Grognard Gunny
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IIRC, there was an exponential "fudge factor" in the Calculus. But, I could be mistaken, it HAS been nearly 35 years. (... and like many "things that are nice to know", if you don't use it, you lose it.)
GG
Here's you gun grab....
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IIRC, there was an exponential "fudge factor" in the Calculus. But, I could be mistaken, it HAS been nearly 35 years. (... and like many "things that are nice to know", if you don't use it, you lose it.)
GG
I support open carry and concealed carry which is why I will do both soon enough. Ill have my Glock on my belt, and my soon to be purchased Springfield XD(M) in my waistband. If a business owner or cop doesnt like my open gun, Ill put it away and keep carrying my XD. After all, if you need to carry one gun, you may as well carry 2.
P.S. Im not joking here.
Oh and the more specific relevance to this thread: If somebody stronger than me manages to steal my open carry gun from me, they will probably get a nice surprise when I pull out the XD
I couldn't agree more. I carry both ways now. Open with a retention holster on a gun belt, and concealed in a pocket holster. Before they discover a way to disarm me from my OC holster, I've already put three in their brain pan with my CC gun.
Another trick for OC is to make that gun single action. Considering the misadventure of being disarmed...those few seconds of a BG fumbling around with trying to fire that gun, maybe just enough time to pop off a round from your CC gun? I may carry open and concealed legally, but thinking like that bad guy keeps me alive! Situational awareness is what it's all about! Keep your distance,... if someone keeps advancing your safe zone, tell them to back off if you think they're persuing you for an attack. If that doesn't work, or you don't have time to say anything,....game on!
Most important of all is that you practice scenarios at your gun range. Practice practical scenarios to make your abilities work to save your life. We can talk about what if's all day...but wouldn't it be better to practice those what if's instead?
Intimidation:...(also called cowing) is intentional behavior "which would cause a person of ordinary sensibilities" fear of injury or harm.
Deter:....To prevent or discourage the occurrence of an action, as by means of fear or doubt.
NOTE* The term "deter" was used in a published newspaper article describing the use of traffic cameras in preventing traffic offenses. Was the use of this word in that article meant to describe "fear" or "doubt"?
WIKIPEDIA...
In the United States, open carry is shorthand terminology for "openly carrying a firearm in public", as distinguished from concealed carry, where firearms cannot be seen by the casual observer.
The practice of open carry, where gun owners openly carry firearms while they go about their daily business, has seen an increase in the U.S. in recent years.[1][2] This has been marked by a number of organized events intended to increase the visibility of open carry and public awareness about the practice.[3]
Proponents of open carry point to history and statistics, noting that criminals usually conceal their weapons: The 2006 FBI study "Violent Encounters: A Study of Felonious Assaults on Our Nation's Law Enforcement Officers" by Anthony Pinizzotto revealed that criminals carefully conceal their firearms, and they eschew the use of holsters.[4] Encouraged by groups like OpenCarry.org, GeorgiaCarry.org and some participants of the Free State Project, open carry has seen a revival in recent years,[5][6][7] but it is not yet clear if this represents just a short-term trend.[8][9]
The gun rights community has been mixed in its response. Alan Gottlieb of the Second Amendment Foundation and the NRA have been cautious in expressing support,[10] while special-interest groups such as the aforementioned OpenCarry.org and GeorgiaCarry.org, state-level groups such as the Texas State Rifle Association (TSRA), and certain national groups such as the Gun Owners of America (GOA) have been more outspoken in favor of the practice.
Open carry is strongly opposed by gun control groups such as the Brady Campaign and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.
Grognard Gunny
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"Open carry is strongly opposed by gun control groups such as the Brady Campaign (Camp PAIN?) and Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (I'd be a member but while their ideal is good, their approach to resolution is faulty.)"
Now WHO would have guessed those two "worthy" groups would be in opposition? DUH-UH! (LOL!)
"EEEEEEEEEKKKKK! Those "evil" guns!"
Mo' bettah: "EEEEKKK! Those anti social scum bags!"
Let's put "Blame" where it belongs. There is certainly something decidedly crazy about trying to "blame" inanimate objects for what is abberant and anti-social (uncivilized) behavior by individuals.
GG
Now WHO would have guessed those two "worthy" groups would be in opposition? DUH-UH! (LOL!)
"EEEEEEEEEKKKKK! Those "evil" guns!"
Mo' bettah: "EEEEKKK! Those anti social scum bags!"
Let's put "Blame" where it belongs. There is certainly something decidedly crazy about trying to "blame" inanimate objects for what is abberant and anti-social (uncivilized) behavior by individuals.
