Waffle House Shooting (Good Guy Wins)

[SGB]

My pistol is a last resort, not a first. Some thug 30, 40, 50 feet away robbing a cashier is not a direct threat to me and I won't jeopardize the lives of everyone around in a highly risky and potentially misguided effort to "rescue" them.

Wow .....

...... the one thing no one here can help you with is mindset, and yours isn't good.

"Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician"

 

[improvisation07]

And you seem to think that all armed robbers open fire. Guess there's more than one person living under that rock.

FBI stats show that only a tiny % of armed robberies actually result in the perps opening fire. Unless they start shooting or try to take me or a family member as some sort of hostage, I won't be starting a firefight.....especially with bystanders around. This is probably because I don't suffer from any Rambo-like delusions.

I never said all, and it only takes one single time for it to be one time too many.

Good day to you.

 

[B2Tall]

I never said all and it only takes one single time for it to be one time too many.

Good day to you.

And your actions will guarantee that "one single time".

 

[Keykutter]

Never been much of a gambler myself.

If a guy pulls a gun, are you betting he won't shoot? Hell of a gamble. If he uses a gun in the process of a crime, in my mind, he's dead wrong. He may get one chance to drop it, but unless it goes down, he goes down.

KK

 

[B2Tall]

If you're gonna quote me, include the entire quote. If he starts the shooting and you're the first victim? Your pistol is in your holster and you can't get to it in time because you were betting this was not in the "tiny %"?

Drop the guy where he stands? Rambo? Please. Where did you feel that I was going to say that? Because sometimes I may choose to defend myself or others?

You do as you feel best, and I will also. Good luck to us all!

What do you mean "if" he starts shooting?? You seem convinced that he will no matter what.

That's a mighty small "if", and an even smaller chance that he'd pick me to be his target out of a bunch of people in a restaurant, especially since I'm not antagonizing him. But if I stand up and open fire, I've pretty much assured myself of being his first target in the unlikely chance that I'm (or anyone else in spite of their delusions to the contrary) not able to drop him on the spot.


Ever wonder why bank branches no longer have armed guards like they did back in the day?? Because it was found that guards pulling their guns out and trying to stop the robberies actually created far more casualties than having no guard at all. It's also why every bank in the country has a "no resistance" policy for their employees when a robbery occurs. Bank employees are trained to remain calm and hand over the money. You'd have to go back nearly 5 years and 20,000+ bank robberies to find one where a customer or employee was killed. There's a lesson to be learned there. Like I said, pulling out my gun and shooting will always be an option, but one of last resort.

 

[B2Tall]

Never been much of a gambler myself.

I like to gamble once in a while. That's why I like the 99% odds better than 1%. And that 1% is about the chance that a perp will open fire unprovoked.

 

[radartech]

Never been much of a gambler myself.

If a guy pulls a gun, are you betting he won't shoot? Hell of a gamble. If he uses a gun in the process of a crime, in my mind, he's dead wrong. He may get one chance to drop it, but unless it goes down, he goes down.

KK

You never know what that other guy with the gun is thinking.. BUT you do know what you are thinking.. I heard someone say, never point a gun at something you dont expect to shoot at... Well I take it this way... Never expect a gun to be just pointed at you, expect it to fire on you and act accordingly.....

 

[B2Tall]

The FIREFIGHT broke out when the idiot came in waiving a gun. End of story!
The end result may vary but there is no denying when the firefight began.

This post is in response to B2TALL
Forgot to include quote.

You sure have a strange definition of "firefight".

 

[NavyLCDR]

I just love it when some moron does a little Google search on the subject of Oklahoma's deadly defense laws then post some of what they found. Then think they know how it will be applied.
I have some news for you, you don't know nothing ZIT.
It's what the District Attorney feels he can charge you with and then drag your ass through many Months in the court justice system.
You better have some money saved for your Attorney you damn sure will be needing him.
Take my advice before coming to Oklahoma do not think what you read will keep you safe, if you pull out a firearm and use it. Just pulling it out will get you arrested.

Another graduate of the Rich_S school of self defense. Show us examples of these arrests and prosecutions that you speak of. Of course you won't.

 

[S&W645]

What do you mean "if" he starts shooting?? You seem convinced that he will no matter what.

That's a mighty small "if", and an even smaller chance that he'd pick me to be his target out of a bunch of people in a restaurant, especially since I'm not antagonizing him. But if I stand up and open fire, I've pretty much assured myself of being his first target in the unlikely chance that I'm (or anyone else in spite of their delusions to the contrary) not able to drop him on the spot.


Ever wonder why bank branches no longer have armed guards like they did back in the day?? Because it was found that guards pulling their guns out and trying to stop the robberies actually created far more casualties than having no guard at all. It's also why every bank in the country has a "no resistance" policy for their employees when a robbery occurs. Bank employees are trained to remain calm and hand over the money. You'd have to go back nearly 5 years and 20,000+ bank robberies to find one where a customer or employee was killed. There's a lesson to be learned there. Like I said, pulling out my gun and shooting will always be an option, but one of last resort.

