TSA finds average of 4 guns each day at airports

[B2Tall]

MY security measures? ROFL

I just love reading your pathetic responses when you think you've got the upper hand. Thanks for posting. I enjoy comedy.

Some people are so desperate breath life into their long-dead argument that they'll ignore facts such as the 9/11 hijackers didn't use guns (which is what this thread is about - guns), they would have been easily overpowered had the passengers known what was in store for them, and the "weapons" they used were pefectly legal to bring aboard airplanes at the time (i.e. the security measures in place worked as they were supposed to). Oh, and lets also ignore the fact that there hasn't been a single successful hijacking (or casualties) since 9/11 in spite of the fact that there are millions of people in this world who would love to do just that.

I guess for some people 100% isn't a high enough success rate for our current airport security system. You can't argue with somebody that knows everything. I think they just want to feel important. As I've said before, those people carry a gun because it makes them feel like a real badass....security has little or nothing to do with it.

 

[fudo]

I mentioned holes in the aircraft skin in a previous post. The artcile posted in this thread talks about people dying from a window failure. I'm willing to bet you're the average CCW holder which means that you have nowhere near the skills needed to fire a gun in that environment.

Had you read the previous posts you would have seen that the subject of blown out windows has been addressed.
Not that it's any of your business, but I can rapid fire empty my Colt LWT Commander and keep them all on a pie plate at 7 yards. That may or may not be good enough, but it's a whole lot better than a rolled up magazine.

 

[fudo]

You're trying to fix a problem that no longer exists, and in the process of doing so you'd actually be creating the problem that you want to defend yourself against! Your "cure" is infinitely worse than the disease!

The best weapon the 9/11 hijcakers (who, in case you haven't heard, didn't use guns) had at their disposal was the naivete of their victims. We are no longer that naive. If a hijacker or group of hijackers attempted to seize control of a plane with boxcutters or the like, they'd be beaten down in rather short order. And a boxcutter or small shank is about the best weapon that a potential hijacker could realistically get aboard a plane under today's security screening system. That same group armed with guns (guns that you and others have let them on the plane with) is going to be an entirely different story. Having a CCW doesn't change somebody into a saint, nor do you have to be Mother Teresa to get a permit. The only one being naive is you and your wishful thinking that it's easy as pie to identify and separate the good guys from the bad guys, to say nothing of the insane delusions that some wannabe sky marshals on this site have about being able to whip out a pistol and in the blink of an eye and take out 3 or 4 BGs without spilling their coffee (BGs that were allowed on the plane in the first place because of their utterly laughable "plan" to improve airline safety!). Yeah....let's give every nut case, radical, fanatic, and terror cell a good chance at getting aboard a plane with guns. That way we can unleash our inner Rambos instead of having to just sit there and read the airline magazine. What a great idea.

This whole thread reeks of the ego and vanity of certain people and smacks of some major league sheepdoggy-ness.

I disagree, but this is America and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[FN1910]

Some people are so desperate breath life into their long-dead argument that they'll ignore facts such as the 9/11 hijackers didn't use guns (which is what this thread is about - guns), they would have been easily overpowered had the passengers known what was in store for them, and the "weapons" they used were pefectly legal to bring aboard airplanes at the time (i.e. the security measures in place worked as they were supposed to). Oh, and lets also ignore the fact that there hasn't been a single successful hijacking (or casualties) since 9/11 in spite of the fact that there are millions of people in this world who would love to do just that.

I guess for some people 100% isn't a high enough success rate for our current airport security system. You can't argue with somebody that knows everything. I think they just want to feel important. As I've said before, those people carry a gun because it makes them feel like a real badass....security has little or nothing to do with it.

Your posting about what the hijackers used as weapons reminded me of how many time I have wondered what really happened on those planes and what were the other passengers thinking. Even if they were armed with box cutters and knives the number of passengers should have been able to overtake them due to the numbers. If they had known what was happening I think they would have at worst wound up in a field like the one in PA. But like you say I get the strong feeling from so many posters that unless they have their gun then they will just run away claiming they are defenseless and have no hope. Then I read about a janitor at a school that takes down a person with a gun out to kill everyone he see without being armed with so much as a mop. If that janitor was like some of these posters it is not telling how many people would have been shot while the janitor was outside the school protesting the fact that he was forced to be defenseless because couldn't carry his gun with him to work. Right now there are too many idiots running around with a gun on their hip looking for a legal excuse to use it for me to feel comfortable allowing anyone who wants to be John Wayne carry it on a plane. That area is way to confined for me to try to get out of the way of someone trying to play Dirty Harry at 37,000'.

 

[fudo]

Also don't forget about the states where you don't need a permit.....

Again, I already addressed this in an earlier post. RIF (Reading Is Fundamental)

At this point, everyone has made their position clear. No one is going to change anyone's mind, and this discussion has degenerated into a pissing contest, which I don't care to participate in. I'll bow out of this mess and say good day to all.

 

[B2Tall]

Your posting about what the hijackers used as weapons reminded me of how many time I have wondered what really happened on those planes and what were the other passengers thinking......

What boggles my mind is that the pilots actually gave up their planes to guys armed with boxcutters.

 

[S&W645]

Some people are so desperate breath life into their long-dead argument that they'll ignore facts such as the 9/11 hijackers didn't use guns (which is what this thread is about - guns), they would have been easily overpowered had the passengers known what was in store for them, and the "weapons" they used were pefectly legal to bring aboard airplanes at the time (i.e. the security measures in place worked as they were supposed to). Oh, and lets also ignore the fact that there hasn't been a single successful hijacking (or casualties) since 9/11 in spite of the fact that there are millions of people in this world who would love to do just that.