GG
Nightmare45
NRA LIFE MEMBER
Rich S. My personal belief is second amendment unabridged, I only open carry in AZ, to Avoid arrest in Texas I carry concealed as Texas is a concealed carry state at this time. AZ is a constitonal 2nd amendment state, only statement that I was making. Peace, Love, Colt 45.
BC1
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Always remember, the interpretation of the constituion is not based on our view but on the interpretation of the supreme court. When the court ruled on the Heller/D.C. case they noted that going back to colonial times the right to carry a gun was disallowed in many cities. This was especially true in the old west. The court determined that reasonable restrictions always existed and were not a violation of the second. Earlier this year a federal district court ruled that anyone can be denied the right to carry a firearm as this did not constitute a complete ban and therefor did not violate constitutional rights. Shall-issue states are one election away from seeing this reality if the demo-rats have a majority.
phrogmedic
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don't forget Tattedupboy's gun grab story piste 01/28/09. I'm using my iPhone can't add link. but can be found under general forum "I'm back"
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
phrogmedic:251041 said:
Was this concealed or open? I skimmed over the thread...he never referenced the method of carry. Just that it was in a level III holster, and he had level III body armor on.
Blooze
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Wow name calling? Someone hit a nerve or what?
You need to understand what comments I was replying to. There are people who believe that open carry has no self-defense value at all because they cannot understand the concept of deterrence. There are people who believe that most people (or at least many people) open carry "in your face" to get attention. The fact is the vast majority of us who open carry everyday do so for exactly the same reason that a person who carries concealed does - we do not want to be victims of a violent criminal. We simply open carry because chances are that IF the criminal sees the gun, they will simply wait two minutes for us to leave, or go down the street one block and target one of the remaining 99% of the public population who is not visibly carrying a gun. Our goal is to prevent being put in a situation where we would have to use our guns to begin with.
My comment, "Many concealed carriers are 'wild west' vigilantes with superhero complexes who hide guns hoping that a bad guy will attack them to give them an excuse to play 'quick draw' and rid the world of an evildoer." was made as a retort to the previous post that many open carriers are attention whores. My point was, "How's that for an equally ignorant statement?" both statements are equally ignorant to make.
Blooze
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Yeah I saw those comments made. I guess I'm just of the opinion that if someone is making rediculous claims like that I would rather not roll around in the mud with them. The person making said comments is obviously juvenile. No offense meant of course. I really don't get involved with these types of arguments because for some reason some people seem to think that they are the all knowing and their methods are the only valid methods. In my opinion if you are in an open carry state and are comfortable carrying like that then that is how you should carry. Carrying a pistol is about self defense but it's also about giving yourself peace of mind knowing that you are better prepared to handle trouble. So if you feel comfortable in whatever manner you carry then rock on brother it's your decision to make and screw what others think.
dbrow6272
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Now if I ever have seen a "teen" case that should be tried as adults this is it. Put them where they cannot harm another soul, in the ground. "They have never been in trouble together before" WHAT? Who cares if they have never been caught together before they were still together and murdered innocent people. Keep your weapon hidden so some street punk doesn't see it and you then can be the suprise.
CathyInBlue
Tool Maker
"Toby Smith Jr. is accused of stealing Blaine Tyler's gun inside a gas station last week and fatally shooting him after Tyler chased Smith inside the store."
Who chased who where again? That said the gun owner and decedent (Tyler) chased the murderer (Smith) inside a gas station. It said "inside" not "into" so I have to assume, using my 5th grade reading for comprehension skills, that the two parties appeared inside the gas station Quik-E-Mart wannabe independent of one another and that hyjinks ensued from there.
Who chased who where again? That said the gun owner and decedent (Tyler) chased the murderer (Smith) inside a gas station. It said "inside" not "into" so I have to assume, using my 5th grade reading for comprehension skills, that the two parties appeared inside the gas station Quik-E-Mart wannabe independent of one another and that hyjinks ensued from there.
ctpistolteacher
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I think the element of surprise argument is that if BG sees your gun he will be more apt to position himself to prevent you from using it (assuming he has already decided to attack you or someone else), whereas he will take no such similar action if he is unaware that you are carrying.
I can see both sides of the argument, but living in the Northeast, CC is the clear winner.
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
ctpistolteacher:256550 said:
I believe if a bad guy sees an armed person and still decides to attack them, concealing a firearm would do you no good either. The kind of criminal not deterred by a firearm is trouble for either kind of carrier. The criminal that is deterred is only trouble for the unarmed or concealed carriers.
Very well said!
chieftmc
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Hmmm. How about this for a strategy?: carry concealed as usual, but also display openly a nonfunctioning pistol in a holster. Of course, this won't satisfy those who like their carrying to remain secret, but it does address the "bad guy grabs my gun" problem (and gains some of the benefits of open carry). Just a thought.