I don't know about where you live but in the part of SE Florida where I live, we have armed off duty police in the banks. We had an armed armoured car guard shoot and kill one robber at my bank and wounded a second. After that, the bigger banks have gone to the police officers. Link Removed

 

[improvisation07]

Ever wonder why bank branches no longer have armed guards like they did back in the day?? Because it was found that guards pulling their guns out and trying to stop the robberies actually created far more casualties than having no guard at all. It's also why every bank in the country has a "no resistance" policy for their employees when a robbery occurs. Bank employees are trained to remain calm and hand over the money. You'd have to go back nearly 5 years and 20,000+ bank robberies to find one where a customer or employee was killed.

Bank teller is shot during Hamilton robbery | NJ.com

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Have a nice day.

 

[Leadpoison]

You sure have a strange definition of "firefight".

I call `em like I see `em

You can hide under the table with Rich_S if you want. That`s your choice.

 

[rrman12280]

What do you mean "if" he starts shooting?? You seem convinced that he will no matter what.

That's a mighty small "if", and an even smaller chance that he'd pick me to be his target out of a bunch of people in a restaurant, especially since I'm not antagonizing him. But if I stand up and open fire, I've pretty much assured myself of being his first target in the unlikely chance that I'm (or anyone else in spite of their delusions to the contrary) not able to drop him on the spot.


Ever wonder why bank branches no longer have armed guards like they did back in the day?? Because it was found that guards pulling their guns out and trying to stop the robberies actually created far more casualties than having no guard at all. It's also why every bank in the country has a "no resistance" policy for their employees when a robbery occurs. Bank employees are trained to remain calm and hand over the money. You'd have to go back nearly 5 years and 20,000+ bank robberies to find one where a customer or employee was killed. There's a lesson to be learned there. Like I said, pulling out my gun and shooting will always be an option, but one of last resort.

Will he fire or not (50% vs 50%). Last I heard there were actually 12 people in the restaurant. This means out of the 50% chance he will fire his weapon, there is a 8.3% chance it would be you or each of your family members. A family of 4 increases to over 33%. Odds are increasing. Are you willing to risk this percentage?

 

[Keykutter]

It amazes me that when a guy basically gets beat to death in a thread, another, nearing the end of the thread, jumps on the same bandwagon.

Not that it's right or wrong, just weird kinda funny really!

KK

 

[radartech]

It amazes me that when a guy basically gets beat to death in a thread, another, nearing the end of the thread, jumps on the same bandwagon.

Not that it's right or wrong, just weird kinda funny really!

KK

Hopping onto a bandwagon has been popular since before Abraham Lincoln was born and you expect that to change now? LOL

 

[B2Tall]

Bank teller is shot during Hamilton robbery | NJ.com

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Have a nice day.

One of your examples was from 1997. Just a tad beyond the five years I spoke of.

OK....so there has been one in the last 20,000+ robberies. And exactly how does that disprove my point that it's exceptionally rare??

Have a nicer day.

 

[B2Tall]

I call `em like I see `em

You can hide under the table with Rich_S if you want. That`s your choice.

Well, tough guy....If you're around spraying bullets, you can be sure I'll be under the table. Don't rattle that plastic sword too much. It might break.

 

[B2Tall]

Will he fire or not (50% vs 50%). Last I heard there were actually 12 people in the restaurant. This means out of the 50% chance he will fire his weapon, there is a 8.3% chance it would be you or each of your family members. A family of 4 increases to over 33%. Odds are increasing. Are you willing to risk this percentage?

LOL! Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ass! 50%?? That's like saying my chances of winning the lottery are 50% because there are only 2 possible outcomes - win or lose!

Your "formula" is so preposterous....so born out of desperation that I won't comment on it beyond a hearty laugh!

 

[BluesStringer]

Being a "Rambo" ain't such a bad thing really. I mean, think about it, John Rambo was walking through a town minding his own business when a gung-ho Sheriff started harassing him. He wanted to leave, didn't want any trouble, and didn't exhibit any violent tendencies when arrested. Only when one of the deputies started beating him with a club did he defend himself. The criminals were clearly his abusers. He was within his rights of self defense at several points before he actually acted on them. The fact that the writer(s) of the movie over-exaggerated his violent propensities when he did finally go off, doesn't change the fact that they developed a character in the beginning that had enough of fighting, killing and inhumanity towards his fellow man, and who did everything within his power to avoid more of the same.

The Rambo metaphor fails just on the basis of it being repeated so often and directed at anonymous posters on the internet whom the purveyors of such brainless twaddle couldn't possibly know if even their own twisted misperceptions of who the movie character of John Rambo was, legitimately applies to them. But it also fails because if you're being called a "Rambo" because you are being accused of wanting violence and killing in your life, the accuser doesn't understand the movie character any better than they understand the strangers on the internet that they repeat the accusation to incessantly.

Blues

 

[rrman12280]

LOL! Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ass! 50%?? That's like saying my chances of winning the lottery are 50% because there are only 2 possible outcomes - win or lose!

Your "formula" is so preposterous....so born out of desperation that I won't comment on it beyond a hearty laugh!

Thought that would get a response as such. As I said, good luck to us all, including yourself.