fudo
New member
Not really. I don't think so.
TSA finds average of 4 guns each day at airports
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Not really. I don't think so.
fudo
New member
Windows blow out and decompression only happens in movie airplanes. Aircraft skins are porous. That is one of the reasons that pumps operate continuously to keep the cabin pressurized. You do understand that- right? As long as the plane is flying straight and level, shooting skills are the same as on the ground. If it isn't, well, everybody will be suffering under the same disability.
Considering a hijacking scenario I think a lot of us feel that's, well, a risk worth taking considering what happens if nobody can intervene. The question about how the average CCW person can perform is valid but then again, not all cops are training much or often and a lot of them have never been shot at either. So there's pretty much the same concern there. IMHO.
S&W645
NRA Life Member
Did you read the article? Window blew out and only the person sitting next to the blown window died and their seatbelt wasn't properly secured. Person 3ft away wasn't hurt. In the case of the Aloha 737, only a standing stewdardess died. Therefore your statement "If you blow out a window it's good bye for everyone on board. You do understand that- right?
" has been shown to be false. Also in the article is about a pilot that had a window blow out. He managed to survive even though he got partialy sucked out of the plane.
The difference between the inside and outside at 35K to 45K feet is only about 10 PSI absolute.
S&W645
NRA Life Member
That is my line of thinking. Even though everyone on Flight 93 died, how many more would have died if they hadn't crashed the plane at Shankville, PA?
pyth0n
New member
I think your neighbor doesn't exist. I've worked aircraft for over thirty years. Your info is wrong. Cabin pressure is maintained by opening and closing valves opened to the outside of the aircraft. blown out windows won't suck a person out. I've also practice rapid decompression in an altitude chamber and no one was sucked to the opening. Your biggest worry is getting your O2 mask on. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.:crazy_pilot:
BluesStringer
Les Brers
After 9/11, the thought that hijackers are likely to allow a plane to land and all those innocent bystanders making it out alive, seems rather a naive thought to me to begin with. All any CCW holder in this thread has said is that they (we) want the same fighting chance to survive as we have on the ground. Innocents get hit by strays on the ground too. Sucks, but it happens, so it seems an irrelevant consideration to the issue at hand.
I wonder what the required score to qualify is for those Sky Marshals who are trained to hit a target the size of a playing card? I'll guarantee it's not 100%, so even they are capable of stray shots too. Would you feel any better about being accidentally shot by a Sky Marshal than a CCW carrier trying to accomplish the same ends? I wouldn't. Especially not if we landed safely and the hijackers were either dead or on their way to prison, while I was on my way to get medical attention. And if I died in the process instead, so be it, my reward is much greater than their 72 burkha-covered virgins. Link Removed
Blues
Well, even if he does exist, a pilot does fly the plane. Not build it or repair it. He's not an engineer ...
LMAO- It is true that I'm known to advocate for being smart and taking the correct course of action. Thanks for the compliment. Although I'd like to see you quote the post where I advocate allowing hijackers to take over a plane.
NavyLCDR is known to be a pompous know it all who spends countless hours online looking up laws so he can appear to be infinitely knowledgeable to total strangers on an internet forum. He's also known to be so foolish as to leave his firearm in a glove box and then forget it there. He's also known to advocate opening fire in public places when there's absolutely no need to do so. I'm just glad that I live thousands of miles away from him so that the odds are slim that I'll ever have an encounter with such a foolish reckless person.
I mentioned holes in the aircraft skin in a previous post. The artcile posted in this thread talks about people dying from a window failure. I'm willing to bet you're the average CCW holder which means that you have nowhere near the skills needed to fire a gun in that environment.
By what means do you suppose someone might hijack an aircraft these days? They have to pass through the same security as everyone else. There are other means of intervention besides firearms. I'm not willing to take the risk of someone who's not skilled enough firing a gun in a plane.
ONLY certain people died, eh? Good news....unless you're that person
What happened on the plane that did crash into the ground in PA? Did those passengers intervene with firearms?
Again....all well and good unless you're one of the "few extra" that got shot.....
B2Tall
Stirrer of the Pot
You're trying to fix a problem that no longer exists, and in the process of doing so you'd actually be creating the problem that you want to defend yourself against! Your "cure" is infinitely worse than the disease!
The best weapon the 9/11 hijcakers (who, in case you haven't heard, didn't use guns) had at their disposal was the naivete of their victims. We are no longer that naive. If a hijacker or group of hijackers attempted to seize control of a plane with boxcutters or the like, they'd be beaten down in rather short order. And a boxcutter or small shank is about the best weapon that a potential hijacker could realistically get aboard a plane under today's security screening system. That same group armed with guns (guns that you and others have let them on the plane with) is going to be an entirely different story. Having a CCW doesn't change somebody into a saint, nor do you have to be Mother Teresa to get a permit. The only one being naive is you and your wishful thinking that it's easy as pie to identify and separate the good guys from the bad guys, to say nothing of the insane delusions that some wannabe sky marshals on this site have about being able to whip out a pistol and in the blink of an eye and take out 3 or 4 BGs without spilling their coffee (BGs that were allowed on the plane in the first place because of their utterly laughable "plan" to improve airline safety!). Yeah....let's give every nut case, radical, fanatic, and terror cell a good chance at getting aboard a plane with guns. That way we can unleash our inner Rambos instead of having to just sit there and read the airline magazine. What a great idea.
This whole thread reeks of the ego and vanity of certain people and smacks of some major league sheepdoggy-ness.
Also don't forget about the states where you don't need a permit.....
B2Tall
Stirrer of the Pot
Excellent point. Thank you.
What happened with security on the other 3 planes on 9/11? What did YOUR security measures do to prevent those? NOTHING! Because YOUR security did NOTHING, more than 2,500 people DIED. Of course, we can trust that NOW the government protects us, right?
MY security measures? ROFL
I just love reading your pathetic responses when you think you've got the upper hand. Thanks for posting. I enjoy comedy.