I guess for some people 100% isn't a high enough success rate for our current airport security system. You can't argue with somebody that knows everything. I think they just want to feel important. As I've said before, those people carry a gun because it makes them feel like a real badass....security has little or nothing to do with it.

Sorry but on atleast one plane, box cutters weren't the only thing used. Suggest you go do some reading. As to NavyCdr's comment about Rich's security, where did two of the flights leave from? That's right Boston, Mass. As for current safety, the gov't has failed atleast twice and only passengers stopped the attempted hijack or bombings.

 

[B2Tall]

Sorry but on atleast one plane, box cutters weren't the only thing used.

Enlighten me.

As for current safety, the gov't has failed atleast twice and only passengers stopped the attempted hijack or bombings.

And did the passengers need guns to do so??

 

[S&W645]

Enlighten me.



And did the passengers need guns to do so??

Cabin in first class on atleast flight was filled with Mace. Ever been Maced, tear gassed, or pepper sprayed? I have and fighting back at the time will be very hard. Even moreso in the confines of an aircraft cabin.

I've never said the guns were needed. What I pointed out to Rich was that his statement that everybody would die if a gunshot hit a window was false. And proven so more than once.

 

[B2Tall]

Cabin in first class on atleast flight was filled with Mace. Ever been Maced, tear gassed, or pepper sprayed? I have and fighting back at the time will be very hard. Even moreso in the confines of an aircraft cabin.

Mace? And how does that go against my assertation that the hijackers weren't armed with any sort of serious weapon that would prevent them from being beaten to a pulp? Seems to me that the mace would affect the BGs as much as it would the GGs. Do you think the flight crew would ever give up the cockpit in a similar situation if it happened today?? No, they wouldn't....and that would leave the BGs at the mercy of a couple of hundred angry passengers who certainly aren't about to just sit on their butts, mace or no mace.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I'm just wondering what TSA is gonna do when some guy's ass starts smoking on an airplane and they discover he had explosives stuck up there....

 

[6shootercarry]

My trusty black and gold Cross Pen is always with me when I do have to fly... The gun is but another tool.. It is not a magic talisman nor a shield against the evil that men do... Will to live and the intellect to make it happen...

 

[NavyLCDR]

Had you read the previous posts you would have seen that the subject of blown out windows has been addressed.
Not that it's any of your business, but I can rapid fire empty my Colt LWT Commander and keep them all on a pie plate at 7 yards. That may or may be good enough, but it's a whole lot better than a rolled up magazine.

"You'll shoot yer eye out, kid!"

 

[B2Tall]

Not that it's any of your business, but I can rapid fire empty my Colt LWT Commander and keep them all on a pie plate at 7 yards. That may or may be good enough, but it's a whole lot better than a rolled up magazine.

Can you do that while shooting at a target that's shooting at you?? Can you do that with your heart pounding like a bass drum, adrenaline racing through your veins, and bystanders every way you turn?? No offense but I'm not going to trust my life to you, your Colt Commander, and your wishful thinking.

The adult male passengers would greatly outnumber the hijacker(s). The only way the BGs would stand a chance is if they had a firearm.....and that's precisely what you and a few others would be handing them with your ideas of "Do-It-Yourself" airline security.

 

[jg1967]

By what means do you suppose someone might hijack an aircraft these days? They have to pass through the same security as everyone else. There are other means of intervention besides firearms. I'm not willing to take the risk of someone who's not skilled enough firing a gun in a plane.

Well luckily for you our so much wiser government has decided that point for all of us (including well trained instructors) so we won't really have to worry about that, will we?

 

[pyth0n]

Well, even if he does exist, a pilot does fly the plane. Not build it or repair it. He's not an engineer ...

He does have to know the systems, limitations and what to do when one fails, includung loss of cabin pressure. His job then becomes one of landing the plane safely. He's not being asked to fix it.

 

[NavyLCDR]

My trusty black and gold Cross Pen is always with me when I do have to fly...

Until someone gets the idea to pack a pen full of pressurized nerve agent that they have been inoculated against, releases it to knock everyone out on the plane, except those with the inoculation, and hijack the plane.... but the government has assured us that can't happen.

But, when it does, all pens will be banned on aircraft and we'll have to upgrade all aircraft to installed hermetically sealed cockpits with their own oxygen supplies at the cost of $100 or $200 surcharge added to each ticket.

 

[jg1967]

Well luckily for you our so much wiser government has decided that point for all of us (including well trained instructors) so we won't really have to worry about that, will we?

There was supposed to be a smiley after that. Cuz I think this got all too heated a debate anyway. ;-)

 

[jg1967]

Until someone gets the idea to pack a pen full of pressurized nerve agent that they have been inoculated against, releases it to knock everyone out on the plane, except those with the inoculation, and hijack the plane.... but the government has assured us that can't happen.

But, when it does, all pens will be banned on aircraft and we'll have to upgrade all aircraft to installed hermetically sealed cockpits with their own oxygen supplies at the cost of $100 or $200 surcharge added to each ticket.

Like I said, we WILL eventually all be wearing a paper suit when we board a plane.

 

[golocx4]

Sorry, I just don't believe the stats. Our TSA has proven to be incompetent must follow orders and obey. If they found one gun they would panic and put the whole airport in Lockdown.
Remember who we are dealing with.