim Smith handcuffed Zimmerman, and then pulled from a holster in Zimmerman's waistband the black Kel Tec 9 mm PF9, a semiautomatic. The gun is now in the possession of authorities, officially part of the evidence in the case.

Zimmerman, though, still has a valid concealed-weapons permit.

Cops believed Zimmerman had a "squeaky clean" criminal record.

Untrue, according to Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. During an early meeting with Trayvon's father, a Sanford police investigator told him Zimmerman described himself as being "squeaky clean." Trayvon's father "may have misconstrued" that the investigator was merely relaying Zimmerman's claim, Bonaparte Jr. wrote in a public statement.

In reality, Zimmerman had been arrested in 2005 at a UCF-area bar and charged with resisting arrest without violence. He completed a pretrial-diversion program, meaning the case was officially dropped, and he wound up with no conviction on his record. It's not clear when, but police did check Zimmerman's criminal record and know about that arrest.

The cops tested Trayvon for drugs but not Zimmerman.

True, according to authorities. Trayvon underwent an autopsy, the same as in every other suspicious death in Florida, and as part of that, was tested for drugs. Zimmerman was not tested because he was not arrested.

Sanford cops usually call a prosecutor to the scene of a homicide but did not that night.

True, according to police and the State Attorney's Office in Seminole-Brevard. Police talked to a prosecutor by phone that night, but she did not go to the scene. Based on the evidence they gathered that night, police believed they did not have enough evidence to arrest Zimmerman on a manslaughter charge because of his account of what happened and claim of self-defense.

Zimmerman fired twice, a warning shot and a kill shot.

Untrue, according to several witnesses and law enforcement. Two loud bangs can be heard on one 911 call, and family attorneys said last week that that was evidence of two shots, but several witnesses who've spoken publicly about what they heard all describe a single shot. And a source close to the investigation told the Orlando Sentinel just one shot was fired from Zimmerman's gun. (Fyrewerx Note: It has already been reported that the gun's magazine was full, indicating the one shot was the chambered round)

 

[hogwylde]

I personally think it was a "bad shoot", Zimmerman has issues, and it was a totally unnecessary loss of a teen's life. But what bothers me about the newscasts is the only thing being discussed is race! Not once have I heard discussion of the gun laws with the exception of how SYG is a "bad thing".

 

[jahwarrior72]

According the the facts that have been public so far, I think Zimmerman is a f*cking moron, who put himself in a situation he didn't need to be in. I think that he screwed up numerous times. But I'm not a part of the judicial system in FL, so it's not up to me to judge him; it's up to a jury.

 

[SGB]

I've seen several posters here note that Treyvon's father said the cry for help was not his son's voice. Actually, several days ago, allegedly after the recording was "cleaned up", he recanted that statement, and now claims it is his son's voice crying for help.

I don't necessarily agree with this, but it is now the mantra of the father, the mother, Rev. Al & Jesse, and, apparently, several million folks.

Of course the Father would never Lie to push his Agenda $$$$$$$$$$$

And lets just ignore the eye witness that said it was Zimmerman calling for help.

Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation

 

[BC1]

Cops believed Zimmerman had a "squeaky clean" criminal record.

Untrue, according to Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. During an early meeting with Trayvon's father, a Sanford police investigator told him Zimmerman described himself as being "squeaky clean." Trayvon's father "may have misconstrued" that the investigator was merely relaying Zimmerman's claim, Bonaparte Jr. wrote in a public statement.

As this unfolds, investigators will be interviewing others who were confronted by Zimmerman in the past. My bet is they'll find he's been confrontational.

 

[SGB]

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[SGB]

As this unfolds, investigators will be interviewing others who were confronted by Zimmerman in the past. My bet is they'll find he's been confrontational.

That's going to go both ways, what ever the family doesn't want known about Martin is going to surface as well.

 

[BC1]

Here's a question for everyone...

If Martin was lawfully on the premises, was not committing any crime and was being shadowed by someone, isn't he also covered by FL "stand-your-ground" law? After all, he is not required to answer any questions or obey any orders from Zimmerman. If this was a LEO officer stopping him many on this forum would argue that the stop was without cause and therefor a violation of Martin's rights. Some posters are ready to sue any LE agency who asks for ID. What would you and I do if someone was following us and then approached on a dark, rainy night? Those who advocate stand-your-ground laws should believe Martin had the right to smack this mutt down.

Would any of us have done anything different if we were Martin? Would we submit to a "nobody?" No badge, no uniform, no security guard license. I can't even remember how many times I've ignored or told someone to ---- off! I would have told Zimmerman to kiss-off and continued about my business. If he continued to follow I would have eventually STOOD MY GROUND and knocked him out. Even in NY where one is required to attempt to retreat there comes a point where you no longer must do so.

 

[SGB]

Here's a question for everyone...

If Martin was lawfully on the premises, was not committing any crime and was being shadowed by someone, isn't he also covered by FL "stand-your-ground" law? After all, he is not required to answer any questions or obey any orders from Zimmerman. If this was a LEO officer stopping him many on this forum would argue that the stop was without cause and therefor a violation of Martin's rights. Some posters are ready to sue any LE agency who asks for ID. What would you and I do if someone was following us and then approached on a dark, rainy night? Those who advocate stand-your-ground laws should believe Martin had the right to smack this mutt down.

Would any of us have done anything different if we were Martin? Would we submit to a "nobody?" No badge, no uniform, no security guard license. I can't even remember how many times I've ignored or told someone to ---- off! I would have told Zimmerman to kiss-off and continued about my business. If continued to follow me I can't say I wouldn't have eventually STOOD MY GROUND.

Your premise is that Zimmerman stopped/confronted/detained Martin and that simply has not been shown to have happened. All the circumstantial evidence (to date) supports the majority of Zimmerman's story.

 

[BC1]

I think zimmererman has retain a good lawyer and the media is pissed. That is quite obvious and why they are smearing him.

I think he's hiding because he's scared to death. He can never go home again. This should be a wake-up call to those who carry a gun. A defensive shooting will ruin your life. I'd like to ask Zimmerman if it was worth it.

 

[BC1]

Your premise is that Zimmerman stopped/confronted/detained Martin and that simply has not been shown to have happened. All the circumstantial evidence (to date) supports the majority of Zimmerman's story.

He admitted following Martin. What will you do if I follow you on a dark rainy night? Will you be fearful? Will you eventually turn it back on me or allow me to follow you? Would you train your students to do what Zimmerman did? Personally? Someone is going to follow me for only so long before I turn and stand my ground.

Your own tag line is "It's easier to avoid conflict than it is to survive it" - SGB.

Is that true or isn't it?

He's getting indicted.